[DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wang-dnsop-cachesurvey-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Wang Wei
Hi all, Enlightened by Workshop on DNS Future Root Service Architecture in Hongkong, Dec,2014, we submitted a draft about the DNS cache survey in China. We hope the survey results may provide some useful information to better understand the current cache service model. https://tools.ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] Definitions of foo-centric

2015-02-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Edward Lewis writes: > > On 2/24/15, 17:47, "Mark Andrews" wrote: > > > >delegation-centric - a zone which consists mostly of delegations to child > >zones. > >the root zone and the com zone are examples of delegation-centric zones. > > Not arguing, but to raise a point - my response

Re: [DNSOP] Definitions of foo-centric

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
On 2/24/15, 17:47, "Mark Andrews" wrote: > >delegation-centric - a zone which consists mostly of delegations to child >zones. >the root zone and the com zone are examples of delegation-centric zones. Not arguing, but to raise a point - my response was “all” and Mark’s is “most.” There’s a subtly

Re: [DNSOP] Definitions of foo-centric

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
Delegation centric - for all labels below the apex, each owns an NS set. (I.e., each is a cut point.) I’ve never heard the other terms, have no idea what they’d mean (out of context). On 2/24/15, 17:21, "Paul Hoffman" wrote: >Greetings again. People have asked us to define "delegation-centric",

Re: [DNSOP] Definitions of foo-centric

2015-02-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Paul Hoffman writes: > Greetings again. People have asked us to define "delegation-centric", > "child-cent > ric", and "parent-centric" for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology. None of them > are de > fined in RFCs, even though "delegation-centric" appears in RFCs 4956, 5155, > and 7 > 1

[DNSOP] Definitions of foo-centric

2015-02-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
Greetings again. People have asked us to define "delegation-centric", "child-centric", and "parent-centric" for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology. None of them are defined in RFCs, even though "delegation-centric" appears in RFCs 4956, 5155, and 7129. The terms are used in various places, so they se

Re: [DNSOP] revisiting outstanding dicusses for 6304bis

2015-02-24 Thread Kathleen Moriarty
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:06:06PM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > Should we consider recommendations with respect to treatment of logging > or storage of queries or the extent to which such queries should be > protected? > > > > IMO, No.

Re: [DNSOP] revisiting outstanding dicusses for 6304bis

2015-02-24 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/24/15 12:28 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:06:06PM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> Should we consider recommendations with respect to treatment of logging or >> storage of queries or the extent to which such queries should be protected? >> > > IMO, No. The text as it

Re: [DNSOP] revisiting outstanding dicusses for 6304bis

2015-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:06:06PM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Should we consider recommendations with respect to treatment of logging or > storage of queries or the extent to which such queries should be protected? > IMO, No. The text as it stands says, "This could result in logs." There are

Re: [DNSOP] revisiting outstanding dicusses for 6304bis

2015-02-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Working group, I would direct your attention to the current discuss, here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc6304bis/ballot/ Should we consider recommendations with respect to treatment of logging or storage of queries or the extent to which such queries should be protected?

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <49dee35910f1a6438e9805f4debba3070aee3...@038-ch1mpn1-042.038d.mgd.msft. net>, "Darcy Kevin (FCA)" writes: > "Asynchronous" makes no sense to me. In what way is an AXFR "asynchronous"? > > "Authoritative transfer"? As opposed to what? Non-authoritative transfer? > "Author > itative"

Re: [DNSOP] New version of the DNS terminology draft

2015-02-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Declan Ma wrote: > As for 'DNS Servers', I think we should set aside space for 'Cache-only DNS > Server' which is pervasive in all kinds of DNS document. Can you clarify what you think a "cache-only DNS server" is? I'm not seeing how a server can be cache-only with

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
On 2/24/15, 12:07, "Shumon Huque" wrote: > I thought that was clear > from my earlier paragraph that you didn't quote Proves that I only read what I want to read. ;) I didn’t think you seriously wanted to borrow the shovel. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature _

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Shumon Huque
> Or should A in AXFR be something else, like "Absolute", or "All" or > "All-Data" which might more correctly differentiate it from "Incremental". > > > Seriously - in operations land, "what you call something" isn’t as important as the term’s definition being clear and common. > I agree,

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
On 2/24/15, 11:33, "Shumon Huque" wrote: > Hmm, does this imply that IXFR is a transfer of data that it not > authoritative? :-) Or does it need to be renamed to IAXFR. I have a shovel out back, want to borrow it? > Or should A in AXFR be something else, like "Absolute", or "All" or > "All-Data"

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Shumon Huque
Paul Vixie: > > however, AXFR was never an acronym, and there is no original meaning > to be discovered here. in [RFC1035 3.2.3] there is one line of text: > > > AXFR252 A request for a transfer of an entire zone > > > and it's the definition of the QTYPE, not the overall transaction th

Re: [DNSOP] Is there a concise and comprehensive definition of a "zone file"?

2015-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 03:08:56PM +, Edward Lewis wrote: > Okay, before getting too silly on this, IDNA is a convention for > representing identifiers in non-ascii/latin scripts into DNS labels, for > the purpose of restricting what can be registered to prevent confusion. I think that missta

Re: [DNSOP] Is there a concise and comprehensive definition of a "zone file"?

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
On 2/23/15, 2:52, "Patrik Fältström" wrote: > >> On 22 feb 2015, at 20:58, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> >> As for Måns original question: converting wire-format IDNA to some >>encoding of Unicode characters is unstable because some registries use >>IDNA2003 rules, others use IDNA2008 rules, and some

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
Sorry, I was reading the mail list asynchronously and found this after I sent my note on 5936. ;) On 2/23/15, 10:09, "Paul Hoffman" wrote: >The relevant RFC, 5936, says that the mnemonic means "Authoritative >Transfer", both in the abstract and introduction. > >--Paul Hoffman >_

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-00.txt

2015-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
And there’s http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5936.txt. It has "Authoritative Transfer (AXFR)” in the abstract. “Asynchronous" does not appear in that RFC. (In the “not that it matters, but” file: When we had singly threaded name servers, AXFR wasn’t very asynchronous in practice.) (Sorry, I can