Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-22 Thread Jim Bacher, WB8VSU
n to keep Part 15 subpart B in title 47? Ralph -Original Message- From: Ken Wyatt Sent: November 21, 2024 4:41 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B Not to mention digital TV has error correction, making it much less susceptible to EMI. Even

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-22 Thread Sykes, Bob
G Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B And some of us still have outdoor antennas 😉 Brent DeWitt, AB1LF On 11/21/2024 6: 19 PM, doug emcesd. com wrote: Hi Brent and the group, This brings back a lot of memories. When I was at AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories, back when d

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-22 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Given what has been discussed here, is there a reason to keep Part 15 subpart B in title 47? Ralph -Original Message- From: Ken Wyatt Sent: November 21, 2024 4:41 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B Not to mention digital TV has error

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-21 Thread Ken Wyatt
Not to mention digital TV has error correction, making it much less susceptible to EMI. Even OTA and satellite transmissions shouldn’t be affected. Kenneth Wyatt Windsor, CO > On Nov 21, 2024, at 16:20, doug emcesd.com wrote: > > Although today interference to broadcast TV is not the problem

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-21 Thread Brent DeWitt
s of miles per year currently. Doug *From:*Brent DeWitt *Sent:* Saturday, November 9, 2024 20:07 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B This is probably a bit of urban legend, but back in the 1970s, the first exposure I got to commercial EMC was with res

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-21 Thread doug emcesd.com
S0CwE-gN8fsRsPkojiAlmpBwb20vIVizS-siCUywW_jqrefbVr] From: Jim Bacher, WB8VSU Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2024 5:43 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B One of the issues that pushed the FCC forward was significant interference with police and fire communications d

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-21 Thread doug emcesd.com
MeCe-BDC_BscJtSFgszSSjssihHS-pjM3-jwNP8S0CwE-gN8fsRsPkojiAlmpBwb20vIVizS-siCUywW_jqrefbVr] From: Brent DeWitt Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2024 20:07 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B This is probably a bit of urban legend, but back in the 1970s, the first expo

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-11 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Thanks for that Bob. From: Sykes, Bob Sent: November 11, 2024 2:26 PM To: rmm.priv...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B The FCC IS involved in a lot more than licensing broadcast facilities and protecting the radio

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-11 Thread Sykes, Bob
airman/Chairwoman. Bob Sykes (old enough to remember when FCC started regulating digital devices via docket 20780) From: Ralph McDiarmid Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2024 1:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B As a sidebar to this discuss

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-11 Thread James Hulbert
But it was pretty neat to watch the VU meters “peg” when cranking up the power amplifiers on our stereo systems. Jim From: Ralph McDiarmid Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2024 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B This message is from

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
The VU indicator is not fast enough even to be a 'quasi-peak' indicator, so it misses signal peaks that would overload a disc-cutter or its disc, or a magnetic tape. Professional recorder people learn how to overcome that, but few consumers learn, of course. The PPM was specifically designed to

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-10 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
From: Brent DeWitt Sent: November 10, 2024 5:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B Again, I speak from urban legend: My understanding is that the Quasi-Peak detector was based on the "VU meter", common to audio recording, The i

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-10 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Executive branch may be involved to oversee that collection of administrative laws. Maybe someone on this forum can clarify. Ralph From: Brent DeWitt Sent: November 9, 2024 8:07 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B This is probabl

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-10 Thread Brent DeWitt
Again, I speak from urban legend: My understanding is that the Quasi-Peak detector was based on the "VU meter", common to audio recording, The idea was to approximate the the _perceived _loudness to the human ear. For those haven't seen one, the VU meter is also a fast attack, slow release dev

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-10 Thread Jim Bacher, WB8VSU
One of the issues that pushed the FCC forward was significant interference with police and fire communications during emergency events in Los Vegas. The interterence was due to the the new computer driven gaming machines. That in the late 1970s. I was told Quasi Peak is used, due to video nois

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-09 Thread Brent DeWitt
)" *Reply-To: *"James Pawson (U3C)" *Date: *Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 10:19 AM *To: * *Subject: *[PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B Hello all, I’m writing some guidance on Class A vs Class B and I was thinking about the Why. As in why do we separate emissions into Class A an

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-09 Thread John Woodgate
)" *Date: *Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 10:19 AM *To: * *Subject: *[PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B Hello all, I’m writing some guidance on Class A vs Class B and I was thinking about the Why. As in why do we separate emissions into Class A and B? Reasons I’ve heard (which make some kind

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-09 Thread Ken Javor
might share the same or a close-by branch circuit. -- Ken Javor Ph: (256) 650-5261 From: "James Pawson (U3C)" Reply-To: "James Pawson (U3C)" Date: Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 10:19 AM To: Subject: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B Hello all,

Re: [PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-09 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 61000-2-5 was compiled from historical sources, so is reliable. Regarding point a., there was an assumption that broadcast receivers would be uncommon in the industrial environment. Note also that, because of European language differences, 'industrial' in the context of 'Classes A and B' me

[PSES] Emissions Class A vs Class B

2024-11-09 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hello all, I'm writing some guidance on Class A vs Class B and I was thinking about the Why. As in why do we separate emissions into Class A and B? Reasons I've heard (which make some kind of sense even if I've not actually looked into the figures) include: a. Concentration of elec