Perhaps my greatest error was assuming that anyone one the list would
need or even want a "dumbed down" explanation. In that case, it is most
certainly a "mea culpa" on my part.
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On 2016-03-02 16:20, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
> The soname mechanism already provides an opportunity for having multiple
> version of the same library installed as these cane use different
> sonames but provide the same set of symbols. In addition to this, the
> symbols themselves can be versioned
On 2016-03-02 03:19, Hendrik Boom wrote:
.
>
> Thanks.
You're welcome! =)
From this it looks as if there's a table of addresses for the
> external references, not a table of call instructions, as I had
> previously thought. This would seemm to indicate that the coopilers
> generating the code mu
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-dynamic-libraries/
Sorry the link didn't get through the first time. I hope you find it
useful, Hendrik.
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On 2016-03-02 01:23, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Perhaps it is worth going in to more detail. Or providing links to a
> more complete description.
>
> -- hendrik
>
This may be useful to you, and better than my explanation. Like
yourself, I know the basics, but not the exact details of every
impleme
On 2016-03-01 23:41, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> "T.J. Duchene" writes:
> > On 2016-03-01 20:22, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >> "T.J. Duchene" writes:
> >> > On 03/01/2016 08:15 AM, dng-request@??? wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >
On 2016-03-01 20:22, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> "T.J. Duchene" writes:
> > On 03/01/2016 08:15 AM, dng-request@??? wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
> > I'd just like to offer my opinions on the subject of Debian/Devuan
> > libraries, linking and so on. This i
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On 02/29/2016 04:41 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi,
Hello, Edward! =)
Like, I assume many, on this mailing list, know what to do when they
opt not to install the default window manager or desktop. However, I
think, XFCE is a good choice, although on my T4400 2GB computer it
tends to be rather
On 2016-02-29 17:12, Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
> Just to clarify about "default" desktop environment and what that
actually
> means.
>
> The "default" desktop environment is the one that gets squeezed onto the
> first CD/DVD of a set of installation media, as well as the one that's
> installed
On 2016-02-26 09:46, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> I have been playing a bit with Siduction 14.1 when it was released some
> months ago, because it came with an LXQt Desktop.
Hi, Florian! =)
LXQt does have a lot going for it, but my time spent testing it on
Debian Sid left me with a somewhat negati
Hello GoLinux, Steve, and Hendrik! Good to see you all again, in spite
of past disagreements.
This is just my opinion, but I don't see XFCE's future being so grim.
I think GTK's future outside of Gnome is the concern. It's been my
observation that GTK has become very Gnome-centric, and a numb
Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to clear
up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the
Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan
was going to be a "better Debian" without the shove the Technical C
The lack of the last two: multiple versions and shell scripts are why
Debian derivatives cannot share packages, even though they use
identical base code.
Correction:
The lack of multiple versions and packahe shell scripts are why
Debian derivatives cannot share packages, even though they use
ide
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:19:03 +
Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
Hi, Stephanie! =)
> They did, but out of all this design by committee, hidden between all
> the political bullshit and bikeshedding, they also created the most
> brilliant, most comprehensive set of standards for quality control,
> pa
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 03:15:50 -0700
James Powell wrote:
Hi Jim! =)
>
> To me, a shim is not the way. Sanitization is what is needed, and if
> that requires work, then question this, 'Will the work be worth it?'
> and to me the answer is a definable 'yes'.
I suppose there are some people like yo
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:02:12 +
Roger Leigh wrote:
> That's a considerable achievement--how many other projects have been
> able to achieve an equivalent scale?
Not very many and I agree with you, it is very impressive, even if
Debian makes internal bickering look commonplace. I'd say it is
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:13:56 +
Roger Leigh wrote:
er revision for 2017, and I think they are nuts.
>
> I don't. I write C++ code for my day job, and I'd have to say that
> these revisions make C++ better than ever to write. It's cleaner,
> simpler, and more maintainable. Just last week
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:01:35 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
Please, Steve, provide us with all you mentionned, as an
> > alternative to mainstream bloated/infected stuff. Since Devuan is
> > all about freedom, this is the place where to deliver to the world.
> > As soon as I can install Devuan on metal
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:38:35 -0700
Isaac Dunham wrote:
>
> To elaborate on this, GCC 5.1 (I think) has changed the ABI for C++11
> support.
> Packages using C++11 need to be rebuilt with the new library;
> libreoffice has already been rebuilt, but not KDE.
That's a very good point, Isaac. C++
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:26:58 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Oh, you wouldn't want to do that. Contrary to what I wrote in another
> thread about "the perfect is the enemy of the good", if *I* were in
> charge of decontamination, I'd throw out whole subsystems.
LOL! =)
One thing I say with the
Hi Stephanie! =)
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:44:42 +
Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
>
> I fear however that we're going to see packages with deeper and deeper
> entanglement with systemd, where it won't be a simple matter to patch
> the software to work correctly. Gnome already seems to be moving
Everyone of course is welcome to comment but the question is really for the
Devuan team.Is the general plan is just to copy Debian, or are there plans
to make more changes than just systemd?
Debian APT is an example. It's a good manager, but it falls short in some key
areas that are not un
On Monday, August 10, 2015 07:32:40 PM Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi golinux,
>
> I base this reply on the assumption that the idea of a base
> system is relevant only to the initial install, and that Debian would
> certainly continue to have packages for xorg, Xfce, LXDE, Openbox,
> *box, Windowmaker, I
On Monday, August 10, 2015 08:15:20 AM Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
> I'm not convinced that there is any 'overarching problem':
All I meant was that Debian and Devuan have the same problem. It could be
resolved by changing their packaging policies slightly. The whole reason that
Devuan exists is
On 08/09/2015 06:47 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Doesn't that machine hae teh processor for which Microsoft said that
all its Windowses would be totally locked down? Or have things changed for
Windows 10?
Hello, Hendrik!
Assuming you mean "safe boot", that is only mandated for devices
specif
On 08/09/2015 08:14 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who are
rather frustrated with Windows 10.
The friends in question ask me about how to fix problems with their
computers from time to time.
With the greatest respect, Isaac, by my
I know I have said this before, but I just wanted to say that both
threads are really the same issue. I think the overarching problem that
both Debian and Devuan have is the very same problem: packaging. From
my little corner of the world, every disagreement so far seems to be a
package proble
On 08/08/2015 05:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
to 'use of systemd', there are things which sound like they were to fear
more seriously, ie, the stated intention of at least one kernel
maintainer (Tejun Hejo, spelling probably wrong) that he wants to "break
userspace" in order to turn cgroups "i
You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 08/07/2015 09:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Trivial as in, somebody has t
On 08/07/2015 09:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Trivial as in, somebody has to do it. The whole point of packaging is
to automate a lot of the routine things involved in installation.
And, because Debian (and presumeably Devuan) don't put stuff in
default locations, packaging involves chang
On Friday, August 07, 2015 06:13:10 PM Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> I actually don't mind dropping gnome. It does depend on systemd by
> defacto, and is bulky. I did try xfce in a fresh install of debian
> jessie, and found it gave me speech when I rebooted after the
> install.
I'm sorry, I don't k
On Friday, August 07, 2015 05:46:00 PM Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> I also did do an aptitude search sysv when I had debian jessie freshly
> installed, but didn't get a match. If I could have installed sysvinit
> or sysvinit-core in a fresh installed, I might have tried that just to
> see what I got.
On Friday, August 07, 2015 05:06:14 PM Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 2. I want ctrl+alt+del to do shutdown -h, instead of shutdown -r
> (another real use case on another virtual system). I couldn't figure
> out a way to do this in debian jessie.
>
> Now, what you proposed above from what I understand s
Roger,
I haven't had a chance, but I wanted to thank you for your insights regarding
C++ last month. I've not used it as a "main language" in some time.
I was coding in C++ long before smart pointers were introduced. Old habits
die hard I suppose.
Your comments made me reconsider many thin
>James Powell Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:02:56 -0700
>Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
>However, Debian developers refused to support several init systems. So it's
>only a matter of time when they remove init scripts from packages.What will
>Devuan developers do
If I might add my two cents a few days late,
I really do not think that kdbus matters overly much and that people
(including myself in the past) have assigned too much concern to the topic.
Kdbus is little more than an implementation of dbus, which is a fairly neutral
protocol. The concern o
That's a very gracious offer, Steve, and I'm sure it will be greatly
appreciated. =)
If I might say so, I HATE automount. Click to mount is fine, but
automounting peripheral drives like jump drives, CDs and whatnot is an
inexcusable security risk, in my opinion, even under a UNIX.
Mounting shoul
On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 23:58 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>
> Ada is not an acronym, it's after the first name of the first
> person who wrote programs, the daughter of Byron, the english poet.
Yes, I know.
>
> Ada is used in many places where human life is at stake: eg.
> planes, missile
On 07/26/2015 11:08 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I also had a long discussion with some of the guys in charge of the
ADA project -- they really wanted the security that comes from
completely automatic storage management but they couldn't afford to
have their weapons systems stop for garbage collec
On 07/26/2015 03:43 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
I agree on keeping an eye on GNUStep but, despite I am a WMaker user,
I wouldn't recommend it as a default in Devuan either.
HND
KatolaZ
Just my two cents,
Realistically, I believe the only sane choice for a *default* is XFCE
4.12. Aesthetically, a
overhead compared to procedural programming. At that
point, anyone wanting efficiency really starts questioning the value of OOP.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Hendrik Boom
wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:36:47PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> >
> >
> >
On 7/25/2015 9:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
I've heard that wayland will require systemd.
SteveT
I have to apologize, Steve.
When I refer to "Wayland" I am referring to the Linux project, which as
far as I know does NOT have anything to do with systemd. It's just
easier to call it "Waylan
On 7/25/2015 5:26 AM, Roger Leigh wrote:
In C++ this simply doesn't happen; upcasting is completely
transparent, downcasting with dynamic_cast is completely safe. This
can lead to long standing latent bugs in the codebase that are well
hidden.
What you describe is the result of poor des
On 7/24/2015 8:38 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
Hi T.J. and others,
I've been following this thread with some interest.
T.J., it seems most of your objections to OOP are not
strictly against the principles and advantages of OOP in
abstract, but against the way OOP is implemented in C and
C++.
With
On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote:
On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote:
CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I
can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of
anyone except corporate. Everyone else was using FVWM, Andre
On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote:
Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the
'default' desktop for devuan 2.0?
here's what i'm talking about:
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/
"CD
On 7/24/2015 3:57 AM, Roger Leigh wrote:
First, thank you for the reply, Roger. I supremely appreciate it.
I'm referring to the *GTK* "C API" here. Not C in general. If I
create a GObject-based "class", either as a subclass of a GTK class or
as an independent class subclassed from the ro
On 7/24/2015 5:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Hey T.J., you seem to contradict yourself when saying "C and C++
are strongly typed" and "Type checking is never C's job." :-)
Actually, yes, C and C++ are typed, but weakly. They silently do
type conversion in pretty much every instruction.
On 7/23/2015 10:41 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with you on C++, but I'd like to refer you to Roger
Leigh's comments on the subject about seven and a half months ago;
I'm only appending the first couple screenfuls (which is maybe a third
of the original) but you should be able
On 7/23/2015 9:52 PM, Jude Nelson wrote:
I don't care for it myself - because it is C++.
Minor correction: GTK is written in C, and relies on GLib, which is
also written C. However, it's open to debate as to how
similar/different C-plus-GLib is to C++ in practice.
Apologies fo
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
> > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is
> > documented on a random basis, when you compare it to the rest of
> > GNU/Fedora
> > it's...
On 7/23/2015 5:37 AM, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
Good morning,
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
[snip]
Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand
how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy
On 7/23/2015 5:16 AM, Laurent Bercot wrote:
I agree that it's a fight for another time, though.
TY! The information was very simple and very helpful. It's a design
flaw that annoys everyone so. This is quite understandable. It has been
my experience that a lot of code - FOSS or not - i
> Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this thread,
> really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions
> and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful.
Hi KatolaZ!
I assure you it was never my intention to offend anyone,
>
> Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to replace
> the
> own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But
> Dbus seems to have infected every other DE. At least Xfce4.
>
> Didier
>
I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could
On 7/23/2015 12:49 AM, James Powell wrote:
First off cool your jets, and trying call me out on knowing the
internals of an IPC in Userspace I didn't develop is very childish.
I honestly don't care if D-Bus what it does other than be a
communication and messaging relay between applications an
On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
Because, prove me wrong.
Miro, I truly wish you well, but feel no need to prove anything to you.
:-)
Often the surveillors most used tools, since otherwise they wouldn't
be able to follow their targets, is exactly multiseats. They
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote:
However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and the Pi
has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and use it there.
I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with every
.
[T.J. Duchene]
Sorry, my fault! Mea Culpa. I should have read the original message more
closely.
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y before the service is
> available.
> Overall reaction to the argument:
> Expecting init to manage all that is stupid; init should only be concerned
> with
> system processes.
>
> Thanks,
> Isaac
>
[T.J. Duchene]
Please understand that I hold your opinion in the highes
, nothing is working anymore! Have killed Jessie and installed in the Last
two days a new Wheeze MiniITX machine and now anything is working as expected.
I will do anything to get rid of "systemd"!!! It is a nightmare!
--
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GNU/Linux Developer
0049-176-86004575
[T.J. Duch
> They are achieving it via an on-line firmware update and downloading a
> completely new firmware to the entertainment unit. OS is irrelevant.
[T.J. Duchene]
I mean no offense, but that statement should really be qualified. Actually the
OS is not irrelevant, depending on the configu
On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 00:16 +0200, taoi...@gmx.net wrote:
> Sorry, just throwing in my 2ct, not even knowing how to correctly quote
> (I receive the digested list).
No worries, Stephan! =)
>
> Imho the biggest chance, the biggest potential for devuan would be to
> just start off as "another" d
Nano (and Emacs) belongs to GNU, and you
> know it: GNU's Not Unix! Do not forget we are talking of GNU/Linux.
> Trying to be POSIX-compliant, sure, but GNU nevertheless... a dilemma :-)
>
> Good day.
> Didier
>
[T.J. Duchene] LOL! =)
You ma
Hi, everyone! =)
With all this discussion about changes, I'd like to make sure that the UNIX
guru/programmer is represented. I've mentioned this before, and I hate
repetition - BUT - I feel it is important enough that it should be stated
separately so that it is not overlooked. All this discu
To: ibid...@gmail.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 16:46:11 -0500
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:38:47 -0700
ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean by "alternative package chains".
Multiple
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:17:15 -0500
Stanley Webb wrote:
> Will it be possible to install *.deb's in Devuan? I ask because I
> like the Mate desktop, and they offer deb installs at their site
> mate-desktop.org. also libreoffice offers deb at their site
> www.libreoffice.org.
>
Hi Stanley! =)
KatolaZ:
> > > You guys talk about supporting half a dozen init systems like it
> > > was similar to providing half a dozen different editors, which
> > > believe me is not quite the case.
hendrik:
> You're arguing for setting up the framework that makes it possible,
> rather than to do the hea
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:04:43 -0700
jce wrote:
>
> But as far as the vi vs. nano as *default* editor thing, I think nano
> would generate a lot less "how do I get out of this thing?" traffic
> for devuan support.
>
Gentlemen, please excuse me if this seems blunt - but - I think the odds
of an
18:01:43 -0700
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 06:18:09PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > > If I might say so, I think that Devuan's short-term goal should be
> > > to get a release out as soon as possible, as close to Debian Jesse
> > >
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:45:49 -0700
James Powell wrote:
> If the goal of Devuan is Debian sans-systemd, then no changes other
> than rebuilding packages to exclude systemd support is needed.
If I might say so, I think that Devuan's short-term goal should be to
get a release out as soon as possibl
Guys, if you don't mind my saying so, I think that change to the sake of
change is really not very useful.
More importantly, Devuan needs to keep vi installed in any case, in
order to conform to the POSIX standard. I'm tired of the Linux
community deciding to ignore UNIX standards. If Devuan is
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:20:31 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
>
>
> I think it is a very good thing to have config scripts checking for
> the existence of systemd. This means that developers still consider
> systemd a non standard component of a GNU/Linux system, like a library
> that you can have in your s
> > exim -> postfix
>
I'd like to suggest that Debian' use of a lightweight EXIM (not the
full EXIM) remain the default over Postfix.
I've managed and programmed Postfix servers before. It is not a
trivial task, nor do I believe that Postfix makes a best
replacement.
Postfix has several long
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:29:22 +0100
Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Hi guys,
>
> is it to much to ask not to include me in the To: when answering my
> posts? Obviously I read the list so the discussion should stay here.
>
> And another plea, please do
> -Original Message-
> From: T.J. Duchene [mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:14 PM
> To: 'Teodoro Santoni'
> Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
>
> > >
> > > > > And as a c
From: James Powell [mailto:james4...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:37 PM
To: T.J. Duchene; 'dng'
Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
I also do not think recreating SVCHOST is wise. I followed Windows since 2000
and since then SVCHOST has pull
From: James Powell [mailto:james4...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:27 PM
To: T.J. Duchene
Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
I think if Devuan can break the dependency, it can prove more than most people
realize.
We will certainly see, and it
>I think Linus is right when it comes to systemd as an init, but really
>that is not the problem.
>The real problem is that systemd is not just an init, it is or is
>rapidly becoming, a locked in operating system frame work, looking for a
>friendly kernel and a desktop environment.
>People
> After more digging, what did the problem turn out to be?
>
>
> policykit-1. Yup, during my upgrade, I snagged policykit-1 from
> Devuan. It broke things.
>
> I apt-get remove'd policykit-1, and lookit that, my Reboot/Shutdown
> buttons are back. I didn't even have to restart XFCE.
>
>
>
> I am impressed by the moral clarity and impassionate manner of the
> subscribers on this list today: You mentioned system-rescuec-d and did not
> cause a flame war.
>
> Arnt
I'd like to think that we set differences aside when some needs help.
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>
> People are working _now_ on eudev as a replacement for udev until vdev is
> finished. It might even be a good replacement for udev already for the
> devuan jessie release.
[T.J. ] That's very interesting and information I did not know. You have to
admit that actual development details re
> Hello T.J.,
>
> I didn't mean to express anything related to "put up or shut up".
Actually, I am someone who would pat you on the back if you did. Talk is
cheap, and quite frankly, I when dealing with Linux fans I often hear a lot of
talk and see very little. I feel you handled it with
I thought it was already settled and decided by the VUA that Devuan Jessie
will use udev. I agree with this stance, for the same reason as T.J. points
out--udev is production-ready, whereas vdev is not. It's the pragmatic
thing to do--I only have a handful of hours per week to work on vdev, so
You both made good points. I've been around a while, so I'll just speak my
mind. If that bothers anyone, please "plug your ears."
I've used Unix before Linux existed, and after. I've seen ideas come and
go. Systemd is absolutely nothing new, nor is the community reaction to it
even surprising.
> I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
> technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the maintainer
> of udev outside systemd source tree in Devuan.
[T.J. ] Please understand that I very much respect your position, and I agree
with you that
>
> I think that has already happened for quite some time. The latest udev
> package outside systemd source in Debian is 175-7.2 according to
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/udev. In Debian jessie it is provided by
> systemd package as shown on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd. I am
> still
I am reposting this with apologies to all concerned. Outlook mangled the
message text. The top few paragraphs were not my own. They belong to James
P.
>Unfortunately this seems to be a growing trend following the Microsoft
playbook of acquisition, suppressi
Unfortunately this seems to be a growing trend following the Microsoft playbook
of acquisition, suppression, and extinction on various Linux communities and
mailing lists I've been privy to as of recent.
Fewer and fewer distributions have avoided systemd but discussion into
alternatives i
> -Original Message-
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Daniel
> Reurich
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:58 PM
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: [Dng] Devuan - Fork or Derivative (or perhaps both)
>
> Hi
>
> I wonder if Devuan should rebrand its relationship t
> -Original Message-
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of David Hare
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:12 PM
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development
>
> While we're waiting for vdev (that does look like the way t
With respect, Edward, I can't imagine why you are taking the "long way
around" in regards to systemd XFCE 4.12 can be compiled without systemd to
my knowledge. That would eliminate any concerns.
T.J.
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>This is the exact situation in which I'm glad for containers and VMs.
>Use all the systemd you want, but keep it in a Biosafety level 4
>containment facility.
I'd use a VM. I suspect a container or chroot would not be sufficient. =)
All jokes aside, this would be why I am watching the systembs
>Also, if one really, really, really needs a systemd burdened software,
>he could always run it in a Docker container.
Hey, Steve! Good to hear from you!
Now that is a very good point. Unfortunately, running systemd inside of
Docker container requires a privileged container and does
On 2015-04-15 19:01, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 06:39:29PM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 01:22:28PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > >
> > > systemd-shim is for when you *don't* want systemd.
> >
> > Yes, but cause of you have things that depend
Anyone wants to contact me is certainly welcome to do so off of the Devuan
list, on any subject they please.
I'm not trying to be dramatic, but I believe that it is in Devuan's best
interest that I leave. By removing myself from the list, legitimate
conversation can continue. I'm still interest
>
> What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just
> continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically
born
> to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince us that
> systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and *necessary*? I don't want to
> -Original Message-
> From: Jaromil [mailto:jaro...@dyne.org]
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 2:28 AM
> To: T.J. Duchene; dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd
>
> hi T.J.
>
> On 6 April 2015 01:37:23 CE
> -Original Message-
> From: neofu...@ww7.be [mailto:neofu...@ww7.be] On Behalf Of Neo
> Futur
> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:10 PM
> To: T.J. Duchene
> Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
>
> I m a gentoo and mageia
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