On 2015-04-15 19:01, Hendrik Boom wrote: 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 06:39:29PM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: 
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 01:22:28PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: 
> > > 
> > > systemd-shim is for when you *don't* want systemd. 
> > 
> > Yes, but cause of you have things that depend on components of systemd. 
> > We don't want systemd nor anything depending on components from systemd,

> > so, we don't want the shim too. 
> > 
> > systemd-shim is for who don't want to have systemd in pid 1 but accept 
> > other systemd components. We don't want systemd at all. 
> 
> Is this really true?  Or is systemd to handle components that have 
> nothing to do with systemd except that they were, unfortunately, 
> developed on a system where they had to use systemd to access system 
> services that were formerly, and are elsewhere, handled by other, more 
> traditional means? 
> 
> -- hendrik 

Heyo. Wanted to see how things are going.

The main purpose of a systemd-shim is to allow code that depends on systemd
to be compiled and execute cleanly, without having to actually introduce a
binary dependency on systemd.  Whether or not that is actually a laudable
goal is the subject of much debate.  

>From a user standpoint, it lets them use software that they might not
otherwise have on Devuan.  

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