Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/04/2014 09:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 05:50:42PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/04/2014 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Do we really need another systemd thread? Yes, because Fedora has failed to discuss system and systemd development in advance before they had

Re: Nonresponsive maintainers: Takanori Matsuura

2014-09-04 Thread Dmitrij S. Kryzhevich
Still no actions. According to Policy for nonresponsive package maintainers. Takanori Matsuura did not respond on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1105916, contact email is silent too. Moreover, his last build on koji was in late 2012. As for both above mentioned, I want to take o

[Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Alpha to slip by one week

2014-09-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Today at Go/No-Go meeting it was decided to slip Fedora 21 Alpha release by one week due to unresolved blocker bugs [1] and no release candidate available. More details in meeting minutes [2]. As a result, ALL MAJOR MILESTONES, and their dependent tasks, will be pushed out by one week [3]. The n

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 04.09.14 12:19, Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Digimer wrote: > > This reminds me of the "Beefy Miracle" fiasco... Everyone complained after > > it happened, but few said or did anything before then. > > The scope of systemd has crept dramat

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/04/2014 07:13 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 04.09.14 16:11, Sérgio Basto (ser...@serjux.com) wrote: Hi, [1] since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ?

[Bug 1091913] perl-Config-Properties-1.77 is available

2014-09-04 Thread bugzilla
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Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Gregory Maxwell said: > The scope of systemd has crept dramatically since the start. If the > initial discussions of systemd said it would merge dhcp, udev, and > that it would push binary logging, etc. Do you really think it would > have gone without more vigorous opposition?

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Tait Clarridge
On September 4, 2014 at 3:19:09 PM, Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com(mailto:gmaxw...@gmail.com)) wrote: > It should be perfectly acceptable to tell people "Fedora is not for you.” I agree with this - although I suspect most of the long time Fedora users feel a sense of loyalty and would rat

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Digimer wrote: > This reminds me of the "Beefy Miracle" fiasco... Everyone complained after > it happened, but few said or did anything before then. The scope of systemd has crept dramatically since the start. If the initial discussions of systemd said it would mer

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 05:50:42PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/04/2014 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >Do we really need another systemd thread? > > Yes, because Fedora has failed to discuss system and systemd development in > advance before they had been deployed. Instead Fedora was c

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Kelly Miller
I have to admit, I love the claim that systemd is "anti-Unix". Isn't the fact that systemd makes use of systems that exist already, like DBus and udev, following the Unix philosophy of letting programs worry about their own problem space? The fact is, any system that is required to do system mana

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 12:05:52PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 09/04/2014 05:38 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > >On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > >>wouldn't it make sense to integrate a check into the processes, when people > >>leave Redhat, that the packages in

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.09.2014 um 17:11 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group > have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of > sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab > should be modular, for someone else c

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 04.09.14 16:11, Sérgio Basto (ser...@serjux.com) wrote: > Hi, > [1] > since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group > have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of > sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? It's a set of tools to build an OS from, no

Re: Dist-git for Copr

2014-09-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:34:57 +0200 Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Hi, > we (the Copr team) would like to allow uploading of source RPM to > Copr. It seems that best way is to utilize dist-git [1]. Then Copr > will fetch sources and spec file from dist-git and build SRC.RPM the > same as Koji does now. A

Re: [Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 05 September 2014 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Agenda: > - Lennart's proposal discussion, especially in relation to /etc: > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html > - Open Floor Phil, as I organize Akademy conferenc

[Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 05 September 2014 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Phil Knirsch
Agenda: - Lennart's proposal discussion, especially in relation to /etc: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html - Open Floor Thanks & regards, Phil -- Philipp Knirsch | Tel.: +49-711-96437-47

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/04/2014 05:38 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: wouldn't it make sense to integrate a check into the processes, when people leave Redhat, that the packages in fedora are properly orphaned or get a new owner? Why would even someone'

[Bug 1138351] epel7 branch

2014-09-04 Thread bugzilla
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Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Digimer
On 04/09/14 11:50 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/04/2014 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Do we really need another systemd thread? Yes, because Fedora has failed to discuss system and systemd development in advance before they had been deployed. Instead Fedora was confronted with completed fact

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/04/2014 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Do we really need another systemd thread? Yes, because Fedora has failed to discuss system and systemd development in advance before they had been deployed. Instead Fedora was confronted with completed facts. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lis

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 09/04/2014 05:11 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > OTOH , the support of systemd is not good, we got bug opened and they > are ignored as nothing happens, as for example bug > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088619 The bug is unresolved so far, but it is not ignored. At least there is a kn

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:14:59 -0400 Digimer wrote: > On 04/09/14 11:11 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > Hi, > > [1] > > since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the > > group have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of > > sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 4 September 2014 06:01, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/04/2014 01:35 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > And much like anyone else, people come and go. The difference is that >> here, when >> they leave, we know about it before emails start to bounce. >> > It's simply that the number of @RHs bei

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 16:11:37 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: Hi, [1] since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab should be modular, f

Dist-git for Copr

2014-09-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Hi, we (the Copr team) would like to allow uploading of source RPM to Copr. It seems that best way is to utilize dist-git [1]. Then Copr will fetch sources and spec file from dist-git and build SRC.RPM the same as Koji does now. And hopefuly you will be able to use fedpkg to interact with Copr.

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Haïkel
*sigh* Could we stop ranting every time, we speak about systemd ? Not only, it's tiresome but it does *not* help to fix the aforementioned issues. systemd and its upstream are not perfect, but systemd gains vs loss are by far positive. About systemd-network, there are perfectly valid arguments to

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:11:58 -0500 Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Tomasz Torcz said: > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > > > wouldn't it make sense to integrate a check into the processes, > > > when people leave Redhat, that the packages in fedora are > >

[PkgDB] limb:perl-File-Tail watchcommits set to Approved

2014-09-04 Thread pkgdb
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[Bug 1138351] epel7 branch

2014-09-04 Thread bugzilla
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[PkgDB] limb:perl-File-Tail approveacls set to Approved

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[PkgDB] limb:perl-File-Tail commit set to Approved

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[Bug 1138351] epel7 branch

2014-09-04 Thread bugzilla
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[PkgDB] limb:perl-File-Tail watchbugzilla set to Approved

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Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Digimer
On 04/09/14 11:11 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: Hi, [1] since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab should be modular, for someone else coul

New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Sérgio Basto
Hi, [1] since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab should be modular, for someone else could use his own crontab . OTOH , the support o

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tomasz Torcz said: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > > wouldn't it make sense to integrate a check into the processes, when people > > leave Redhat, that the packages in fedora are properly orphaned or get a > > new owner? > > Why would even so

pugixml update and soname bump

2014-09-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
I will be updating pugixml from 1.0 to 1.4 in rawhide shortly. This changes the soname from the currently fedora defined "libpugixml.so.1.0" to upstream's "libpugixml.so.1". Also, there are some compatibility changes: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34775202/compat_reports/pugixml/1.0_to

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 03:56:20PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/04/2014 02:26 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > >On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:01:41PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>On 09/04/2014 01:35 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > >>BTW: Though this threat started with FAS, one should also

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/04/2014 02:26 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:01:41PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:35 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: BTW: Though this threat started with FAS, one should also consider to take into account bugzilla accounts. There are two aspects t

Re: Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 13:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > As I was curious of any of my packages depends on > any of these I've run some repoqueries to see what > depends on these, and we still have a ton of > dependencies on these. > > So unless we want to drop a ton of packages, we real

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:01:41PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/04/2014 01:35 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > BTW: Though this threat started with FAS, one should also consider to take > into account bugzilla accounts. There are two aspects to consider here: * bugzilla is managed by RH IT,

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 08:08:47AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive > > maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On Thu 04 Sep 2014 01:35:53 PM CEST Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:38:52AM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: >> > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > >> > > Greetings, we've been told that the e

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive > maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in > maintaining their packages (and if so, have them update their email

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/04/2014 01:35 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: And much like anyone else, people come and go. The difference is that here, when they leave, we know about it before emails start to bounce. It's simply that the number of @RHs being involved into Fedora is quite large, which makes this happen m

Re: Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > As I was curious of any of my packages depends on > any of these I've run some repoqueries to see what > depends on these, and we still have a ton of > dependencies on these. > > So unless we want to drop a ton of packages, we really

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:38:52AM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > > > maintainers are no longer vali

Re: Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, As I was curious of any of my packages depends on any of these I've run some repoqueries to see what depends on these, and we still have a ton of dependencies on these. So unless we want to drop a ton of packages, we really need someone to pick these up: [hans@shalem ~]$ sudo repoquery --wha

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/04/2014 11:38 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Why would even someone's employment status matter? Fedora is a community project. In an ideal world, yes. Reality however tells, RH employees leaving RH and leaving the their packages abandoned is a problem. Ralf -- devel mailing list deve

F-21 Branched report: 20140904 changes

2014-09-04 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Sep 4 07:15:02 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [APLpy] APLpy-0.9.8-5.fc21.noarch requires pywcs [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.armv7hl requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0 [PyQuante] PyQuante-libint-

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Ondrej Vasik
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 14:44 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive > maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in > maintaining their packages (and if so, have

rawhide report: 20140904 changes

2014-09-04 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Broken deps for i386 -- [APLpy] APLpy-0.9.8-5.fc21.noarch requires pywcs [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.i686 requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0 [PyQuante] PyQuante-libint-1.6.4-11.fc22.1.i686 requires libint(x86-32) = 0:1.1.

Re: Firefox Gtk3 test package

2014-09-04 Thread Martin Stransky
On 09/03/2014 09:58 AM, Kẏra wrote: Testing has been great! I still really appreciate this repo. There have been a few firefox releases plus Fedora 21 is no longer rawhide so that could use its own repo. Any plans to update soon? I've been able to find these two bugs (though I haven't been able

Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
I've decided to orphan some packages: ORBit2 at-spi eog-plugins gamin gnome-themes icon-naming-tools libIDL libglade2 libgnomecanvas Please pick them up if you are interested in them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedo

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Johannes Lips
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > >On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > > maintainers are no long

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: >On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > maintainers are no longer valid.A I'm starting the unresponsive > maintainer policy to

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > > > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive > > maintainer policy to find out if t

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Johannes Lips
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive > maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in > maintaining their packages (and if so, have

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for two package > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive > maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in > maintaining their packages (and if so, have them update their email