Re: [Dng] apt-get update error

Hi, a temporary workaround would be: apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update Or, in case you prefer aptitude: aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update [And hello to the list from me, too! :) Been lurking here for a while. Please keep up the good work at Devuan, look

Re: [Dng] apt-get update error

ve source of the problem? I read that is repository problem. > > > Paweł > > On 25/04/15 15:19, Irrwahn wrote: >> Hi, >> >> a temporary workaround would be: >>apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update >> >> Or, in case you prefer

[Dng] udev: File hwdb.bin is always being reported to be missing

[ Ref. git.devuan.org/jaretcantu/eudev/issues/2 ] Hello Jaret, since I cannot comment on git.devuan.org I'll try here instead. I believe udev is complaining about the missing hwdb.bin file, because it is not present in the _initramfs_. Thus, a simple udevadm hwdb --update won't suffice, you'd

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

KatolaZ wrote on 19.05.2015 12:55: > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:42:43PM +0200, Anto wrote: > [cut] >> I have never used Slackware but that is similar problem as I have >> experienced since last year with Debian wheezy. I think the main >> problem is that, a lot of upstream packages and their maint

Re: [Dng] Devuan merged repository does not work today

Anto wrote on 19.05.2015 13:43: > There is something wrong on Devuan merged repository today. Or is the > update still in progress so I just need to wait longer? > W: Conflicting distribution: http://packages.devuan.org jessie Release > (expected jessie but got ) > W: Failed to fetch > http:

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

Anto wrote on 19.05.2015 14:43: > > On 19/05/15 14:00, Irrwahn wrote: >> Just to be clear: Personally, I follow and use Devuan because I prefer >> to maintain my installations [as] free [as possible] of any systemd >> components, but calling "stupid" the fact th

[Dng] systemd, sysvinit and util-linux

Hello list, just FYI: Debian/testing has just updated the sysvinit packages (initscripts, sysv-rc, sysvinit-core, sysvinit-utils) from 2.88dsf-59 to 2.88dsf-59.1. This introduces a dependency on mount (>= 2.26.2-3). Whereas the the sysvinit packages in Devuan/testing are still being merged f

Re: [Dng] The more things change, the more they remain the same

Steve Litt wrote on 24.05.2015 00:17: > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/politics_of_dependencies.htm Thanks for the read. Now, if only we could burn the last paragraph of the article in the retinas of certain "developers". Cheers, Urban ___ Dng mailin

Re: [Dng] The more things change, the more they remain the same

Laurent Bercot wrote on 27.05.2015 17:15: > On 27/05/2015 16:49, Didier Kryn wrote: >> I am slowly trying to assemble a minimal Linux development >> environment and the number of tools you need to just compile a C >> program is unbelievable. Clearly, the majority of developpers don't >> care about

Re: [Dng] Announcing i386 netboot iso for Devuan (Alpha 2)

Martial Bornet wrote on 02.06.2015 18:17: > Thanks to all of you, guys ! > I've installed it in a VM, I saw no problem while installing. > But do you plan to get rid of libpam-systemd and libsystemd0 as well ? None of the systemd packages are required in a finished base system install, I was able

Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

Isaac Dunham wrote on 03.06.2015 03:40: > However, I'm wondering about something that's tangentially related but > perhaps not part of the same code: > Does anyone know what it takes to make Aptitude support downloading > changelogs from non-Debian packages? Unfortunately, aptitude will have to

Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

Irrwahn wrote on 03.06.2015 07:51: > > Isaac Dunham wrote on 03.06.2015 03:40: >> However, I'm wondering about something that's tangentially related but >> perhaps not part of the same code: >> Does anyone know what it takes to make Aptitude support download

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

+1 for making this an option in the installer, deselected by default. I like the idea of having a means to explicitly opt-in for non-free firmware at install time for convenience, but not such firmware being forced into the installation. The freedom of choice thingy, revisited. Cheers, Urban

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

Daniel Reurich wrote on 04.06.2015 03:29: > I agree in principle about using strictly free/libre open source > software, and where I have the choice I personaly will select hardware > that aligns with those principles. > > However, I would not want my choices to become the tool that would > p

Re: [Dng] upgrade problem

fsmithred wrote on 07.06.2015 15:13: > I tried to do a dist-upgrade or full-upgrade on devuan today, and I'm > running into a problem: > > bsdutils : Breaks: bash-completion (< 1:2.1-4.1~) but 1:2.1-4 is installed. > util-linux : Breaks: bash-completion (< 1:2.1-4.1~) but 1:2.1-4 is installed. >

Re: [Dng] upgrade problem

David Hare wrote on 08.06.2015 15:16: > On 08/06/15 13:58, David Hare wrote: >> >>> I removed bash-completion and then installed it again from devuan/jessie >>> and got this error: >>> >>> Preparing to unpack .../bash-completion_1%3a2.1-4.1+devuan1_all.deb ... >>> Unpacking bash-completion (1:2.1-4

Re: [Dng] Systemd sneaks in was file download zone

fsmithred wrote on 12.06.2015 14:40: > > Not the OP here, and not exactly what you're asking, but here's what I did > yesterday: > > Installed devuan-alpha2-amd64 netinstall iso in virtualbox. At tasksel, I > un-checked Print Server and Devuan Desktop Environment, and I checked > XFCE. All seemed

Re: [Dng] Systemd sneaks in was file download zone

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:54:06 -0400, Fsmithred wrote: > On 06/12/2015 09:33 AM, Irrwahn wrote: >> - Make sure you're using sysvinit-core as init system, and slim or lightdm >> as >> your display manager. >> >> - Purge everything *systemd*! However

Re: [Dng] A nice candidate substitute to network-manager

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:30:58 +0200, Anto wrote: > On 12/06/15 12:50, Marlon Nunes wrote: >> Hi, i've been testing connman for a while and found it to handle very >> well my network connections. >> >> https://01.org/connman >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Connman >> >> In my view, we can fo

Re: [Dng] Systemd sneaks in was file download zone

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:15:25 -0400, Fsmithred wrote: > On 06/12/2015 10:45 AM, Irrwahn wrote: >> FWIW, I've got three Devuan installations running: jessie VM, ascii VM, >> ascii on real hardware. In all of them I was able to get everything >> (including shutdown et. a

Re: [Dng] task-xfce-desktop, task-mate-desktop task-lxde-desktop proposed changes.

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:38:29 +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > I'm currently looking at patching the desktop tasks in taskselect to use > slim instead of lightdm (atleast until lightdm has been cleaned up to > not depend on systemd). Slim should work fine as the default display manager. Although I

Re: [DNG] libpam-systemd

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:15:35 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Is libpam-systemd needed by devuan? Because that's the only package > I have installed that would be broken by removing systemd itself. > > Since it appears to have something do do with authentication, I'm > concerned that I may not be a

Re: [DNG] xfce not shutting down on Devuan

dress the problem, I guess as a distro we should fix the root > cause (whatever it is), not patch around it. Seconded, especially since AFAICT the issue has already been addressed. Proof is I'm running Devuan ascii and jessie installations (metal and

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

s the terminating null character to be part of the string, whereas the original code does not. (Not that it would matter yet, given how the function is currently used in the context of the original code, but it's the kind of thing that tends to bite later on.) -- Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

'm not sure how the dash (minus) ended up in the allowed character set, as this would allow for names starting with '-', which is not something I would consider good style, but other's mileages may vary. As mentioned above: if the

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:24:01 +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Irrwahn writes: >> It is totally sensible to break down the character set to something that >> is more or less guaranteed to be valid for building names in any file >> system currently in use on this planet. &g

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

x27;\0's, as the frontend uses iwlist and grep(!) to acquire the SSID, this would leave us with just the '/' to encode. The most "evil" thing we'd had to expect would be "". Thinking about it, one can even do away with all

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

was just fine, and can greatly improved upon, since there is one, and only one, use case for this whole encoding/escaping thing: constructing filenames for storing interface files. Thus, we need only a single function constructing valid path names, and that's it! I hope to be able to sh

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

le upon doing a quick internet search contains this snippet, or anything remotely like it. Care to share with us, where this originates? Or give a little more context, particularly how isescape is set? Thanks -- Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:20:20 +0200 (CEST), Karl wrote: > Irrwahn: >> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:24:17 +0200 (CEST), Karl wrote: >>> Tilt!: >>>> i wonder if we ever get to see such SSIDs from iwlist anyway - >>>> how is it supposed to print SSIDs that contain

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 21:16:08 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 25/08/2015, Irrwahn wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:20:20 +0200 (CEST), Karl wrote: >>> Irrwahn: >>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:24:17 +0200 (CEST), Karl wrote: >>>>> Tilt!: >>>>

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

configurable. Or, even better, you could easily pass the IF name as an additional parameter to the backend (and possily even use it as additional component to construct the interface file names). -- Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

daemon run at boot time? As such, > why not run it as root, given that wpa_supplicant requires root > privileges? As it is now it is build as a one-shot executable run each time an action is required. I thought that was intentional. Shouldn't be a big deal t

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

Assuming you are in the backend_src directory of the project: # git add src/backend.c src/core_functions.c include/core_functions.h # git commit -m "my fancy commit message" (Hope I got the subdirectory names right, did this without actually checking.) -- Irrwahn On Fri, 28 Aug 201

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

reference in C, has never been, and will presumably never be. Heck, the C standard doesn't mention the concept at all, not even in a non-normative foot note! HTH, HAND Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

[top posting fixed] On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:31:08 +0100, Aitor Czr wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:04 AM, Irrwahn wrote: >> If you want an overall introductory book to C, get >> K&R2, written by someone who understood C, if only >> because he invented the lan

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

he other books I found in shops, on the web, or on coworker's shelves regularly sent shivers down my spine after flipping through just a few pages. It is almost unbelievable how much misinformation can be spread about a conceptually very clear language like C. A sharp tool requires sharp pe

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

[top-posting fixed] On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:59:05 +0100, Aitor Czr wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:04 AM, Irrwahn wrote: >> Ugh, this explains a lot! Books by Herbert Schildt >> are, sit venia verbo, the most useless utter crap >> you can get. The only thing this book docum

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

[top-posting fixed] On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:25:00 +0100, Aitor Czr wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:04 AM, Irrwahn wrote: >> Ceterum censeo: There is no pass by reference in C, >> has never been, and will presumably never be. Heck, >> the C standard doesn't mention the concep

Re: [DNG] Question about the merged repos

e impression that a lot of the breakage was due to mismatches between those two. Just my 2 hundredth of your favorite currency. Best regards Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Question about the merged repos

[Sorry, Golinux, replied to you directly by accident, post was intended to go to the list.] On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:53:39 + (UTC), Go Linux wrote: > On Mon, 1/4/16, Irrwahn wrote: >> How do you receive updates and security fixes? > > I generally don't. 'If it works,

Re: [DNG] Question about the merged repos

On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 01:22:01 +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > On 05/01/16 00:31, Irrwahn wrote: [ About mixing packages from Debian and Deb-Multimedia. ] [...] > If you only used audio from dmo it was generally ok, but they do not cover a > lot > of audio needs. I guess I have just bee

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:06:08 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Didier Kryn writes: > > [...] > I've read, from a guy who followed the story,that it was originally split because the first disk was too small. > > [...] > >> Good find Rainer. But I don't fully understand what

Re: [DNG] netman-gtk3: invalid pointer error

en you tried to free something that was not a pointer value returned by any of the *alloc() functions: > // free(cad2); > // free(res); [...] As I said, I didn't try to guess the intention - if you want to work in-place an the string or if you're actually looking for strcpy(). HTH,

Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts

tscripts (< 2.88dsf-59.3~)", which is built from the sysvinit source package. So, for Devuan testing/ascii we would need an update here, sooner or later. Regards Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:34:01 +0100, Richard Lucassen wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:03:41 +0100 > Irrwahn wrote: [...] >> And, as Fred reported, it indeed declares a "Breaks: initscripts >> (< 2.88dsf-59.3~)", which is built from the sysvinit source package. >

Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote: >> Hughe Chung escribió: [...] >>> $ grep tesselate dome_math.c >>> Binary file dome_math.c matches [...] >> If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not >> corr

Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:29:41 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote: >>>> Hughe Chung escribió: &

Re: [DNG] Beta

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:26:06 +0800, Robert Storey wrote: >> >> Yes! Thank you! It's good to see devuan.org now goes to >> beta.devuan.org . >> Good stuff. > > Sadly, all I'm getting is this message: > > "This webpage is not available" Due to excessiv

Re: [DNG] dist upgrade from alpha4 to beta

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 06:53:29 -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > I just installed alpha4, unfortunately just hours before beta became > available. Naturally I want to upgrade from alpha to beta. > > In my alpha 4 sources.list I have: > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main non-free contr

Re: [DNG] Beta

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:13:51 +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > "This webpage is not available" > > Is anyone else seeing this? I'm in Taiwan, but that shouldn't matter. It > occurred to me that maybe I should provide more details. > > DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN > ReloadHide details > The server at

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Beta Live Minimal -- UPDATE

On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:28:24 +0100, Katolaz wrote: > Dear Devuaners, > > I have worked a bit more on the unofficial minimal images of Devuan > Beta. I have tried to incorporate all the comments I received, except > those which would have resulted in a substantial increase of the > image footprint.

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Beta Live Minimal -- UPDATE

h an iso that just > has the boot menu. It's a much faster way to test. (Or, you could just > shorten the menu entries.) > > -fsr (aka .fsr) > > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Irrwahn <mailto:irrw...@freenet.de>> wrote: > > On Fri, 13 May 20

Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release

On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:13:28 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Finally i succeeded in installing devuan to this odd samsung ultrabook > (it's nice but beeing amd based it's getting crazily hot with the > standard free video drivers) and now i have some questions: > > Is there a place where to ask "dumb" qu

Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release

On Sat, 14 May 2016 13:20:52 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Sat, 14 May 2016 05:28:42 + > schrieb Irrwahn >> Sounds reasonable to mention the default desktop flavor. It >> really doesn't already? (I didn't pay attention last time I >> installed.) > >

Re: [DNG] zram init

On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:39:23 +0200, Emninger wrote: > In the repositories i do not find a zram-init script? Is there any > problem with (for devuan)? I see it runs in tinycore (which not even > knows what systemd is ;) ). > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@li

Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release

On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:18:56 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Sat, 14 May 2016 12:00:02 + > schrieb ". fsmithred" : >> DO NOT run any kind of upgrade (apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade, or >> aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade) while the backports repo is >> enabled. > > Thanks a lot for this exp

Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release

On Sun, 15 May 2016 00:46:05 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > >> Short list of Devuan repository URLs: >> ## testing (ascii) >> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged testing main contrib non-free >> deb-

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83

On Sun, 15 May 2016 15:39:03 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Sun, 15 May 2016 12:00:01 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > [...] > >> As I already mentioned in an earlier message, I need the >> non-free catalyst fglrx driver, which for reasons beyond my >> knowledge is curr

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83

the threading in DNG badly borked as of lately for other readers too? > On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Irrwahn <mailto:irrw...@freenet.de>> wrote: > > On Sun, 15 May 2016 15:39:03 +0200, Emninger wrote: > > Am Sun, 15 May 2016 12:00:

Re: [DNG] about fglrx (especially to Irrwahn)

On Tue, 17 May 2016 21:37:13 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Hi. Indeed upgrading my system in some way i lost fglrx, and now, when > i try to reinstall it from the repositories i'm getting that there is > no fglrx driver. When i reactivate the Jessie repositories, the driver > is there but when i try to

Re: [DNG] about fglrx (especially to Irrwahn)

On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:22:25 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Wed, 18 May 2016 03:54:05 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > > [ . . . ] > >> The virtual package xorg-video-abi 18 is provided by xserver- >> xorg-core version 1.16 from Jessie (currently that's 2:1.16.4-1, >

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:24:23 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [about booting a system after Debian\Sid to Devuan\Ceres transition] > ..now having thrown out all the systemd crud I see mentioned here at > DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only accept > root's passwd on the conso

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

On Wed, 18 May 2016 22:31:00 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:23:27 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message > <48e882e7-9b75-2bb5-769f-a93c4126e...@freenet.de>: >> However, with all due respect, just wiping the thing >> and doing a genuine Devuan inst

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Wed, 18 May 2016 14:13:31 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi, > > Having handled many of the issues relating to init system > to the point of being able to release Devuan jessie beta, > I wonder if Devuan community is ready to support action on > other scourges of the linux on personal computer ecosy

Re: [DNG] JWM: was Some questions re the devuan release

On Sun, 15 May 2016 09:39:29 +1000, Ozi Traveller wrote: > I agree, and I think JWM in out of date, as the version of the source from > the developer's site is much later. The version of JWM in Debian Sid (and thus in Devuan Ceres) is 2.3.5, which is the current release. Cf. http://joewing.net/p

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Thu, 19 May 2016 14:19:50 +0200, Emninger wrote: > [ . . . ] > >>> 2) Terminate X via Ctrl-Alt-Backspace > For me that's useful, especially since often the logout tools do not > work like expected (in my limited experience). > > I notice, that key combination does not work by default in

Re: [DNG] JWM: was Some questions re the devuan release

On Thu, 19 May 2016 11:32:47 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2016 10:01:27 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: > >> On Sun, 15 May 2016 09:39:29 +1000, Ozi Traveller wrote: >>> I agree, and I think JWM in out of date, as the version of the >>> source from t

Re: [DNG] JWM: was Some questions re the devuan release

On Thu, 19 May 2016 17:48:33 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > Looking at the source package I cannot see a single > invasive patch WRT to the original source. Correction: I missed a patch when skimming over the package contents. I can see now what you meant by "Debianisms"

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:03:57 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I would love a wayy to diable CAPSLOCK entirely. The few times I > actually need it I can hold the shift key down, but turing caps lock on > is a cocmmon typo for 'a'. It I'm in mutt (as I am now) that has > serious consequences. You

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:22:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2016 14:13:31 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: >> 2) Terminate X via Ctrl-Alt-Backspace >> >>Seems like an easy, useful, historic way to kill a malfunctioning >> X. > > Yeah, I remember fondly the days when this worked. Someone

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:37:54 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 06:18:17PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: >> On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:03:57 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> >>> I would love a wayy to diable CAPSLOCK entirely. The few times I >>> actually

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:35:54 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:37:54 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > <20160519163754.ga12...@topoi.pooq.com>: > >> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 06:18:17PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: >>> On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:03:57 -0400, H

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:57:26 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > [1] See man xkeyboard-config for a full list of available > options. Beware, it's huge! Or have a look at /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyn

Re: [DNG] JWM: was Some questions re the devuan release

oaching beta2) it is far too late to introduce non-bugfix changes, I assume. Best regards Urban > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:03 AM, Irrwahn <mailto:irrw...@freenet.de>> wrote: > > On Thu, 19 May 2016 17:48:33 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > > >

Re: [DNG] JWM: was Some questions re the devuan release

On Fri, 20 May 2016 15:40:59 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 20 May 2016 09:26:38 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: > >> On Fri, 20 May 2016 08:04:07 +1000, Ozi Traveller wrote: >>> +1 >>> >>> As a jwm user I would really like to see it brought up to date.

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) > needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? Does it? I was unable to locate any dependencies in lxde or xpdf that might form such a mutual exclusion. What was the actu

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

On Sun, 22 May 2016 18:41:32 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 22/05/2016 18:13, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> I am certain almost nobody would object to that proposal. >> But it would need a notable number of people to step up >> and act as package maintainers to accomplish the t

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:42:47 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200 > wrote: > >> Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) >> needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? >> >> (...) >> >> dependency spiderweb > > No spiderwebs or other

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

On Sun, 22 May 2016 20:01:29 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Sun, 22 May 2016 16:39:26 + > schrieb Florian Zieboll : > >> No spiderwebs or other dust here... (Jessie): >> >> | root@nulldevice:~# apt-get install xpdf lxde task-lxde-desktop [...] > Ok, it was synaptic which told me lxde and task-lx

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 07:45:40 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Hi. > > I do not know if it is intended to do such trivial suggestions > but ... ;) > > Being on my way to adapt my (jwm/fluxbox) setup to what i had before on > slackware, i stumbled into this: Devuan comes with evince by default. There is n

Re: [DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:37:34 +0200, Emninger wrote: > All of a sudden i'm getting many notifying msgs as voice msg as well > (also all i do in synaptic or sakura may be even other programs). Now, > i'd like to know, which is the standard notify daemon for devuan and if > it can eventually turned of

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 14:07:52 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Mon, 23 May 2016 10:37:45 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > > [ . . . ] > >> There is no such thing as a default PDF viewer for Devuan. > > Ok, i said it in the wrong way: Installing Devuan + LXDE desktop brings >

Re: [DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off [SOLVED]

On Mon, 23 May 2016 16:08:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: [...] > (in /etc/xdg/autostart there was the orca screen reader). So it was > easy. Now, that makes sense. :) [...] > /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon has to be there or is > for example dunst intended to substitute it? That file

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 13:23:20 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:58:53 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: [...] >> BTW: Everyone who liked Evince, as it was in the GNOME 2 >> days might want to have a look at Atril, a fork of Evince. [...] > Based on your recommendat

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:49:24 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Mon, 23 May 2016 18:11:51 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > >> (Another example would be EOM, which is a simple and very >> fast image viewer, clone of EOG.) > > Offtopic, but: Why not viewnior? It's fast, small

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:16:51 +0200, Jaromil wrote: [...] > on another note I wonder if all this knowledge put forward here, for > example on this thread on what is good for the PDF viewer > functionality, can be gathered into a sort of wiki document. IT would > be useful to have a menu structure t

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 22:11:04 +0200, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > W dniu 23.05.2016 o 08:50, Adam Borowski pisze: >> Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You want >> atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went completely bonkers. >> It's still gnomey but to a

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

go with lightdm (and I actually do), for it just works out of the box and is in active development. But that's just my personal two cents worth. Sorry I cannot be of much more help here. [1] Cf. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM Regards Irrwahn __

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Mon, 23 May 2016 23:16:48 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : >> I have no use for a PDF >> viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) >> ___ > > Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try t

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

[Re-post to list, accidentally hit wrong reply button.] On Tue, 24 May 2016 01:06:23 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:10:47PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: >> Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for >> slim; it's also the topmost one in ligh

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

On Tue, 24 May 2016 06:58:10 +0200, Emninger wrote: [...] > PS. If lightdm is the future: is there a way to free it from the > gnome-accessibility and other dependencies? May be someone able to > package can have a look at? No need to, since there is no such dependency at all: /lightdm_1.10.3-3_a

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:05:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Tue, 24 May 2016 00:42:55 + > schrieb Adam Borowski >> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager > > That's it!! :) No, it's not. But see below. > Now, there remains the question: > > How can i add JWM to the recognized sessio

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

On Tue, 24 May 2016 02:16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:39:00 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:05:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: [...] >>> How can i add JWM to the recognized sessions?f 'update-alternatives >>> --config

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

On Tue, 24 May 2016 08:26:31 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Tue, 24 May 2016 05:41:47 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > >> No need to, since there is no such dependency at all: [...] > I see. But why, when i install lightdm, then it always installs > gnome-accessibility-themes as w

Re: [DNG] Evince

On Tue, 24 May 2016 08:44:52 +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: >> On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:16:51 +0200, Jaromil wrote: [Proposal of a Wiki page providing recommendations for Devuan endorsed default software ...] > A good start could be to draft this for

Re: [DNG] How to change default session

On Tue, 24 May 2016 09:50:39 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Tue, 24 May 2016 07:27:11 + > schrieb Irrwahn : [...] >> >> $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01norecommends >> APT::Install-Recommends "0"; >> APT::Install-Suggests "0"; >> [...

[DNG] Emacs as PID1, was Re: Evince

On Tue, 24 May 2016 08:34:37 +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: > >> "Emacs is a great operating system, it lacks a good editor, though." [...] >> Maybe if someone could add some system init code and process >> supervision functionality

Re: [DNG] Emacs as PID1

On Tue, 24 May 2016 06:38:34 -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: >> On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: >>> ... >>> Maybe if someone could add some system init code and process >>> supervision functionality to it ... > > For process supervision, try 'M-x proced

Re: [DNG] what Emacs really is, jokes aside.

On Tue, 24 May 2016 19:55:07 +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Just for fun... > > Not everyone knows this, but Emacs can be your psychiatrist. If you haven't > tried it yet, take a look at "doctor" Of course, never miss out on aunty ELIZA! In case of emergency dial M-x doctor. Will soon be in desp

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