On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 08:55:56AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> On 24.06.24 23:20, tho...@goirand.fr wrote:
> > I see it as signing the very thing that is pushed to the Debian archive.
> > You aren't uploading a bunch of git SHA to the archive but a source
> > package. It feels very normal that
On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 03:31:25PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> On 13.06.24 10:26, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > Yes. A proposal that has not yet engaged with the complexities of
> > 3.0 (quilt) is not one in which we can yet have any confidence.
>
> The proposal simply intends to do whatever the u
Hi Sean,
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 06:25:02AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
>
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
Question. Does the tag signer need to trust the remote vcs and its admins at
the
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 10:06:45PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08/12/23 at 21:58 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > [ ] Choice 1: CRA and PLD proposals include regulations detrimental to FOSS
> > [ ] Choice 2: The EU should clarify that non-commercial FOSS is exempted
>
> "non-commercial
May I suggest for proposal C:
"The EU should not overrule DFSG 6 and FOSS licenses"
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 07:19:44AM +0300, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> Can people make suggestions for the ballot options text?
>
> Kurt
>
> On November 30, 2023 12:39:38 AM GMT+03:00, Kurt Roeckx
> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 01:07:21AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 04:36:29PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:07:29PM +0100]:
> > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:25:17AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > > This is also something we discus
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 07:59:01PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf writes:
>
> > But I believe our project is _first and foremost_ a political
> > statement (that produces a first-grade technological artifact).
>
> I understand your position, but I see this exactly in the opposite way.
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 07:55:01AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Hello Bart,
Hi Gunnar!
>
> Bart Martens dijo [Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 07:16:48PM +0100]:
> > Hello, I hereby welcome seconds for adding this text to 2023/vote_002
> > as a separate proposal.
>
> Thanks fo
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 10:30:01AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 20:35, Bart Martens wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 06:46:06PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > >
> &
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 06:46:06PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > I feel like we're getting trapped by big corp and their lobbying
&g
Hello, I hereby welcome seconds for adding this text to 2023/vote_002
as a separate proposal.
START OF PROPOSAL TEXT
Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the
Product Liability Directive (PLD)
The CRA includes requirements for manufacturers of software, followed
up
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 11/20/23 00:21, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> > this point:
[...]
>
> Thanks a lot for taking the time to word out things this way.
>
> However, I really think th
On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 11:43:27AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Bart" == Bart Martens writes:
>
> Bart> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:52:31PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >> I wonder if we should have something like "Free softw
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:44PM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 15:51, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <
> perezme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:50, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > > Whether accepting donations *in general* makes your activity in
>
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:52:31PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> I wonder if we should have something like "Free software development by
> nonprofit organizations" somewhere.
Are we now drawing a line between profit and nonprofit? In my view, with Free
Software it should not matter who produces,
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 08:58:23PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:28:23PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:18:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > > Kurt Roeckx writes:
> > >
> > > > I welcome suggestion for t
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:18:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Kurt Roeckx writes:
>
> > I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.
>
> Tentative proposal, and the proponents of other options should jump in and
> correct these.
>
> A: "Only one installer, including non-free firmware"
> B: "Rec
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 02:16:53AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> However, I feel strongly that the non-free installer *has* to be
> handled differently. If not, we're choosing to fail on (some of) our
> principles. This is why I'm here with this GR after all.
So do I. Or does proposal A describe
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 10:13:26AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-09-10 at 09:16 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
> > So the practical problems facing people requiring non-free software
> > appears solved or possible to solve.
>
> As I understand it there are two problems solved by proposa
On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 08:01:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
> On 2022/09/09 18:04, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > We encourage careful review of the licensing of these packages before
> > use or redistribution, since the guarantees of the Debian Free
> > Software Guidelin
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:00:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> I think the problem is with "non-free section". I think Steve looks at
> that like the non-free-firmware section is now allowed. I suggest you
s/now/not/
> just rewrite it as: "containing non-free software from the Debian
> archive".
H
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:00:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > >
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:00:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > >
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:25:44PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> >> >
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote:
> >> > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's
On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote:
> > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original
> > proposal.
> >
> > =
> >
> > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> > and live ima
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> So, I propose the following:
>
> =
>
> We will include non-free firmware packages from the
> "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official
> media (installer images and live image
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 09:22:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:33:15AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> > Hi Steve (and everyone else),
> > > I believe that there is reasonably wide support for changing what we
> > > do with non-free firmw
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:33:15AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> Hi Steve (and everyone else),
> > I believe that there is reasonably wide support for changing what we
> > do with non-free firmware. I see several possible paths forward, but
> > as I've stated previously I don't want to be making
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 09:49:14PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hi Simon!
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 09:06:38AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> >
> >Thereby re-inforcing the interpretation that any installer or image with
> >non-free software on it is not part of the Debian system, but that we
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 11:02:09PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> If you believe that any of the options conflict with the DSC, I would
> like to see a discussion about that too.
>
> It's my current interpretation that all voting options, even if they
> might conflict with the DSC, will be on the bal
On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 01:02:31PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 18:03:30)
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 04:18:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16)
> > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:0
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:39:42AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Bart Martens dijo [Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:59:44AM +0200]:
> > > > If you mean official media, this is more radical than Steve's proposal.
> > > > It would permit arbitrary non-free packages as lon
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 04:18:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16)
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial:
> > > Explicitly spelling out whether or not
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:31:19AM +0100, Phil Morrell wrote:
> From absorbing this lengthy thread, my impression is that most folks are
> considering the nature of "officialness",
I would keep that separate from this GR.
> therefore I'd like to ask any
> proposed text to elaborate on intentions
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 06:36:36PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 08:18:55AM -0700, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> > Hi Bart,
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:12:48AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > The Debian project is permitted to make
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 08:18:55AM -0700, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> Hi Bart,
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:12:48AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> > and live images) containing packages from the no
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial:
> Explicitly spelling out whether or not images containing non-free bits
> are official part of Debian or not. Personally I find it obvious that
> anything that would not be allowed into mai
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 07:14:26PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 10:12:48)
> > =
> >
> > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> > and live images) containing
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 04:39:27PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 06:20:15PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
>
> > With this GR proposal there would no longer be an installer without those
> > non-free bits.
>
> Would you consider proposing an alternativ
Hello,
I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original proposal.
=
The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
and live images) containing packages from the non-free section of the Debian
archive available for d
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 03:33:27PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 05:04:49PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I would find it problematic if the official way to install Debian
> > *required* a non-DFSG image.
>
> would you also find it problematic if there were *two* offic
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:32:23AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Bart Martens dijo [Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 06:24:32PM +0200]:
> > > > We will include non-free firmware packages from the
> > > > "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:30:43PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> I would consider making both installers equally easy to find a better
> outcome than the current status quo, where the version which is more
> likely to be useful for modern laptops is kept hidden and hard to find
I like your idea of
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 05:57:36PM +0200, Tobias Frost wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 05:48:28PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Tobias Frost writes:
> > That seems incorrect. Here is a quote from the proposal:
> >
> > We will include non-free firmware packages from the
> > "non-free-fir
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 03:57:01PM +0200, Tobias Frost wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 07:39:21AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Ansgar writes:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2022-08-19 at 16:23 +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
> > >> Do we need to update the Debian Social Contract for that?
> > >> Specificall
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 11:36:33PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 16594 March 1977, Timo Lindfors wrote:
>
> > 3) Ensure that the filename of the installation media includes
> > "non-free-firmware" or something similar so that it is clear to
> > everyone what they are getting into. Debia
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 05:00:47PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> The constitution says:
> 3. Votes are taken by the Project Secretary. Votes, tallies, and
>results are not revealed during the voting period; after the vote
>the Project Secretary lists all the votes cast. The voting
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:51:40AM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
> Updated text:
> ---8<---8<---8<---
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>
> Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (
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On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 09:19 +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
> Updated text:
> ---8<---8<---8<---
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether
> Richard
> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>
> Any indiv
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:53:23PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On this particular issue, I feel it's better that individual
> developers go and make their voices heard.
Thank you Jonathan! I really hope most DDs feel the same way.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:25:19PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Can't you just express your opinion by yourself, by signing the letter?
I'm with Thomas on this.
Hello DPL candidates,
A question about diversity. We all know that some profiles are
underrepresented: gender, etnic group, disability, age, sexual preference,
education degree, rich/poor, spoken & written languages...
1/ One way of addressing this, is actively BENEFIT the underrepresented
profil
On Tue, 2016-09-20 at 21:22 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:17:46AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2016-09-01 at 23:15 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > >
> > > === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
> > >
> > > Title: A
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 05:07:47PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> * We do not want to introduce any new barriers to declassification.
I do.
Regards,
Bart Martens
l.
I would also second the GR proposal without article 2, but I think it's good to
include it so the GR proposal may win some more votes from DDs who want
debian-private to be used for truly private stuff only, and have Debian related
stuff discussed on the public mailing lists.
Regards,
Bart Martens
> 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the Debian Social Contract, Debian
> Developers are strongly encouraged to use the debian-private
> mailing
> list only for discussions that should not be disclosed.
>
> === END GR TEXT ===
Seconded.
Bart Martens
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2016/vote_002 does not include any means
for the original authors to prevent declassification.
Regards,
Bart Martens
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 04:53:09PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote:
> * Bart Martens [2016-08-07 13:58:46 +]:
>
> > Hi Nicolas,
>
> Hi,
>
> > On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 02:54:36PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote:
> > > In my opinion the only point in thi
has not been put in the message.
Then the text of GR 2016/vote_002 should have reflected that.
I have now voted against GR 2016/vote_002 because it allows declassification of
anything ever posted on debian-private against the authors' will. I hope that
everyone fully realizes that before voting.
Regards,
Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 07:35:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bart Martens writes:
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 05:09:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> >> note that free software interfaces to proprietary cloud platforms are
> >> frequently used to manipula
o me. But then the part "which require
software outside of the distribution to either build or function" in
debian-policy should be replaced by something like "which causes software
outside of the distribution to be installed on the local system".
Regards,
Bart Martens
unction". Why do we make exceptions depending
on how "ironic" things are ?
Regards,
Bart Martens
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phrase "require software outside of the distribution to either build or
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that it's a fight that's worth fighting?
It's not about legal problems the Debian project could get in trouble with.
But it is related to one of the core goals of the Debian project.
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On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 23:45 +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> --
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Suggesting to vote for "Choice 2: John Doe 2" ? :)
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most DC's
will feel happy with the recognition of being an official DC, and don't
mind (or mind less) working via an active sponsor. The term "non-DD"
sounds negative, almost insulting. The term "Debian Contributor" is at
least honorable, and something to brag about. :)
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On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 16:24 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 01:48:52PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:02 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > > On Friday 27 July 2007 12:22, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> > > > As a subscriber to
recognition of being a worthy contributor to
Debian.
So I think that I will probably vote "further discussion" for the GR. I
really worry about the quality of what gets uploaded to Unstable if
non-DD's get upload rights more easily. No offence meant to anyone in
particular ; I
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 10:02 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Bart Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > My point is that the Debian project has no responsibility in the
> > mentioned personal dispute, so the Debian project should not apologise
> > for not resolving that
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 20:06 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Bart Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > GR's are, in my opinion, meant to handle more general decisions, like
> > describing to what extent the listmasters are authorized to [silently]
> > take actio
s to keep order on the mailing lists.
Regards,
Bart Martens
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On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 17:30 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> By this resolution, the Debian Project resolves that :
>
> = START OF THE GR text =
> - No part of the Debian Infrastructure, is the sole province of a few select
> Debian Developpers, but is under the responsability and ownersh
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 00:57 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> I'm don't think we're doing so badly.
>
> Ben.
>
I agree with that.
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On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 03:01 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Sven Luther]
> > So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
> > everything is justifiable
>
> Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
> is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots o
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