The commercial success of iMIEV versus Tesla is demonstrative that Tesla's was much better route to jump starting the paradigm. Why are you so bothered that someone makes a lot of money? It takes people who can raise and spend well to make the first world we all enjoy so much.
I do like the iMIEV, and it would be much more the sort of car I woulf buy, but I never have actually seen one. I am curious if you are also exersized at J B Straubel? Tesla needed his efforts to succeed and J B made some scratch too. On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 5:17 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 19 Dec 2022 at 20:44, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > > If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else > > surely would have. But it might have been several years later and might > > have been to weak the first time around to not be squashed by the ICE > > industry. > > "Someone else" was already advancing the production EV movement by the > time > the model S arrived. The Mitsubishi Imiev and Nissan Leaf were ahead of > it, > and IIRC the Renault Zoe (not offered in the US) launched at around the > same > time. > > Tesla certainly had some innovations that those EVs didn't have. Some were > substantial, but many were just luxury gadgets. > > Tesla's primary "innovation" was making an EV that appealed to rich folks, > especially celebrity greens awash in excess cash. Those gadgets and > gimmicks were part of the appeal. > > That was easy for Musk to push, because he was already then such an > obscenely rich person. > > To this day, Teslas are based not on what research shows the average > driver > needs, but on what appeals to Elon Musk. If you don't like what he likes, > tough luck. > > That's why I think that despite strong (but declining) Tesla sales, > Renault, > Stellantis, and VW will eventually clean Tesla's clock in Europe. They > actually build EVs for normal people - and normal, middle-income > Europoeans > are buying them. And despite what all y'all may think, I'm still > convinced > that the future success of EVs is mostly in the EU and China, not here in > the US. > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > A good question is never answered. It is not a bolt to be > tightened into place but a seed to be planted and to bear > more seed toward the hope of greening the landscape of ideas. > > -- John Ciardi > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221219/ecaf0775/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
