Well said Joel ! I'm a strong believer in structured programing and
painless portability. Flex is by far the best there is out there at the
time being. It might be a while before others catch up. Until we are
provided with an alternative that does not deny us all software
architecture standards...
Hi Alex,
I like your statement “For me, a goal is to get someone to use Flex/FlexJS to
build a site or apps that people can't live without”, You are right! If Flex
Developers can build apps that draw many users to it, make it to be part of
their lives or businesses which they can’t live without
t;
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Chiverton
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
>
> On 31/10/2013 16:58, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
> > I'm guessing outside of this controlled environment, having the general
&
round the
native controls I don't know any other comparible cross platform.
-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
On 31/10/2013 16:58, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
> I'm guessi
On 31/10/2013 16:58, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
I'm guessing outside of this controlled environment, having the general public
access to an application would be the uphill battle you have laid out.
It depends on the audience though.
We're deploying to people who, generally, have multi-megabit AD
controlled environment, having the general public
access to an application would be the uphill battle you have laid out.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:40 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
T
The concept of shared libraries is sound, but IMO, has problems in a
constrained environment. I'm not sure what you mean by VC redistributable
libraries, but many years ago I worked on a large app that used the
Microsoft Foundation Classes as DLLs. That worked great because we still
shipped apps
Well, again, just my opinion, but while Jobs is/was very influential,
commercial success could have (and could still) trump his opinions. I'd
bet that in every relase of Windows and OSX, the compatibility testers see
what broke and discuss what they want to bring forward. So far Flash has
been on
Alex,
Well, as far as Apple is concerned on that end, it was kind of
self-fulfilling prophecy. They said people can live without SWFs, and then
used their clout to force everyone to recreate their content without Flash,
so the content was still there in some handicapped form, but it was a
passable
I don't see anything wrong with RSL's as long as they stay on the client
machine for the long term and not in a browsers cache. I mean it would be nice
if they were broken down into smaller subsets, but really it's no different
than having VC redistributable libraries.
-Mark
-Original Me
On 10/30/13 7:38 AM, "Tom Chiverton" wrote:
>On 29/10/2013 17:02, Alex Harui wrote:
>> to debug and test on all of the various browsers and platforms out
>>there.
>> It was doable at one point in time, but with the explosion of mobile
>That was what the Open Screen Project was meant to achieve,
On 29/10/2013 17:02, Alex Harui wrote:
to debug and test on all of the various browsers and platforms out there.
It was doable at one point in time, but with the explosion of mobile
That was what the Open Screen Project was meant to achieve, I thought,
outsourcing the Player development to the r
9 Oct 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
>Search for "Puffin Web Browser" on the App Store.
>https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/puffin-web-browser-free/id472937654?mt=8
>It has support for Flash.
>But it's so slow, even on simple flash pages...
The real key t
>Search for "Puffin Web Browser" on the App Store.
>https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/puffin-web-browser-free/id472937654?mt=8
>It has support for Flash.
>But it's so slow, even on simple flash pages...
The real key to this is in the detail. This is from the apple licensing
agreement:
"3.3.2 An
the best way to go while
mobile operating systems still use sandboxed browsers that block plugins.
-Original Message-
From: Maurice Amsellem
To: "dev@flex.apache.org"
Sent: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
> Because Apple wont allow you that s
On 10/29/13 9:49 AM, "Tom Chiverton" wrote:
>On 29/10/2013 16:35, f...@dfguy.us wrote:
>> Agreed 100%. What I always wondered is why someone, like mozilla,
>>google or even Adobe themselves, doesn't write a browser that has flash
>>player embedded in it as an app on the app store.
>Because Appl
27;s so slow, even on simple flash pages...
Maurice
-Message d'origine-
De : Tom Chiverton [mailto:t...@extravision.com]
Envoyé : mardi 29 octobre 2013 17:50
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
On 29/10/2013 16:35, f...@dfguy.us wrote:
> Agreed 100%.
On 29/10/2013 16:35, f...@dfguy.us wrote:
Agreed 100%. What I always wondered is why someone, like mozilla, google or
even Adobe themselves, doesn't write a browser that has flash player embedded
in it as an app on the app store.
Because Apple wont allow you that sort of app on iOS. Because the
ple can have confidence in the platform going forward. With flash
>> and air and then potentially js support it really is a great cross platform
>> solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Alex Harui
>> To: "dev@flex.apache.org&qu
On 10/29/13 6:40 AM, "f...@dfguy.us" wrote:
>Well the ability to control display objects however you want and the
>entire class structure is obviously different. So you essentially have
>everything on screen as a canvas. Plus the display list allows you to
>manage the organization of objects in
t;
Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
On 10/28/13 6:14 PM, "f...@dfguy.us" wrote:
My deal is I've always preferred the programming model in the flash
runtimes. The way you control graphics and objects and the organization
of flex project code is supe
If Shumway ever gets completed and officially supported, it could extend swf
format lifetime but it would also introduce a platform fragmentation.
>Think about it this way. Right now Flash Player is implemented in a
>combination of low-level programming languages and compiled for native code
>s
e-
> From: Alex Harui
> To: "dev@flex.apache.org"
> Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
>
>
>
> On 10/28/13 6:14 PM, "f...@dfguy.us" wrote:
> >
> >My deal is I've always preferred the programming model i
then potentially js support it
really is a great cross platform solution.
-Original Message-
From: Alex Harui
To: "dev@flex.apache.org"
Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
On 10/28/13 6:14 PM, "f...@dfguy.us" wrote:
>
>My de
Given the way this plugin/native thing is done (is it a plugin or not? the site
says it so), I think this initiative is less than interesting.
All in all, wouldn’t it best to do it ‘compile wise’ ? (interpretation, layers
over layers, etc … just for outputting to JS? what would be the pros ?)
Ce
If Shumway ever gets completed and officially supported, it could extend
swf format lifetime but it would also introduce a platform fragmentation.
Not sure if it could ever cover the entire functionality of Adobe Flash
player?
As I understand it, mostly because of 3rd party IP. Adobe has a busine
Maybe I should explain myself better (now that I'm not on a mobile device)
Because of Adobe's actions, I have ill-will towards Adobe.
On the other hand, because of Adobe's actions, I have more job
opportunities, and since I have switched over to JetBrain's tools, I also
have a much more productive
On 10/28/13 6:14 PM, "f...@dfguy.us" wrote:
>
>My deal is I've always preferred the programming model in the flash
>runtimes. The way you control graphics and objects and the organization
>of flex project code is superior. Also the use of components and
>extensibility of classes with flex and oo
nd framework to business given all of the focus on graphic
design, gaming and entertainment by Adobe now. Flex is great at eating data and
integrating with enterprise architectures ...
-Original Message-
From: jude
To: dev
Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on F
ational for Adobe to just give away
>> their runtime that they've invested lots of money in though too so that
>> probably won't happen. Maybe you could get firefox as an app on ios with
>> this plugin but maybe they don't allow other browsers besides safari.
>>
>>
en. Maybe you could get firefox as an app on ios with
> this plugin but maybe they don't allow other browsers besides safari.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Avi Kessner
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Mozilla takes o
On 10/28/13 2:08 PM, "Rupen Gosrani" wrote:
>Hi Alex,
>
> Ok, Great. I am going to help out in all aspects as you mentioned. Thanks
> for the links provided below, I will go through them and follow the
> directions you provided to update everyone with the prefix [FlexJS] in
>our
> discussions.
>
> products,
>>>> to maybe 5.
>>>>
>>>> brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
>>>> and the number 47
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, I'll b
>>>
>>>> OK, I'll bite. Stupid about what?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/28/13 7:04 AM, "Avi Kessner" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is adobe being so stupid? That's all I have to wonder...
>>>>>
>>>>>
star.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Look at the source code of this page.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rf
&g
pid? That's all I have to wonder...
>>>>
>>>> brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
>>>> and the number 47
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
>>>> maurice.amsel...
>>
>>http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rf
>> >>ile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf
>> >>
>> >> Interesting...
>> >>
>> >> Maurice
>> >>
>> >> -Message d'origine-
>>
>Shumway is a plugin.
It's not a plugin. You probably need to take a look at the project and the code.
Yes, they say in that article is a browser extension, but effectively it is a
core JS library that acts as a Flash Player virtual machine but executing
inside of the JavaScript VM. I am not s
/inspector/inspector.html?rf
> >>ile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf
> >>
> >> Interesting...
> >>
> >> Maurice
> >>
> >> -Message d'origine-
> >> De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
> >> Envoyé : lundi
;
>> Maurice
>>
>> -Message d'origine-
>> De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
>> Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36
>> À : dev@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
>>
>> Hi Sebastian,
>>
>&
On 10/28/13 6:36 AM, "Maurice Amsellem"
wrote:
>Hi Sebastian,
>
>Thanks for sharing the link.
>
>I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway seems
>more aimed at Flash SWFs.
IMO, Flash is rendering-centric, and browsers have been text and
interaction-centric and that dif
r browsers besides safari.
-Original Message-
From: Avi Kessner
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
Shumway is a plugin. It's a plugin that only runs on firefox. Apple is
not going to adopt it, as the reason they didn't
the runtimes have been optimized.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Maurice Amsellem
> To: "dev@flex.apache.org"
> Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 8:43 AM
> Subject: RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
>
> Look at the source code of this page.
>
>
>
n the full
desktop version and the runtimes have been optimized.
-Original Message-
From: Maurice Amsellem
To: "dev@flex.apache.org"
Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
Look at the source code of this page.
http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumwa
bject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>
> Why is adobe being so stupid? That's all I have to wonder...
>
> brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
> and the number 47
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
> maurice
eweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rfile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf
>
> Interesting...
>
> Maurice
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
> Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36
> À : dev@flex
:36
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
Hi Sebastian,
Thanks for sharing the link.
I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway seems more
aimed at Flash SWFs.
It would be interesting to make comparisons between the two, in terms of
performance , ev
-Message d'origine-
De : Sebastian Mohr [mailto:flex.masul...@gmail.com]
Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:17
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Mozilla takes on Flash
Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?
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> Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?
>
> [1]
>
> http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/10/mozilla-takes-on-flash/?goback=%2Egde_4296888_member_5797420905202204675#%21
>
>
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>
Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?
[1]
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