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Just some links on this because it's not going well. (predictably) https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/technical-issues-force-withdrawal-of-alstom-hydrogen-trains/ https://www.railwaygazette.com/traction-and-rolling-stock/diesel-trains-to-temporarily-replace-hydrogen-on-germanys-taunus-network-in-202

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Peri wrote: >I think the possibilities, here, are fantastic. Any pundits ? How could >something like this actually happen ? Well I think first is to get a good ideal of the overall design and logistics and see it's workable.  Here's an interesting place that sells lots of different undercarriag

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t this way" is the sacred motto of Big Business. Lee -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to detail! -- Lee Hart -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com -Original Message- From: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Nov 19, 2024 5:

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5:44 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Lawrence Winiarski , Lawrence Rhodes Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains As I was describing the energy use, It takes a heck of a lot more energy for a train to get up the mountains than it does to go on the flats, and then the otherthing is you could in theory p

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As I was describing the energy use, It takes a heck of a lot more energy for a train to get up the mountains than it does to go on the flats, and then the otherthing is you could in theory provide a lot of energy when you are going downhill. Perhaps if you wanted to have a fully electric locomot

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ST, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Notes below Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Winiarski" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Peri Hartman" Sent: 18-Nov-24 0

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I think batteries would only be needed to pass stalled vehicles or sections of track without power. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ___

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Notes below Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Winiarski" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Peri Hartman" Sent: 18-Nov-24 02:01:15 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrog

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>> Design trucks and trailers with hydraulic drop-down rail "trucks" (wheel >> sets). Or just the trailers, perhaps. (note, sorry about the long reply, I just was doing the numbers and thought I'd share some) Yep...I think for sure just the trailers.    I am thinking something like a "smart"

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Re-sending as it appears this did not go through... --- It also should be noted that train electrification does not require building a third rail or catenary along entire routes. It can be handled with electrified sections being placed at convenient intervals to allow for fast charging while

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Message: 9 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2024 08:05:50 + From: "Peri Hartman" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Well, your comparison is kind of

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tle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Winiarski via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lawrence Winiarski" Sent: 17-Nov-24 00:53:44 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains That's great! I remember the Kingston Trio '

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That's great!   I remember the Kingston Trio 'MTA' song and now I've got new words! On the idea of cordless trains, I'm going to throw out a crazy conglomeration of 1/2 baked ideas. Suppose you think of the best qualities of trains.a) drives on a steel trackb) has low gradesc) restricted air re

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> Well, your comparison is kind of unfair. I'd have a corded car if it were > stationary. Here's a story about a man who never needed to recharge his EV. :-) https://sunrise-ev.com/poems/nocharge.htm -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James But it *does* require attention to det

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Lawrence Rhodes" Sent: 15-Nov-24 10:22:22 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen trains Green Hydrogen should be produced with excess renewables for industrial use, steel is a big one. Not for transportation. With battery advances, flight will come. Trains should only be powered by overhead lines

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Green Hydrogen should be produced with excess renewables for industrial use, steel is a big one. Not for transportation. With battery advances, flight will come. Trains should only be powered by overhead lines or third rail. Batteries if those two are not possible for some environmental or tech

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In fairness, my guess is that the people "in the know" aren't really expecting to replace diesel locomotives with fuel cells, rather this is more of a one-time deal to keep some R&D guys employed and end-up with something shiny to show for  it.   It's more of a CEO vanity project so he gets to p

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Peri, Look at who wants to keep the distribution network (and the money flowing) and it is very likely that big Oil likes to see the consumption of fossil fuels increase due to the inefficient production of H2, *as well as* keeping the distribution of fuels in hand. NOTE that EVs do not need the li

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Hydrogen only makes sense where the weight of batteries might be a problem, such as Aviation or maybe long-haul trucking. It's really dumb otherwise, you're just throwing away half the power for no good reason! (on a good day!) On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 5:41 PM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Who's

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I think the key news from Caltrain was back in August. https://www.caltrain.com/news/caltrain-welcomes-first-passengers-new-electric-trains As I understand it, the same funding package that is still trying to put a hydrogen train into existence, has already put 9 battery electric trains into r

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I will not disagree that hydrogen fuel cells could be the worst possible economic choice to power a train. Aside from political subsidy, there is no motivation whatsoever to use hydrogen fuel. Having said that, the hydrogen used for transportation is not derived from electricity. It is made fr

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Who's behind it ? Who was behind the push to have hydrogen fueling stations all over calif ? Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" Sent: 1