Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Pete Travis" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:18:15 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > On Apr 13, 2015 5:07 AM, &

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Pete Travis
On Apr 13, 2015 5:07 AM, "Radek Holy" wrote: > > > >> >> From: "Pete Travis" >> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> >> Sent: Friday, Ap

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Rave it" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 12:45:41 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 03:35:50 +0200 > > From: Kevin Ko

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Rave it
> Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 03:35:50 +0200 > From: Kevin Kofler > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * dnf-

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * dnf-yum is installed by default. By that I mean it is in the 'core' > group in comps next to dnf. [snip] > * If you wish to still use yum, the yum package provides now > a /usr/bin/yum-deprecated command that is the old yum > command renamed. It also has the notice mess

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 10:43 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 08:47 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > > Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 à 17:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > > > > It's hard to see how you build a perfect dep check other than > > > trying > > > to solve the de

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 08:47 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 à 17:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > > It's hard to see how you build a perfect dep check other than > > trying > > to solve the deps of *every single package in the distro* against > > every proposed

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Pete Travis" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:31:08 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > On Apr 10, 2015 4:39 AM, "Radek Holy" < rh...@r

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 at 10:22 Reindl Harald > > > Now, I admit that the second half is limping a bit. The information is > > available but it's not as easily accessible as you want it to be. If you > want > > to help us, I invite you to write a plugin that will show the > information you > > seek i

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.04.2015 um 10:00 schrieb Jan Zelený: We are talking about information that is irrelevant in 90+% of yum runs (allegedly, I wouldn't dare estimating this number myself). Hiding such information by default while making it available to people who really care about it sounds like a nice usabi

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Jan Zelený
On 10. 4. 2015 at 17:50:08, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 10.04.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > > W dniu 10.04.2015 o 16:29, Reindl Harald pisze: > >> well, that so called "crap" was in the past helpful to find out *which* > >> package pulls a cross-dep-chain while in the past 2 years yum a

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Jan Zelený
On 10. 4. 2015 at 16:21:14, Michael Schroeder wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 03:52:32PM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > > I've been using just `dnf update` to update my system for almost a year > > now > > and there is not a single package on my system that is not updated to the > > latest version in

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-12 Thread Mathieu Bridon
Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 à 17:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > It's hard to see how you build a perfect dep check other than trying > to solve the deps of *every single package in the distro* against > every proposed update. Can't we run repoclosure on (at the same time) the fedora repo

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 14:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > It is not so simple, you have to test all combinations for packages > > requiring an updated package and all the packages there requires > > someting > > provided by previous version of the package, with thousend of > > packages and > > mul

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Przemek Klosowski" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 5:01:19 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote > > I'm afraid not. From the ver

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Przemek Klosowski" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 5:13:49 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > On 04/09/2015 11:05 AM, Michal Luscon wrote: > > On 04/09/2015 05

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2015 um 17:01 schrieb Przemek Klosowski: On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that we will be as compatible as possible in terms of CLI but we never wanted to have just another yum. If that was the case, we w

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/09/2015 11:05 AM, Michal Luscon wrote: On 04/09/2015 05:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015 ^^^ the key part of DNF output Well, OK, but when I just re-run 'dnf update' it updates firefox now: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Michal Luscon
On 04/09/2015 05:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015 ^^^ the key part of DNF output -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that we will be as compatible as possible in terms of CLI but we never wanted to have just another yum. If that was the case, we wouldn't call the project differently. I am concerned

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Björn Persson
Jan Zelený wrote: > On 7. 4. 2015 at 18:34:49, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > Pardon, folks - But haven't we been told dnf was supposed to be yum > > compatible? > > I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that > we will be as compatible as possible in terms of CLI bu

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Michael Šimáček
On 2015-04-08 11:17, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: W dniu 08.04.2015 o 11:05, drago01 pisze: We do have dep solvers otherwise no one would notice that a dep is broken ever. (like libsolv + hawkey). So what bodhi should do is to ask "has this package all dependencies satisfied with base + updates +

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/04/15 11:10, Tom Hughes wrote: On 09/04/15 10:30, Radek Holy wrote: On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08:22:53 -0400, Radek Holy wrote: AFAIK, YUM's --skip-broken does two things: 1) it selects another version of the requested package if the most suitable cannot be installed 2) it skips the r

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/04/15 10:30, Radek Holy wrote: On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08:22:53 -0400, Radek Holy wrote: AFAIK, YUM's --skip-broken does two things: 1) it selects another version of the requested package if the most suitable cannot be installed 2) it skips the requested package if none of its versio

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Bruno Wolff III" > To: "Radek Holy" > Cc: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 5:03:46 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > > On Wed,

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "MJ" == Marcin Juszkiewicz writes: MJ> When I was Debian/Ubuntu developer it was easy. Pbuilder had hooks MJ> and one of them in my setup was "once built, install all resulting MJ> packages". MJ> This way as a developer I could check are results usable. Not found MJ> something like that in

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/08/2015 08:39 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: Putting the opinion of myself and the dnf team aside, I'd like to point out that the information you want is still available - dnf check-update will show you all

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08:22:53 -0400, Radek Holy wrote: AFAIK, YUM's --skip-broken does two things: 1) it selects another version of the requested package if the most suitable cannot be installed 2) it skips the requested package if none of its versions can be installed (2) was intentional

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 4. 2015 at 14:44:25, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On 04/08/2015 08:41 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > > On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >>> dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. > >> > >> WHAT? > >> > >> --skip-b

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread drago01
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 11:05 drago01 wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald > >> > wrote: >> >> >

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2015 um 14:39 schrieb Jan Zelený: On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: Putting the opinion of myself and the dnf team aside, I'd like to point out that the information you want is still available - dnf check-update will show you al

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 04/08/2015 08:41 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. >> >> WHAT? >> >> --skip-broken is a band-aid to work around packaging mistakes and bugs >> a

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: > > On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 > >>> > >>> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 4. 2015 at 11:05:20, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald >> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: > >> > >

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Bruno Wolff III" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 5:51:41 PM > Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 11:05 drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: > >> > >

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 08.04.2015 o 11:05, drago01 pisze: > We do have dep solvers otherwise no one would notice that a dep is > broken ever. (like libsolv + hawkey). > So what bodhi should do is to ask "has this package all dependencies > satisfied with base + updates + other packages in this push" for every > pa

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: >> > >> > >> > Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: >> > > >> > > On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > > > >>

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 April 2015 at 17:37, Adam Williamson wrote: > This is easier said than done. We don't have a perfect dependency > checker and it's not at all easy to write one. From someone that's actually written a yum-compatible dependency checker in C several years ago[1] I can attest that the --skip-bro

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: I had als

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 8.4.2015 v 08:41 Jan Zelený napsal(a): > On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 >>> >>> Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Jan Zelený
On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 > > > > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, > >> > >>Paulo César Pereira de Andrade > >> > >> wrote: > >>> I had also switch

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Jan Zelený
On 7. 4. 2015 at 18:34:49, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 04/07/2015 06:09 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 17:54 Bruno Wolff III > > > > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, > > > >Kevin Fenzi mailto:ke...@scrye.com>> wrote: > >

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 19:08 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:55:38 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: it masks the existence of a security update with broken deps and we *really* don't need another flamewar thread - it is a bad attitude to make such options the default I think it'

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:55:38 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: it masks the existence of a security update with broken deps and we *really* don't need another flamewar thread - it is a bad attitude to make such options the default I think it's much more likely there is a good security update

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 19:02 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: W dniu 07.04.2015 o 18:39, Ralf Corsepius pisze: skip broken - is pushing fedora users into chaotic situations. - to cheat fedora users and to play down the "real problems". In a perfect world skip-broken should not even exist. In a perfect

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 07.04.2015 o 18:39, Ralf Corsepius pisze: > skip broken > - is pushing fedora users into chaotic situations. > - to cheat fedora users and to play down the "real problems". > > In a perfect world skip-broken should not even exist. In a perfect world all Fedora packages would be always ins

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 18:30 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:00:47 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: that's unacceptable and leads in burry *real* problems resulting in sonner or later security updates are broken and nobody take snotice soon enough The skip broken feature is more

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/07/2015 06:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:00:47 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: that's unacceptable and leads in burry *real* problems resulting in sonner or later security updates are broken and nobody take snotice soon enough The skip broken feature is more li

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > > > > > Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: > > > > > > On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > > > > dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken alr

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/07/2015 06:09 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 17:54 Bruno Wolff III mailto:br...@wolff.to>> wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi mailto:ke...@scrye.com>> wrote: > >dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already.

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 16:09:46 +, Tim Lauridsen wrote: afaik, --best don't erase stuff, you need --allowerasing for that --bestTry the best available package versions in transactions. Specifically during dnf upgrade, which by default skips over updates that can not be installed for depen

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: >> >> On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> >>> dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. >> >> >> WHAT? >> >> --skip-broken is a band-aid to work around packagin

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:00:47 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: that's unacceptable and leads in burry *real* problems resulting in sonner or later security updates are broken and nobody take snotice soon enough The skip broken feature is more likely to help someone get timely security updat

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 17:54 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > >dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. > > Not when installing packages. > > > > >If thats not working and you need to find out more, add '--best' to

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. WHAT? --skip-broken is a band-aid to work around packaging mistakes and bugs and NOT be the default. IMO, this kind of behavior is not he

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: I had also switched back to yum in rawhide due to --skip-broken, and in a few updates not even needing it (I

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. Not when installing packages. If thats not working and you need to find out more, add '--best' to see things without 'skip-broken'. My understanding is that --best c

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, > Paulo César Pereira de Andrade > wrote: > > > > I had also switched back to yum in rawhide due to --skip-broken, > > and > >in a few updates not even needing it (I would first see what is > >b

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: I had also switched back to yum in rawhide due to --skip-broken, and in a few updates not even needing it (I would first see what is broken, and if not something "vital", use --skip-broken), while dnf would just fa

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 15:22 schrieb "Paulo =?iso-8859-1?b?Q+lzYXI=?= Pereira de Andrade =?us-ascii?q?=3Cpaulo=2Ecesar=2Epereira=2Ede=2Eandrade=40gmail=2E?= =?us-ascii?q?com=3E?=": 2015-04-07 9:53 GMT-03:00 Jan Zelený : [...] I think you might have misunderstood what's happening. We don't want to

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-07 9:53 GMT-03:00 Jan Zelený : [...] > I think you might have misunderstood what's happening. We don't want to offer Hopefully I did not :) > dnf as an alternative to yum. Dnf is its successor. Yum is deprecated by dnf > in F22 and is very likely going to be removed in one of the next r

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Jan Zelený
On 3. 4. 2015 at 08:34:16, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try > > and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please > > do feel free to correct me. ;) > > > >

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 16:18 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson : > As msuchy said, the best thing to do when you encounter something that > has been affected by the transition is to file a bug and get it fixed, > not just use an older release. I opened two bug reports: [mock with default dnf fails to install depend

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 16:18 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson : Hmm, let me see if I understand :) > mock should be adapted to dnf or changed to call yum-deprecated on F22 > and F23. > > the 'resolvedep' command was already marked as deprecated *in yum*: > > * resolvedep dep1 [dep2] [...] >(ma

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Michael Šimáček
On 2015-04-03 21:18, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 12:18 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: 2015-04-03 12:04 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade : 2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý : On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: DEBUG ut

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 12:18 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > 2015-04-03 12:04 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade > : > > 2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý : > > > On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > > > > DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: b

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 12:04 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade : > 2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý : >> On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: >>> DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: builddep. Please use /usr/bin/dnf >>> --help >>> DEBUG util.py:388: It could be a DNF

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý : > On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: >> DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: builddep. Please use /usr/bin/dnf --help >> DEBUG util.py:388: It could be a DNF plugin command. >> >> I will review using a release other than rawhid

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: builddep. Please use /usr/bin/dnf --help > DEBUG util.py:388: It could be a DNF plugin command. > > I will review using a release other than rawhide. Just install dnf-plugins-core. > But sudden

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-01 16:40 GMT-03:00 Kevin Fenzi : > There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try > and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please > do feel free to correct me. ;) > > In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that provided > /usr

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try > and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please > do feel free to correct me. ;) > > In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that prov

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * When you run 'yum' you get: > > % sudo yum list foobar > Yum command has been deprecated, use dnf instead. > See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information. > To transfer transaction metadata from yum to DNF, run 'dnf migrate' > Re

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 14:23:45 +0200 Jan Kratochvil wrote: > rpm/repoquery just do not support wildcards so one has to type: > repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(64bit)' > dnf repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(64bit)' > > > Jan Is this a different scenario? ~$ r

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Thu, 2015-04-02 at 14:23 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 09:50:05 +0200, Jiří Konečný wrote: > rpm/repoquery just do not support wildcards so one has to type: > repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(64bit)' > dnf repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 09:50:05 +0200, Jiří Konečný wrote: > When I'm using this command I get information which package contains > this library. > $ yum provides *libnetapi.so > > but when I'm using dnf command > $ dnf repoquery --provides *libnetapi.so Besides other replies to make it clear: There

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jiří Konečný
On Thu, 2015-04-02 at 13:32 +0530, Parag Nemade wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jiří Konečný wrote: > > On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 13:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try > >> and clear up things. In the event I am wron

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jan Silhan
> From: "Kevin Fenzi" > There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try > and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please > do feel free to correct me. ;) > > In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that provided > /usr/bin/yum, called

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi, On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jiří Konečný wrote: > On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 13:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try >> and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please >> do feel free to correct me. ;) >>

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jiří Konečný
On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 13:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try > and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please > do feel free to correct me. ;) > > In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that

dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to correct me. ;) In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that provided /usr/bin/yum, called dnf and conflicted with the yum pa