Agreed 100%. What I always wondered is why someone, like mozilla, google or even Adobe themselves, doesn't write a browser that has flash player embedded in it as an app on the app store.
There was a version of AIR for desktop for html projects that was basically this exact thing. Webkit was running inside of AIR and the javascript executed inside of the actionscript runtime natively. So it was just the reverse. So in those projects you could load in swfs and actually call them as Classes from javascript. I actually really like Adobe a lot but this is the kind of thing where I wish they would have done more to solve problems and support their developers etc. That being said, they probably had a lot of FUD being thrown directly in their face. -----Original Message----- From: Lee Burrows <subscripti...@leeburrows.com> To: dev@flex.apache.org Sent: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash While Adobe deserve some vitriol for the way they have handled Flash, i would say that Steve Jobs is the true villain - if Flash Player had been welcomed onto iDevices, it would still have a bright future and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But, as Igor says, no point crying over spilt milk. On 29/10/2013 14:29, Igor Costa wrote: > Too much hate from people with Adobe. > > IMO this is the way life is, get used to. Let's focus only on Flex and > FlexJS, past it's where it belongs history. Let's make another history here. > > Shumway is an effort to make browser plug-in free, part of every browser > vendor. > > > ---------------------------- > Igor Costa > www.igorcosta.com > www.igorcosta.org > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM, <f...@dfguy.us> wrote: > >> Well the ability to control display objects however you want and the >> entire class structure is obviously different. So you essentially have >> everything on screen as a canvas. Plus the display list allows you to >> manage the organization of objects in a nice clean way that is intuitive. >> Also my experience with both this and some modern js libraries leaves me >> preferring the code organization provided with flex projects, pqckages and >> classes. Javascript on the other hand can be more difficult to organize in >> a reuseable way. Then the javascript language itself is not very good. >> >> I like the idea of having a working exporter to port the projects to >> working js to target more platforms. I would just like to see Adobe >> continuing to improve the runtime and make improvements that support things >> like flex mobile. For example getting better native controls for inputs and >> media. I really like having the framework with Apache because it seems like >> everyone can get closer to the development and drive the new features. >> Really all that's needed in my mind is some solid footing from Adobe so >> that people can have confidence in the platform going forward. With flash >> and air and then potentially js support it really is a great cross platform >> solution. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> >> To: "dev@flex.apache.org" <dev@flex.apache.org> >> Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:36 PM >> Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash >> >> >> >> On 10/28/13 6:14 PM, "f...@dfguy.us" <f...@dfguy.us> wrote: >>> My deal is I've always preferred the programming model in the flash >>> runtimes. The way you control graphics and objects and the organization >>> of flex project code is superior. Also the use of components and >>> extensibility of classes with flex and oo actionscript since version 3 is >>> so much better tgan javascript. I just wish there was more of an >>> enterprise focus from adobe with the runtimes since it makes it a hard >>> sell for professionals trying to promote the use of the runtimes and >>> framework to business given all of the focus on graphic design, gaming >>> and entertainment by Adobe now. Flex is great at eating data and >>> integrating with enterprise architectures ... >> Not sure what your favorite parts are, but unless you are doing lots of >> graphics in Flex, the FlexJS effort is trying to keep the things you like >> about AS3 and get it to work without Flash. >> >> >> -- Lee Burrows ActionScripter
