On 07/20/2011 07:19 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
if you do not understand me:
if have no problem with WORKING replacements
but i have A HUGHE problem with things that should solve
problems nobody sees and brings a lot of new ones
I have no probl
On 07/21/2011 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
did or the next replacement will be finished BEFORE release
including the correspondending parts of t
On 07/22/2011 01:16 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully syst
On 08/12/2011 11:03 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.08.2011 17:00, schrieb Tomasz Torcz:
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:46:27AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
I thought that their outputs, especially that of findmnt, would've
clarified the output of mount, except for the three sandbox bind
mounts.
Su
On 08/20/2011 08:09 AM, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 00:13 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
if you can give a warning you can also stop the socket
this is what the user expects and if your software-design
is not able to act logically it is broken
Stopping the service but leaving the poss
On 08/20/2011 03:31 PM, Steve Grubb wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2011 02:17:04 PM Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Sat, 20.08.11 09:41, Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2011 10:50:01 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
Tim Waugh wrote:
Oh, I just noticed this:
https://fedoraproj
On 08/22/2011 12:03 PM, JB wrote:
Steve Grubb redhat.com> writes:
...
You're not seeing the hundreds - no thousands of emails about systemd?
You are not seeing that all the expected facilities of init are not covered?
There is well founded rebellion here.
...
Yes, you are right. And the peop
On 08/23/2011 01:48 PM, JB wrote:
JB gmail.com> writes:
...
Here are some more detailed thoughts.
Sys init.
-
Sys init as a process #1 should be "beyond approach" by design, and delegate
all work to other process(es), whether in a permanent or an ad-hoc manner,
that can be operated
On 09/12/2011 10:55 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
Bruno Wolff III writes:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 03:16:47 -0400,
Tom Lane wrote:
OK, it's built and filed at
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/postgresql-9.1.0-1.fc16
One thing I noticed is that service postgresql initdb and
service postgresql
On 09/14/2011 04:35 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 09/13/2011 11:03 PM, Micha? Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lane:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched over to native systemd
files.)
I used this service file on F15
On 09/14/2011 11:28 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Miloslav_Trma=E8?= writes:
2011/9/14 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson":
An simple test to measure this reliably is to strip down the legacy sysv
init script to the start up command only and have a strip down unit file to
the startup command only.
T
On 09/15/2011 02:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 09/14/2011 06:23 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ralf Corsepiuswrote:
Anyway, some more figures: On the same machine, bootup times when
booting from a (slow) external (
On 09/15/2011 12:01 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
For grub1 guests, it has turned out not to matter which specific
version of grub [as long as it was grub1] was used, as apparently
grub-install updates all files needed in /boot/gr
On 09/16/2011 08:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 08:48 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
On 09/16/2011 05:01 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:17:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
True. As far as GNOME goes, though, whenever you suggest 'bulletproof
session ma
On 09/16/2011 11:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 09/17/2011 06:33 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
Were not? From:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd
systemd System and Session Manager
That page does answer your question. systemd can work as a session
manager but it isn't part of F
On 09/17/2011 01:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 23:22 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Oh, I must have misunderstood - Gene's Mailist comment:
.
Temptinh as it might be, just please keep session management away from
the init daemon and let it do its one important job pro
On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
(That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it
should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum-
presto. For me, it's much faster to just downlo
I am trying to use preupgrade a fedora 13 system to fedora 14. When I reboot
the system just
hangs.
The hardware is a Jetway MB with an intel D510 cpu and 2 GB of memory sata
drive.
All I see on reboot is a blinking cursor in the upper left corner of the screen.
I have to ctl-alt-del to get ou
On 04/04/2011 10:55 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 04/03/2011 06:04 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
I am trying to use preupgrade a fedora 13 system to fedora 14. When I
reboot the system just
hangs.
The hardware is a Jetway MB with an intel D510 cpu and 2 GB of memory
sata drive.
All I see on reboot
On 04/05/2011 04:08 PM, Severin Gehwolf wrote:
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 22:03 +0200, Micha? Piotrowski wrote:
W dniu 5 kwietnia 2011 21:49 uz.ytkownik Micha? Piotrowski
napisa?:
W dniu 5 kwietnia 2011 21:48 uz.ytkownik Micha? Piotrowski
napisa?:
Try to add some informations about ordering to
On 04/13/2011 03:26 AM, Christopher Aillon wrote:
> On 04/12/2011 06:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 04/13/2011 06:47 AM, Christopher Aillon wrote:
>>> commit 7986a8567a9dbb2a6f8187b91a021d5ad350f96f
>>> Author: Christopher Aillon
>>> Date: Tue Apr 12 18:15:07 2011 -0700
>>>
>>> Default
On 04/27/2011 11:57 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:59:09AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
because the same hostname can have A and AAA records
and the people commonly use ping (sysadmins) must be
able to decide what they will test?
U
On 05/20/2011 12:00 AM, Chuck Ebbert wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:59:57 +0200
Lennart Poettering wrote:
I am sorry that reality bothers you so much, but it is the hard old real
world ...
See, I am so young, I still have the idealism that we can fix what is
broken.
And you're going to go abo
I use it because it has a nice GUI. I was an original user of vmware when it
first came out, actually bought a license.
I have been using VirtualBox since vmware went to the web interface gui,
couldn't get it to work so I found
VirtualBox, been using it ever since. I only use it for testing and
On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote:
On 06/10/2011 03:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
I understand your desire to replace everything by systemd.
I really do. syslogd, klogd, mount, fsck, and a dozen other things
I forget or don't know.
You're exaggerating.
Why does systemd link against
On 06/10/2011 09:07 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Hi Lennart,
systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process
I ever played with.
Granted, systemd does a bit more that "typical" init, but I think
using *eleven plus megabytes* of malloced space is a bit much.
systemctl --all shows 2
On 06/12/2011 12:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01:
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be able to install
and use it.
and why in the world is systemd forced after a upgrade via yum where
upst
On 06/12/2011 05:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer:
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum
NOT USING "systemd" and force "upstart" as before
* the system is running since years
* every dist
On 06/12/2011 06:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 13.06.2011 00:13, schrieb Steve Clark:
WTF every three years a new pig is forced to run through the city
and if any subsystem is runnign well and debugged some idiot
comes out of his hole and try replace and force everybody
to use it
don'
On 06/13/2011 03:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug
gave me shivers. Are we really sure that systemd is ready? I mean, I
don't even call my code "alpha" if it can't parse a slash correctly.
How is it systemd's fa
On 06/13/2011 08:23 AM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
* Steve Clark [13/06/2011 14:04] :
Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have regressions that
break users stuff.
Linus has no such thing. Google the min/max incident and the amount of drivers
that were removed from
On 06/14/2011 04:06 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 13.06.11 19:02, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of
On 06/14/2011 07:08 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 06/14/2011 04:36 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
I never proposed having alternatives for each of the core systems
either... There is already a viable alternative that works. inittab
contains atm exactly one line... the one with the default runlevel...
an
On 06/17/2011 09:05 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:
The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:
1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.
What key between Ctrl& Alt? The last good[1] keyboards made (AFAIK) predate
keyboards with windows ke
On 06/17/2011 09:43 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:
The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:
1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.
What key between Ctrl& Alt? The last good[1] ke
On 06/19/2011 06:54 AM, Aaron Sowry wrote:
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:03:05AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
Your point about column headers is taken (explicitly, in my mail) and
bears no more repeating since there's a bug about it.
I didn't realise there was a bug for this, which is it?
Your p
On 06/19/2011 10:25 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 07:09:14PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Aaron, haven't you figured it out yet? As far as Lennart is concerned it
is his way or the highway!
My $.02 after following all the threads about sysemd/ctl.
Steve,
On 06/23/2011 03:29 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
Steve Clark writes:
If your are concerned with boot times suspend to disk!
Suspend to disk is dead slow even with an SSD. That really is no
alternative.
Suspend to RAM is nice when it works which is about 4 times out of 5 on
this laptop. (A great
On 06/23/2011 08:49 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.06.2011 14:10, schrieb Steve Clark:
On 06/23/2011 03:29 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
Steve Clark writes:
If your are concerned with boot times suspend to disk!
Suspend to disk is dead slow even with an SSD. That really is no
alternative
On 07/07/2011 01:13 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi,
When I did a glibc downgrade to 2.13.90-9 eCryptfs mount problem no
longer appears, also there is no data corruption problem. Glibc
changes somehow breaks eCryptfs and probably also samba.
W dniu 5 lipca 2011 21:25 użytkownik Michał Piotrowsk
On 07/08/2011 12:32 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
W dniu 8 lipca 2011 18:21 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski
napisał:
Hi,
2011/7/8 Andreas Schwab:
Use valgrind.
I attach valgrind output.
==1312== 1 errors in context 1 of 116:
==1312== Source and destination overlap in memcpy(0xaef1590, 0xaef159
On 07/08/2011 01:19 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
2011/7/8 Jakub Jelinek:
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 01:12:04PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
So it does appear to be related to the memcpy change in libc.
So eCryptfs is buggy, just fix it.
The compatibility stuff that has been added to glibc to
On 07/10/2011 05:46 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:32 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:
On 07/08/2011 10:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Or in other words: configuration via command line arguments or
environment variables sucks.
I disagree. It doesn't suck. It's the way UNIX and Li
On 07/10/2011 11:32 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:46:18AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
I disagree. It doesn't suck. It's the way UNIX and Linux have done this
for dozens of years, and it's the way countless sysadmins know and love.
"Sucks" might be true from the point of vi
On 07/10/2011 01:49 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:49:19AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Command line arguments and/or environment variables allow script-based
startup to adapt to current conditions without having to edit a
configuration file. Now maybe you could argue that
On 07/10/2011 04:20 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 16:32 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:46:18AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
The big kernel lock doesn't suck. It's the way SMP UNIX did things f
On 07/10/2011 05:35 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 03:56:25PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
The suggestion isn't that having the options is wrong
Well, that's what you said before (conveniently snipped from your
reply). You compared CLI
On 01/27/2012 01:43 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
if you finally want have /bin as symlink forever this whole
change is only wasted time and makes no sense at all
If you haven't read the new summary write-up on the benefits of the
/user feature th
On 02/10/2012 05:28 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:11:06AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Yes, I'm arguing that the "feature" is undesirable by design and should not
have been approved, not for Fedora 17, not for Fedora 18, not even for
Fedora 31337.
It has been approved, other
On 02/15/2012 05:49 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On 02/15/2012 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 15.02.2012 10:53, schrieb Brendan Jones:
On 02/15/2012 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 14.02.2012 19:16, schrieb "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson":
On 02/14/2012 10:23 AM, Alfredo Ferrari wrote:
Do the s
On 02/15/2012 05:19 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 18:10 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 15.02.2012 17:59, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
On 02/15/2012 05:06 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
On 02/15/2012 05:49 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote
On 02/15/2012 10:34 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 07:23:24PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote:
On 02/15/2012 05:19 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
I use bash completion all the time every single day - I guess I have
become a corner case!
No you haven't. All the developers I have w
On 02/16/2012 08:12 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Clark"
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:47:03 AM
Subject: Re: /usrmove? -> about the future
On 02/15/2012 10:34 PM, Matthew Garrett
On 04/02/2012 05:30 PM, M A Young wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 02.04.12 16:55, Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
What about forensics? Any reboot erases information that might have been needed
to see what happened during a break in.
/tmp is already volatil
On 04/03/2012 11:35 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Brian Wheeler said:
* The competition for space between things in /tmp and VM. When someone
abuses space in /tmp (on purpose or not) then the system is going to
start swapping and performance is going to suffer and the common
respons
Hello,
I am trying to access EPEL but download.fedoraproject.org only gives me a blank
screen or
from yum I get
pel/metalink
| 265 B 00:00
Could not parse metalink
https://mirrors.fedo
On 04/24/2012 11:27 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:24:56 -0400
Steve Clark wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to access EPEL but download.fedoraproject.org only gives
me a blank screen or from yum I get
pel/metalink
| 265 B 00:00 Could not parse metalink
https
On 05/31/2012 08:57 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
On 05/31/2012 12:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/31/2012 12:45 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
Now /var/tmp should be "more persistent" which we don't need,
Correct, using /var/tmp is wrong and a mistake.
IMO, advising people to modify their code to u
On 05/31/2012 09:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
- Secure boot is required to be able to be disabled on x86 (the only
platform Fedora will support it).
And this is exactly why we should just require our users to disable it!
I don't see any advantage at all from supporting this "f
On 06/01/2012 10:23 AM, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 09:27:16AM -0400, Brian Wheeler wrote:
my biggest problem was that tmpfs by
default allocates half of physical RAM for partition. So I just
allocated big enough swap and added a line to /etc/fstab with
appropriate size= op
On 06/01/2012 11:54 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
I don't want to jump in the technicality of this discussion, but I can
only hope any "solution" that requires users to fiddle with BIOS
settings in order to install Fedora won't be s
On 06/01/2012 12:02 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 17:54 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
I don't want to jump in the technicality of this discussion, but I can
only hope any "solution" that requires users to fiddle
On 06/01/2012 03:00 PM, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:50:55PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Not a single person who has claimed a performance or semantic win for
this /tmp move has replied when asked for proof.
$ time dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/file bs=1M count=10240
1024
On 06/02/2012 11:27 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
And I don't think having to disable "Secure" Boot in the firmware is a
hurdle which will make our users "simply walk away". I didn't "simply walk
away" either back in the day where RHL wouldn't boot without disablin
On 06/02/2012 05:26 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
I think regressing to the installs
being somewhat easier than ten yearsish ago is still a better place to
be than the cryptographic lockdown.
I disagree and once again it is not a lockdown as peop
On 06/02/2012 07:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Steve Clark said:
Who are these users? I have been using Linux since 0.99 while working with
many users of Windows,none of them
expressed an interest in trying linux.
Well, we obviously have different friends. I've got lo
On 06/02/2012 08:20 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 07:51:52PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Who are these potential users? How many people running windows have you
convinced to also
load Linux? I have been using Linux since 0.99 and have not been able to
convince any to use
On 06/02/2012 08:56 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 08:43:41PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
On 06/02/2012 08:20 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 07:51:52PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Who are these potential users? How many people running windows have you
On 06/12/2012 08:10 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote:
If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support,
On 06/12/2012 06:15 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/12/2012 12:58 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
The point is we have a target audience:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
Our desired users ARE con
On 06/12/2012 10:58 AM, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/12/2012 12:58 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
The point is we have a target audience:
http://fedoraproject
On 06/15/2012 12:05 PM, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 15:46 -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
Please forgive this top posting.
I will not answer now your radical defense of Microsoft, except to
say two things:
1. Your defense would apply a
On 05/05/2014 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 05.05.14 10:35, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY (kkeit...@redhat.com) wrote:
On 05/05/2014 10:28 AM, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 18:59 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
however, the semantics of /usr/sbin is to contain superuser
binaries wh
On 06/13/2014 09:03 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 13.06.2014 14:53, schrieb Jan Zelený:
That being said, the reason for not renaming dnf to yum is that renaming this
project to yum will do nothing else than to confuse its users, as they will
think
On 06/13/2014 11:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
well, hopefully it does not fit the same way if it needs to drive
offside a nice road in context of software: stability
i am tired hear people talking about milliseconds of boot-performance
and what update tool is slightly faster here and there becau
On 06/23/2014 06:54 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree.
I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent packages. I've seen that also when I've
tried to remove a package and noticed it had a myriad of dependencies
On 11/20/2015 09:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith
wrote:
I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but
"middle click paste" and the occasional odd bug keep annoying me enough
On 11/26/2015 06:32 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson
wrote:
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 15:40 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:34 +, Ian Ma
On 10/09/2012 02:17 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:31, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
?> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
allowing regular users to d
On 07/15/2013 10:55 AM, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
+1 - same here. You're far from being alone.
I'm still trying to get used to the new systemd in Fedora and still trying to
think why I need it. Altogether for my day to day use I find it as added
complexity with no real benefit cerca f15.
Unix/Linux
On 07/17/2013 08:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
that m
On 07/17/2013 11:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 17.07.2013 11:21, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
that moni
On 07/17/2013 11:21 AM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
> From: scl...@netwolves.com
> This seems like such a specious argument. Maybe it made sense when
> we were talking about disk drives
> that were megabytes in size, but now we have 500 gigabyte drives
> usually as a minimum.
You don't ever w
On 07/15/2013 08:29 PM, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:46:27PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
I don't actually care whether there's a binary journal or not, but far
more of us have real usecases for /var/log/messages, so we shouldn't
give up that being available by default.
If you use
On 07/18/2013 08:09 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Wed, 17.07.13 22:35, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote:
This should be simpler than forcing those stubborn mind (such as me) to change,
No?
We don't force anyone. You can just install rsyslog and you have
everything as you love it.
Lenn
On 07/19/2013 02:56 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote:
I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers.
I perhaps should have been clearer and say "two logging systems" which
we currently are doing and one of those cannot be disabled or removed so
On 07/21/2013 03:17 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 21:14, Adam Williamson a écrit :
I asked for evidence, not hypotheses. All you are currently doing is
making an assertion, over and over and over and over again.
Pot, kettle
On 08/29/2013 04:28 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 01:06:23PM -0700, Les Howell wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:04 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:02:27AM -0700, John Chludzinski wrote:
I've had a debate with some co-workers about whether or not a me
On 12/26/2012 11:26 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 12/25/2012 10:50 AM, Julian Sikorski wrote:
Dear list, Dear Lennart,
a week ago I have submitted a pulseaudio bug alongside with the patch
[1]. There was no response so far.
Knowing that Lennart is busy with systemd these days, I proceeded to
chec
On 01/08/2013 10:55 AM, Peter Jones wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 03:52:02PM +, Petr Pisar wrote:
On 2013-01-08, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
= Features/PackageSignatureCheckingDuringInstall =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageSignatureCheckingDuringInstall
* Detailed description:
On 01/29/2013 12:39 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 01/29/2013 05:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Alec Leamas wrote:
Please don't top-post [1]
[1]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message
It's amusing that it doesn'
On 01/29/2013 01:13 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 06:11:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Walk /sys/class/net, filter on type, filter out bridges, filter out
wireless if you want to. sysfs should have all the information you need
without name-based heuristics.
You have added
On 03/04/2013 07:05 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 04.03.13 10:24, David Highley (dhigh...@highley-recommended.com) wrote:
"Lennart Poettering wrote:"
On Mon, 04.03.13 07:56, David Highley (dhigh...@highley-recommended.com) wrote:
Twice now we have one Fedora 18 system where systemd s
On 03/06/2013 07:08 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Wed, 06.03.13 06:55, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote:
On 03/04/2013 07:05 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 04.03.13 10:24, David Highley (dhigh...@highley-recommended.com) wrote:
"Lennart Poettering wrote:"
On Mon
On 03/11/2013 05:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:45, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Per
On 03/12/2013 07:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.03.2013 09:55, schrieb drago01:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
On 03/12/2013 09:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote:
How many times do you boot your system each day? 10? Okay thats a
whole 20 additional seconds.
This is way up on my list of most non-sensical arguments about building
OSes
On 03/12/2013 02:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.03.2013 19:03, schrieb Chris Murphy:
i learned it many years ago by facing the boot-menu
Well you wouldn't learn it today because of how grub2-mkconfig and grubby
interact.
ah and because things got worser you would make it more worse
Yo
On 03/14/2013 06:52 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On 03/11/2013 08:49 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
On 03/11/2013 02:41 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
Yes, why not display the Grub menu?
Because it's the year 2013. Not 1999.
Whether any text is displayed or not, there still needs to be a long
enough
On 03/14/2013 07:06 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On 03/11/2013 10:48 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
(And on EFI systems that do not initialize USB anymore during POST, you
have to go through the OS to get into the boot loader anyway...)
That's going to be real fun when the OS
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