On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:39:50AM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> A man would usually be a terrible personal assistant (secretary) or
> kindergarden nurse, because men are weak in paralell-tasking, where
> women are strong.
> I found these things to be natural -woman is just naturally better
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org):
> > He may be a grown man with some other kind of problem - like no job -
> > these posts must take up some time for him to write and seem to be
> > becoming his sole occupation.
>
> Well, he certainly doesn't appear to have ever contributed anything e
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:24:01PM +0100, Amaya wrote:
> Exactly, the important part is the rest of the crowd reading reasonable
> replies sent by Miry. he will not chnage his mind nor stop trolling.
oops, seems I miss the point then, sorry for the noise, it's just
sometimes hard not to reply such
Kevin Mark wrote:
> Miry is doing an admirable job of trying to educate this fellow but he
> is not going to change his mind because someone provide a rational or
> reasonible argument.
Exactly, the important part is the rest of the crowd reading reasonable
replies sent by Miry. he will not chnag
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:23:09PM +, Lesley Binks wrote:
> I don't speak or read Slovak so can't translate the whois on the
> misbb.sk domain to determine anything other who his ISP is.
Ah, thanks for the hint; the website didn't seem to work for me, I didn't
think to check whois.
Domain-
2008/12/29 Peter Tuhársky :
> pressure. Generally, men are more into technology, although there are always
> exceptions in both sides.
Not true. In India we have a lot of women into technical education and
getting placed in tech jobs. This, considering that our society is
semi-feudal, is pretty go
2008/12/29 Peter Tuhársky :
> They all got there by their own experience, not by outside
> pressure.
I hope I'm not troll-feeding by saying this, but that sentence totally
cracked me up :D
As though experience could be entirely independent of outside
influence! ROTFL :))
Debian women, for good-n
8-)
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Kevin Mark
> wrote:
> > This fellow is someone who has trolled in the past, so I ignore his
> > emails. Is that not what I should do? Miry is doing an admirable
> > job of trying to educate this fellow but he is not going to change
> > his mind because some
2008/12/29 Kevin Mark :
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:18:00AM +1300, Brenda Wallace wrote:
>>
>> i'm shocked by how much sexist crap is posted to the debian-women
>> mailing list lately.
>
> Yes.
>
>> it's a magnet for folks who think women shouldn't be here. ... and
>> Miry almost on her own replyi
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Kevin Mark wrote:
> This fellow is someone who has trolled in the past, so I ignore his
> emails. Is that not what I should do? Miry is doing an admirable job of
> trying to educate this fellow but he is not going to change his mind
> because someone provide a rat
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:18:00AM +1300, Brenda Wallace wrote:
>
> i'm shocked by how much sexist crap is posted to the debian-women
> mailing list lately.
Yes.
> it's a magnet for folks who think women shouldn't be here. ... and
> Miry almost on her own replying to it.
This fellow is someone
i'm shocked by how much sexist crap is posted to the debian-women mailing list
lately.
it's a magnet for folks who think women shouldn't be here. ... and Miry almost
on her own replying to it.
Whatever dark ages society you're from Peter, know that there are places in the
world where men are i
2008/12/29 Peter Tuhársky :
> I'm not impressed. I know enough women that understood the difference
> between men and women, and happily let their husbands to fix things, install
> new devices into houshold and so on, instead of attempting to do it
> themselve. They all got there by their own exper
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> I'm not impressed. I know enough women that understood the difference
> between men and women, and happily let their husbands to fix things,
> install new devices into houshold and so on, instead of attempting to do
> it themse
I'm not impressed. I know enough women that understood the difference
between men and women, and happily let their husbands to fix things,
install new devices into houshold and so on, instead of attempting to do
it themselve. They all got there by their own experience, not by outside
pressure.
2008/12/29 Peter Tuhársky :
> For me, the answer is quite simple. The computing is almost technical
> industry, and therefore it is naturally more suitable for men, who are
> naturally strog in technical thinking and achieving the task milestones.
> Just like there are much more women in people-co
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:39:50AM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> For me, the answer is quite simple. The computing is almost technical
> industry, and therefore it is naturally more suitable for men, who are
> naturally strog in technical thinking and achieving the task milestones.
> Just like the
Amaya wrote / napísal(a):
By creating Debian Women, we are sending out the message that it is
definitely ok to be a female and and a geek, and we aim to create
visibility for those female users, developers, contributors... so that
they can serve as 'role models', or inspiration for other males
2008/12/27 Всеволод Величко :
> Excuse me, you are against sexism, but what you mention is the same -
> from the opposite side. That's the same "women's" sexism. If we should
> respect women's rights, may be women should do the same? Otherwise it
> looks very childish, sorry.
Well, just to make i
On Sunday 28 December 2008 12:30, "Всеволод Величко"
wrote:
> That message has been carbon-copied to debian-devel list. I'm not
> reading debian-women list. You think, this discussion should take
> place in d-d? I'm not sure.
Did Lisi's message go to the debian-devel list? If so I didn't receiv
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:11:22 +1100, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> They were needed, successful, and are still making a
> positive impact on Debian, in the existence of this mailing list and other
> aspects of the Debian Women project.
ack, and debian-women made and makes debian a better place, and not
Amaya wrote:
Peter Tuhársky wrote:
Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian
Women" community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and
Oh! Wait! What about the men!
I think you lac
This one time, at band camp, Michael D. Norwick said:
> Amaya wrote:
> >Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> >
> > > Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community,
> > > although I don't fully understand their effort to maintain a
> > > special "Debian Women" community. There is no "Debian Men"
> >
On Sunday 28 December 2008 08:06, "Всеволод Величко"
wrote:
> > You are right, the images there might be offensive to you as a man.
> > I am not sorry for that, sorry :)
>
> Excuse me, you are against sexism, but what you mention is the same -
> from the opposite side. That's the same "women's" s
On Sunday 28 December 2008 09:24, "Sam Kuper" wrote:
> I think that if a Debian developer posted an off-topic message to the
> mailing list in which people from Saint Helena were talked about in a
> derogatory fashion, it would be reasonable for that to be regarded as
> discriminatory, especially
2008/12/27 Всеволод Величко :
> 2008/12/27 Amaya :
>> When I reflected upon my need for approval, I also found my answer to
>> the one million dollars question: Why are there so few women in
>> computing?
>> For me, the patriachy is an acceptable answer. Find your own, it is an
>> enlightment trip,
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 09:11:22AM +1100, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> Amaya wrote:
>
> > My sorry attemps to get approval of our
> > project from male developers can be found in the list archives and proof
> > I had no idea what I was doing.
>
> The process of getting Debian Women going was certainly
Amaya wrote:
> My sorry attemps to get approval of our
> project from male developers can be found in the list archives and proof
> I had no idea what I was doing.
The process of getting Debian Women going was certainly painful for those who
were involved in the project very early on. But I woul
2008/12/27 Всеволод Величко :
> Excuse me, you are against sexism, but what you mention is the same -
> from the opposite side. That's the same "women's" sexism. If we should
> respect women's rights, may be women should do the same? Otherwise it
> looks very childish, sorry.
Something a lot of pe
Sorry me, community, I've missed first messages in the thread firstly.
I also hope, that this idiotic discussion will be closed soon.
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2008/12/27 Amaya :
> When I reflected upon my need for approval, I also found my answer to
> the one million dollars question: Why are there so few women in
> computing?
> For me, the patriachy is an acceptable answer. Find your own, it is an
> enlightment trip, and you do not need to aome
Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
> don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian
> Women" community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and
Oh! Wait! What about the men!
I think you lack some perspective.
Christian, your points hit precisely what I was getting at.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Christian Perrier wrote:
> The current hype and noise in -devel and other lists affects the
> relations between contributors of the project, that's a fact.
This is the main issue here for me. It was neve
Quoting Monique Y. Mudama (s...@bounceswoosh.org):
> Mostly, I feel sorry for the guy who posted this joke, because I don't
> think it was meant to be offensive -- it seems more likely to me that
> the developer is perhaps a little socially inept and misguaged his
> audience. Of course, something
2008/12/22 Peter Tuhársky :
> Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I don't
> fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian Women"
> community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and probably noone
> find enough time or reasons worthy of the e
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:47:45PM -0700, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2008-12-22, Peter Tuhársky penned:
> > Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
> > don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian Women"
> > community. There is no "Debian Men"
On 2008-12-22, Peter Tuhársky penned:
> Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
> don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian Women"
> community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and probably
> noone find enough time or reasons wor
On 2008-12-23, Michael Banck penned:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:59:51PM -0700, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
>
> The message was sent to -devel-announce, not -devel.
>
>> But I don't know if the message needs to be taken in context
>> with many other messages.
>
> It was a more or less direct paro
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:59:51PM -0700, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> The article linked to the mail message, which baffled me. More than
> anything, isn't the message simply off topic? I don't know, maybe I
> live in a fantasy land, but given the response on other technical
> lists to off topic m
On 2008-12-22, Elizabeth Krumbach penned:
> I'm sure many of you on the list have already seen this:
>
> "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post":
> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/1/0/
>
> And much of the related discussion. I'm s
On Mo, 22 Dez 2008, Noah Slater wrote:
> > > Troll. Troll. Troll.
> >
> > I hope that's not referring to John's email.
>
> Are you kidding?
I agree with the OP, that was not trolling, that was just getting things
straight. Women are also sexists, often!
Best wishes
Norbert
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:01:04PM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> Amayita
[snip]
> american social identity problems.
FAIL.
Neil
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Peter Tuhársky dijo [Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:01:04PM +0100]:
>
> As of the overwhelming reaction to the mail, I can partially
> understand the reaction, when I look at Amayita website.
Ok... This is just one more evidence of the trollness of this
thread. Do you have an issue with Amaya? Many peopl
> I am not a dev or woman but I believe that sexism,racism and any other
> ism you want to add is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly and
> swiftly.
I fully agree. And I don't like anyone to insult others, NO MATTER THE
GENDER!
I have read the "incriminating" mail and I don't found anyt
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Kevin Mark wrote:
> So are you saying that the conduct of a few folks on
> -devel or -project is sufficient for you to leave? Or an 'insufficient'
> response by the DPL? or by other list members? I suspect that you are
> leaning towards 'yes' and also Miriam. It w
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 06:23 +, Noah Slater wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:59:30AM +, Sam Kuper wrote:
> > 2008/12/22 Noah Slater :
> > > Troll. Troll. Troll.
> >
> > I hope that's not referring to John's email.
>
> Are you kidding?
>
> This implies that someone disagrees with him.
> So, as for the subject of the email and after related threads on
> debian-devel, this whole thing has all made me pretty sad. The general
> culture of the project lately has made me feel uncomfortable and
> unwelcome. A lot of people on debian-devel are talking about folks
> being too sensitive,
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:57:03PM -0500, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:
> I'm sure many of you on the list have already seen this:
>
> "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post":
> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/1/0/
>
> And much of
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:59:30AM +, Sam Kuper wrote:
> 2008/12/22 Noah Slater :
> > Troll. Troll. Troll.
>
> I hope that's not referring to John's email.
Are you kidding?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:36:05PM -0500, John Wiggles wrote:
> I am not a dev or woman but I believe that sexism,racism
Elizabeth,
I've been a professional software engineer for many decades.
I've managed and been managed by people of both genders and
most sexual orientations and many races and many religions.
In my experience the field of software engineering is not
perfect but it is less discriminatory than most.
2008/12/21 Elizabeth Krumbach :
> I'm sure many of you on the list have already seen this:
>
> "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post":
> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/1/0/
>
> And much of the related discussion. I'm surprised
2008/12/22 Noah Slater :
> Troll. Troll. Troll.
I hope that's not referring to John's email.
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Troll. Troll. Troll.
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I am not a dev or woman but I believe that sexism,racism and any other ism
you want to add is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly and swiftly.
Shame on the Debian Project leaders for not coming out against these people
who think that making jokes that degrade,insult and basically hurt the
fe
I'm sure many of you on the list have already seen this:
"Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post":
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/1/0/
And much of the related discussion. I'm surprised there hasn't been
discussion about it on this list.
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