On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock
> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>> My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
> >>> a
artitions".
[1] <http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier/Reveal_Codes>
/tj/
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From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 02:10
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On 3/18/2013 11:12
zier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 02:10
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> ...
> - Dennis
>
> PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue i
On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
...
- Dennis
PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for "Reveal
Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.
Hi, Dennis,
This is one of my favorites, too, and you might be of great help to my
work. I read somewhere that
Hi Rob,
But whatever the reason, I think it demonstrates that vote counts from
the earlier years are extremely difficult to compare fairly with
recent vote counts. And the fact that we don't even have a formal RFE
for iOS or Android, even though we get daily requests for this via
other means is
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
>>> anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether t
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
>> anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether they
>> are reset or ignored is immaterial to me. I'll
Le 20/03/2013 22:03, Rob Weir a écrit :
My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether they
are reset or ignored is immaterial to me. I'll just work on better
and more accurate ways of getting user feedback, that a
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
> anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether they
> are reset or ignored is immaterial to me. I'll just work on better
> and more accurate ways of getting user
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Top post.
>
> Since it's rather clear that there will never be any agreement about this,
> why doesn't PMC start a [Vote]?
> This topic is eating energy for nothing. There is no point arguing
> furthermore.
>
> If I understand correctly the pr
Top post.
Since it's rather clear that there will never be any agreement about this, why
doesn't PMC start a [Vote]?
This topic is eating energy for nothing. There is no point arguing furthermore.
If I understand correctly the problem (even if it was not exactly the initial
point from Jörg), t
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> Now, if we had a way to get the detailed counts on issues, and do this
> over time, then we could find a way of highlighting "trending issues",
> e.g., those that have recently been getting more votes, or more
> comments. (The number of users who
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a way to list bugs in order by the number of votes they've
>>> received? I couldn't find "votes" in the axis fie
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to list bugs in order by the number of votes they've
>> received? I couldn't find "votes" in the axis fields under tabular
>> reports.
>>
>
> You can use the vote coun
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> I was curious to check my intuition on this. So with a bit of effort
>> I was able to get the following data out of Bugzilla, showing the
>> yearly percentage of enhancement or feature i
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> I was curious to check my intuition on this. So with a bit of effort
> I was able to get the following data out of Bugzilla, showing the
> yearly percentage of enhancement or feature issue types have had at
> least one vote. So it is showing for
On 3/20/13, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti
> wrote:
>> Hagar Delest wrote:
>>>
>>> if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
>>> decisions
>>
>>
>> Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
>> user can v
; From: Rob Weir
>To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:25 AM
>Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
>
>On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Keith N. McKenna
> wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Keith N. McKenna
wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Resetting vot
Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
user can vote for and votes can be reallocated
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Joost Andrae wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> maybe it has other reasons like missing access to the former OOo login on
> the Apache infrastructure eg. one thing that went wrong with my OOo account.
>
But that doesn't explain the steady decline from 2002 to 2010, for example.
Hi Rob,
maybe it has other reasons like missing access to the former OOo login
on the Apache infrastructure eg. one thing that went wrong with my OOo
account.
There could be several reasons for this:
1) Older issues are better issues because they were entered by smarter
people. But then th
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Hagar Delest wrote:
>>
>> if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
>> decisions
>
>
> Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
> user can vote for and votes can be reallocated, so
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Guenter Marxen
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a little bit the impression, that Rob and Jürgen are not
> understanding, what is meant.
>
> There is no demand, that special issues shouldt be resolved asap.
> There is no demand, to give a date or release, when the issue is
Hi,
I have a little bit the impression, that Rob and Jürgen are not
understanding, what is meant.
There is no demand, that special issues shouldt be resolved asap.
There is no demand, to give a date or release, when the issue is resolved.
There is only the wish, issues not to reset or to dele
On 3/19/13 5:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/19 Rob Weir
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
>>> wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
> There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset t
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/19 Rob Weir
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> >
>>> >> There is no consensus here to
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/3/19 Rob Weir
>
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> >
>> >> There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are
>> >> more in touch
2013/3/19 Rob Weir
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
> >
> >> There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are
> >> more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust
>
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>
>> There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are
>> more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their
>> judgement.
>
>
> as a longtime
On 19 March 2013 01:21, Guenter Marxen wrote:
> I always have accepted, that the lack of ressources/developers prevents to
> solve some/many issues "in time", but I could hardly accept, that "old"
> stuff in bugzilla is reset/deleted and hence forgotten. I think, that some
> old users ("issuers")
Hi,
On 18.03.2013 18:08, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
On 3/18/13 5:34 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, RGB ES wrote:
2013/3/18 Rob Weir
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES wrote:
2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apa
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are more
in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their
judgement.
as a longtime "OpenOffice"-user (since StarWriter 2.0), I think that in
this case, R
Dave Fisher wrote:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who
are more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I
trust their judgement.
Indeed. No reasons to elaborate further. We have votes in Bugzilla; we
can only keep them and, in case we want to
Top post.
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are more
in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their
judgement.
Issues that are recent that get votes should be discernible by developers
looking at BZ. Any issue with a lot of votes migh
;
>> - Dennis
>>
>> PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for
>> "Reveal Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>> Sent: Monday, Mar
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 3/18/13 5:34 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>>> 2013/3/18 Rob Weir
>>>
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
>
>>
>>
>>> -Original
On 3/18/13 5:34 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/18 Rob Weir
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES wrote:
2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>>>
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/3/18 Rob Weir
>
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>> > 2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>> >>
>> >> > I'd say, "Thanks for the sug
2013/3/18 Rob Weir
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> > 2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> >>
> >> > I'd say, "Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
> >> > seriously, and user
t; "Reveal Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 06:13
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
>
> On Mon, Mar 18,
"Reveal Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 06:13
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>>
>> > I'd say, "Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
>> > seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas
2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>
> > I'd say, "Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
> > seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that
> > make it into the product. Thank you for using AO
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> I'd say, "Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
> seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that
> make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO."
Sounds fine for me.
> The titl
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>> A promise to do what?
>
> The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you have asked him to
> speak his mind.
>
>> But a feature request?
>
> This is an opinion of our users. It shoul
On 3/18/13 1:49 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>> A promise to do what?
>
> The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you have asked him to
> speak his mind.
>
>> But a feature request?
>
> This is an opinion of our users. It should b
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> A promise to do what?
The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you have asked him to
speak his mind.
> But a feature request?
This is an opinion of our users. It should be important to us.
> I see zero obligation, legal, [...]
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:41 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: A question
> -Original Message-
> From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:41 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
>
> Hi,
>
> sorry, for top-posting, but I have a
Hi,
sorry, for top-posting, but I have a general remark.
From my point of view the discussion on this thread went into the wrong
direction.
I think Jörg just mentioned issue 3959 as an _example_ for feedback from
users regarding feature requests via Bugzilla votes. I also think that
Jörg ment
> -Original Message-
> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
> This would be a very interesting approach that of course is indeed not
> completely new. If we wouldn't have useful patches in BZ I personally
> would of course support such an approach. Having a clean and fresh
On 3/17/13 10:13 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Any attempt to reset the votes would mean that once more, high scores
> are just ignored.
> Of course, nobody would browse the whole list of existing bugs, even to
> recast their own votes. So reseting the votes would only lead to forget
> about old bugs o
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> Sorry, I don't mean to say you did anything wrong. Not at all. But I
> do believe that there are only a small number real obligations for
> what kinds of issues we absolutely must address in the code:
>
> 1) We must re
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>
>> Developers work on what they want to work on. This is not a problem.
>> Most developers on the project today have their own list of items they
>> want to work on. That is fine. Maybe we get d
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> Developers work on what they want to work on. This is not a problem.
> Most developers on the project today have their own list of items they
> want to work on. That is fine. Maybe we get developers who don't
> have a preference and would be happy
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Hagar Delest wrote:
>>
>> if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
>> decisions
>
>
> Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
> user can vote for and votes can be reallocated, so
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Any attempt to reset the votes would mean that once more, high scores are
> just ignored.
> Of course, nobody would browse the whole list of existing bugs, even to
> recast their own votes. So reseting the votes would only lead to forget
> abo
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
user can vote for and votes can be reallocated, so it isn't necessarily
true that an old bug has more votes just because
On 2013-03-17 8:32 AM Rob Weir wrote:
I'm sorry that the troglodytes don't like that.
That is a very insulting comment. Why do you have to make derogatory comments to people who
disagree with your opinion? Where did you get you Masters in alienating people?
--
___
Any attempt to reset the votes would mean that once more, high scores are just
ignored.
Of course, nobody would browse the whole list of existing bugs, even to recast
their own votes. So reseting the votes would only lead to forget about old bugs
or old RFE.
Have office suites really evolved so
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Hagar Delest wrote:
>>
>> You must be talking about this one:
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120463
>> Of course this bug has zero vote. It's a huge regression
>
>
> Actually, the one to follow (fixed) is
> https://issues.
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 14/03/2013 15:10, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> But if only a small minority of users know about voting, and we have a
>> large collection of ancient votes, then the votes are less meaningful
>> and relevant. That's my main concern. I don't bel
Hagar Delest wrote:
You must be talking about this one:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120463
Of course this bug has zero vote. It's a huge regression
Actually, the one to follow (fixed) is
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121625
and my issue you specify above was ju
Le 14/03/2013 12:41, Rob Weir a écrit :
I'm not sure votes from 2002 are the most accurate way of determining
what users want. For example, I think we'd agree that the
most-critical issue in 3.4.1 is the profile-related crash. But the
Bugzilla issue for this has received *zero* votes:
http://p
Le 14/03/2013 15:10, Rob Weir a écrit :
But if only a small minority of users know about voting, and we have a
large collection of ancient votes, then the votes are less meaningful
and relevant. That's my main concern. I don't believe that the vote
counts necessarily reflect current reality. L
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
>> other sources.
>
> So maybe some kind of (a little bit) bond? In this respect, we agree that the
> desire for feedback only makes sense if one is willing to consider this
> feedback.
>
> But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
> other sources.
So maybe some kind of (a little bit) bond? In this respect, we agree that the
desire for feedback only makes sense if one is willing to consider this
feedback.
(Please, this is not an accusation, because I'm sure the feedba
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> Hello,
>
> By a request in the forum
> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61365), I get the information,
> the Issue #3959 was not implemented since 2002, although he has already
> received 355 votes.
>
> (Note: the implementati
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