On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Kevin Mark <kevin.m...@verizon.net> wrote: > So are you saying that the conduct of a few folks on > -devel or -project is sufficient for you to leave? Or an 'insufficient' > response by the DPL? or by other list members? I suspect that you are > leaning towards 'yes' and also Miriam. It would be sad for Debian to > loose folks to such circumstances. I dont know how Debian as a community > can address such an issue. Would you suggest that they be thrown out? > Would there be sufficient support? If there was not, what would that > mean for Debian?
As I said, I wouldn't leave, in the areas of Debian I spend my time there are some supportive and friendly folks. I just have my reservations about expanding my involvement in the future and right now I'm reluctant to recommend development within Debian to my thin-skinned peers. I don't have a suggestion on how to address it, it's a delicate issue and I think there are others who are more involved with the project culture who can help answer this question. I think that's part of the reason an entire Debian Women project exists. My mail was simply to say that I may have difficulty expanding my involvement due to the culture on some of these lists, I am trying to start a discussion. And if the main solution here comes down to "ignore things that offend you, Debian is just like that" that's fine, but it means this might not be the right place for me to contribute a lot of time to. And I am saying "may/might" a lot, as we all know there are a lot of variables that go into a choice to contribute. Perhaps when the dust settles I will choose that ignoring the negativity and forging ahead is the way to go because working on Debian is worth it, but I don't believe I'm the only one questioning things right now and we all may make different choices. > I understand that so far Ubuntu has been good in enforcing its 'code' to > limit *-ist comments on irc and MLs, which I like. I hope its the same > in 10 years. Me too. Ubuntu hasn't been perfect over the years, but I believe having a CoC in place has gone very far to limit the ability for negativity to spread throughout the project. And I'd like to stress that I wasn't quite jumping on the "Debian needs a CoC" boat. I understand the reluctance here. My mention of it was simply to illustrate that today in F/OSS, when I look for projects to volunteer my time with a CoC is an appealing positive. I sincerely hope this is all just typical freeze/release-related trouble and will certainly stick around through it all. I think part of what I wanted to hear and will impact how I move forward was what has already come up in this thread: "this is just a noisy minority" "most of the project doesn't feel this way" "it's freeze and this always happens, wait it out and things will get better" etc. Seeing *some* positivity goes a long way right now. Cheers, -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
