>Also, if one really, really, really needs a systemd burdened software, >he could always run it in a Docker container. Hey, Steve! Good to hear from you! Now that is a very good point. Unfortunately, running systemd inside of Docker container requires a privileged container and does not work out of the box as smoothly as suggested, e.g.: http://developerblog.redhat.com/2014/05/05/running-systemd-within-docker-con tainer/ If we accept that Devuan's userbase will be capable of such, that is definitely a reasonable answer, if you have the knowledge, resources and time to spare. If assume the Devuan user, then I heartily agree with you. By comparison, for the "non-technical" end user, a shim is easier. I suppose what really defines the situation is that it comes down to what kind of audience Devuan is for. Personally, I'd just like to say that while I respect what Docker is trying to do, I feel that Docker is about as effective as to run certain services in a chroot. A lot of people do not have the experience to understand the problems or implications that go with it. I'd rather just use a VM and be done with it for the present. Less mess. I'll be watching from afar. Still waiting to see if a dev list for development issues is going to appear. Take care! T.J.
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