Ya I understand the idea but I don't really see how or why they would do what you are describing. They paid a lot of money to acquire the runtimes and have invested a lot in developing it and supporting it. It's also containing other technologies they have had to license presumably. The benefit would be that it's somehow integrated into the html spec or something? Then you could hope that Apple safari implements it properly along with hoping the other browsers do it consistently? Why do this when they already are able to tailor their own investment the way they want consistently across platforms, it's free with a published spec as mozilla is utilizing, and they can focus on new features that make sense for their business goals?
I agree with the comment earlier regarding Apple's app-centric intentions. I thought it was pretty ironic to see pretty slow html5 performance on ios after all of the big outcry and open letter or whatever you want to call it. My deal is I've always preferred the programming model in the flash runtimes. The way you control graphics and objects and the organization of flex project code is superior. Also the use of components and extensibility of classes with flex and oo actionscript since version 3 is so much better tgan javascript. I just wish there was more of an enterprise focus from adobe with the runtimes since it makes it a hard sell for professionals trying to promote the use of the runtimes and framework to business given all of the focus on graphic design, gaming and entertainment by Adobe now. Flex is great at eating data and integrating with enterprise architectures ... -----Original Message----- From: jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> To: dev <dev@flex.apache.org> Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash *freemium in the loosest sense of the word as in this player part is free and there are these other tool parts you pay for. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not irrational for Adobe to give away their runtime. They make money > on it through DRM in video and other avenues. It's what they call a loss > leader or as you want to call it now freemium. They also make tools that > publish to it eg Flash Professional, FB, Flash Catalyst (rip), Illustrator > (publish to SWF), Photoshop (publish to SWF), Premiere (publish to SWF). > And once you have a SWF you can do many things with it including publish to > mobile, desktop and upload to the web. It also needs to be free for > adoption by users and developers. > > You can think more of Flash and AIR as a browser that renders the content > you give it. In that sense there is Firefox, Safari, IE and Chrome that > render and run HTML. Flash and AIR render and run SWF and can run inside > other browsers. In that sense it is a platform like the browsers that run > content. Adobe could have made their own browser at one point like Google > made Chrome and had an app store like Chrome and monetized it. They missed > that boat IMO. It's possible but would require a lot of marketing and > salvaging to get that to model to work. They could do it and it would be > amazing. But they don't know how to market and it would require a lot of > positive marketing and positioning. > > The other thing is Adobe kills the products it doesn't understand or maybe > they look at the figures of products and say they aren't doing well. For > example, Flash Catalyst may not have had a lot of numbers. Or developers > are using AIR for gaming and video so let's focus on those two things for > the future. Instead they should be asking themselves maybe we didn't market > Flash Catalyst well since the feedback was what is it used for and maybe we > should find out from developers why most of the AIR apps were gaming and > not applications. BTW I'm speculating here. > > One of the things Adobe did years ahead of the crowd was setup a > marketplace. This is before the App store, Google Play store and Amazon > store. They focused on components, plugins and filters. I don't think they > had apps. But they didn't handle the transactions and I know a few > developers including myself said this was an issue but apparently that > message didn't get to the right people. I knew a few developers selling > components and besides working on the components we had to create online > stores, online websites, setup advertising and more and without that > support it was too much work. If they would have stuck with it and made > improvements we might be in a different place by now. Anyway, the Apple App > store came along and took care of a few of the main pain points about the > business (and many other things) so that let developers focus on > development. I'm ranting again. I don't know what my point was. Oh yeah, > they should continue to improve FB and improve their marketing team and > promote what we all know is a > valuable-ahead-of-it's-time-so-don't-kill-it-but-wait-for-the-rest-of-the-industry-to-catch-up-and-continue-to-improve-it > technology. > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:40 AM, <f...@dfguy.us> wrote: > >> That's pretty fair I think. It's irrational for Adobe to just give away >> their runtime that they've invested lots of money in though too so that >> probably won't happen. Maybe you could get firefox as an app on ios with >> this plugin but maybe they don't allow other browsers besides safari. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Avi Kessner <akess...@gmail.com> >> To: dev@flex.apache.org >> Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash >> >> Shumway is a plugin. It's a plugin that only runs on firefox. Apple is >> not going to adopt it, as the reason they didn't adopt flash had nothing >> to >> do with performance (HTML5 also runs slow on iphones), and everything to >> do >> with competing with apps. It's not going to cause adoption. Though maybe >> it will remind Adobe to find a way to make the flash player a W3 standard. >> >> The irrationality bugs me to no end. >> >> brought to you by the letters A, V, and I >> and the number 47 >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM, <f...@dfguy.us> wrote: >> >> > This would be great in my mind for Flex and Flash in terms of reach. I >> > think Adobe will continue to improve the runtimes, which is great and >> > getting better. However, if this open source project could allow swf >> > content to be played on platforms (Apple) that purposefully block the >> > runtimes then that's even better! Then you could produce your content >> as an >> > swf etc and the browser would just take care of it however it needs to. >> > >> > Also, if this doesn't work out then maybe some of these hardware vendors >> > will just allow the runtime since the specs are finally fast enough to >> run >> > the full desktop version and the runtimes have been optimized. >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Maurice Amsellem <maurice.amsel...@systar.com> >> > To: "dev@flex.apache.org" <dev@flex.apache.org> >> > Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 8:43 AM >> > Subject: RE: Mozilla takes on Flash >> > >> > Look at the source code of this page. >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rfile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf >> > >> > Interesting... >> > >> > Maurice >> > >> > -----Message d'origine----- >> > De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com] >> > Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36 >> > À : dev@flex.apache.org >> > Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash >> > >> > Hi Sebastian, >> > >> > Thanks for sharing the link. >> > >> > I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway seems >> > more aimed at Flash SWFs. >> > >> > It would be interesting to make comparisons between the two, in terms of >> > performance , even if they are not at the same level of completion. >> > >> > Maurice >> > >> > -----Message d'origine----- >> > De : Sebastian Mohr [mailto:flex.masul...@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi 28 >> > octobre 2013 14:17 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Mozilla takes on >> Flash >> > >> > Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us? >> > >> > [1] >> > >> > >> http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/10/mozilla-takes-on-flash/?goback=%2Egde_4296888_member_5797420905202204675#%21 >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sebastian (PMC) >> > Interaction Designer >> > >> > Looking for a Login >> > Example<http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample>with >> > Apache Flex? This guy loves ... Flash Catalyst CS5.5, the >> > Designer&Developer Workflow and Design Tools for Apache Flex ... What do >> > you love? >> > >> > >> > >
