Re: Moderated posts?

Tanstaafl writes: > On 10/17/2014 9:24 PM, lee wrote: >> You do not accept messages you can not deliver unless you are relaying >> them. > > Absolutely wrong, this rule fully applies to relays just as it does > final destination servers. I'm not sure what you mean. How will you know whether me

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:37:13 +0100 Brian wrote: > > primary_hostname is used as the HELO but Debian doesn't set it. Also, > the exim maintainers aren't very keen on your using it in a > configuration file. > > Many mail servers have a public IP address, and it makes sense to use the machine'

Re: Stuck in update

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:21:58PM -0400, Alan Greenberger wrote: > This morning I tried to update a wheezy recently upgraded from squeeze. > It didn't work and I am stuck. > > # aptitude update > # aptitude > g > u You update aptitude twice? > These packages could be upgraded, but they have

Re: Good news on claws-mail

Le 18.10.2014 22:44, John Hasler a écrit : Steve Litt writes: The process, the questions it asked, and the automatic collection of my computer's configuration made submitting the bug trivial. *Every* project should have one of these. Unfortunately as soon as you mention email their ears clos

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder if one can avoid a complete reboot of the system just by > halting the operating system but right after load the initramfs and > restart from there? I don't think you can quite do what you're thinking, but the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > napísal: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [sni

Re: Good news on claws-mail

Le 19.10.2014 17:03, Steve Litt a écrit : Rapid Application Development, Army Surplus style, which of course makes me a pariah in the eyes of "real" programmers. Life's tough. Real programmers don't need RAD, they only use butterflies (1). About RAD and interpreted languages, I do not really

Re: Problem with quotatool

Am 2014-10-19 um 13:47 schrieb lee: >> I have a problem on 2 Wheezy installations in Vmware, if I want to set >> quota for a user: >> >> bastelecke:~# quotatool -u tutor -bq 2000M -l 2500M / >> quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such file or >> directory > > Which version o

Re: download files from iceweasel using kdialog

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:29:11PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 20/10/14 00:16, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Ferguson > > > > wrote: > > > > On 19/10/14 23:32, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > >

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Sb, 18 oct 14, 11:29:32, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > I still noticed a curious fact > Impossible to find what package provides /etc/samba/smb.conf > "apt-file search smb.conf" only gives /usr/share/samba/smb.conf, > from samba-common. > /usr/share/samba/smb.conf and /etc/samba/dmb.conf

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Le 18.10.2014 07:06, Steve Litt a écrit : If they vote "no" on the GR, then I think that unless Red Hat succeeds in systemdizing X itself, we'll (meaning those of us who care) will replace systemd-contaminated software with init-agnostic software. And for sure, boycott all systemd-dependent sof

Re: Good news on claws-mail

Le 19.10.2014 16:15, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:47:03 +0200 Peter Nieman wrote: By the way, I am a desktop user, using fvwm. But I don't want all my applications to "look and feel" the same, I don't want everything to interact with everything, and I want to control my comput

Re: unattended-upgrades

On Du, 19 oct 14, 14:46:07, Chris wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having no luck getting unattended-upgrads working on a Wheezy server. ... > 2014-10-19 14:38:11,709 INFO No packages found that can be upgraded unattended Seems like there's nothing to upgrade. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.or

Re: terminology: how do you change the foreground colour?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 01:49:17PM +0200, lee wrote: > Hi, > > the subject already says it: How do you change the foreground colour in > terminology? I can only set the background. What? ... Where? ummm ... http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- "If you're not careful, the new

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:35:15 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 oct 14, 11:29:32, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > > > I still noticed a curious fact > > Impossible to find what package provides /etc/samba/smb.conf > > "apt-file search smb.conf" only gives /usr/share/samba/smb.conf, > > f

Re: Moderated posts?

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 23:17:28 +0200 lee wrote: > Tanstaafl writes: > > > On 10/17/2014 9:24 PM, lee wrote: > >> You do not accept messages you can not deliver unless you are > >> relaying them. > > > > Absolutely wrong, this rule fully applies to relays just as it does > > final destination ser

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:13:38 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I wonder if one can avoid a complete reboot of the system just by > > halting the operating system but right after load the initramfs and > > restart from

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

Hi. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:13:38AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > The other alternative, for a "lighter" reboot is to drop to runlevel 1 > (or single-user.target, in systemd's parlance). This will stop all the > mutli-user services (X, httpd, sshd and so on) and bring you to a point > wher

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote: > Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no > longer worked. Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you get any errors if you start it from a terminal? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQs

Re: terminology: how do you change the foreground colour?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 01:49:17PM +0200, lee wrote: > Hi, > > the subject already says it: How do you change the foreground colour in > terminology? I can only set the background. $ tput setaf 2 && echo This text is green. See man tput for more information on how to control your terminal >

Re: download files from iceweasel using kdialog

On 20/10/14 04:30, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Scott Ferguson > > wrote: > > Apologies - I forgot to include this this:- > > Previously I have had the *alternative* file picker thingy (I assume > tha

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

DM> I think it depends on what you're trying to achieve and what you're DM> trying to avoid. Well my first idea was to have a kind of management OS that I can load in memory to do some stuff like disk partitioning, fsck, etc... For example one idea I have in mind is BTRFS snapshots. I can ta

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: I'm guessing /usr/share/samba/smb.conf is copied to /etc/samba/smb.conf in some postinst script (probably of samba-common). Yes, but if it does that, why is it complaining that /etc/samba/smf.conf is missing? best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel --

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:19:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >I'm guessing /usr/share/samba/smb.conf is copied to /etc/samba/smb.conf > >in some postinst script (probably of samba-common). > > Yes, but if it does that, why is it complaining that /etc/samba

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: > On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: >> As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch >> falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks >> off your seafront house? >> >> If you are taking offense, who are you offended by?

Re: Moderated posts?

On 10/20/2014 7:18 AM, Joe wrote: > I think it's generally an admonishment not to get involved in relaying. No, it is generally an admonishment not to get involved with relaying if you do not have *access* to validate recipients. There are multiple ways this can be achieved. Easiest is what pos

Re: Problem with quotatool

On 10/20/2014 6:58 AM, Peter Buzanits wrote: > VMware ESX 4.0.0 Build 236512 That is really old... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54450b4f.5070...@

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

SW> See Qubes SW> SW> Its what Amazon uses for AWS. Its based on Fedora but idk of a Debian based SW> distro with a similar focus My use case is more for a server environment so this is not what I'm looking for here. I really mean managing the machine from a memory image without a livecd or anythi

Re: Problem with quotatool

Am 2014-10-20 um 15:17 schrieb Tanstaafl: > On 10/20/2014 6:58 AM, Peter Buzanits wrote: >> VMware ESX 4.0.0 Build 236512 > > That is really old... You think that the hypervisor could cause problems in the kernel? Are there any known issues with old VMware and new Linux kernels? -- To UNSUBS

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

On Oct 20, 2014 8:13 AM, "Jimmy Thrasibule" wrote: > > DM> I think it depends on what you're trying to achieve and what you're > DM> trying to avoid. > > Well my first idea was to have a kind of management OS that I can load > in memory to do some stuff like disk partitioning, fsck, etc... >

Re: Stuck in update

Thank you for responding. On 2014-10-20, Darac Marjal wrote: > > --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:21:58PM -0400, Alan Greenberger wrote: >> This morning I tried t

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: At what stage? The postinst script of a package is only executed at installation time. What you did in the meantime... I did: apt-get --reinstall install samba-common So, it seems that with --reinstall, the postinst script is not executed, whi

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:37:56 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > And, finally, I consider myself as a DE user. My DE is built by > myself around a terminal-emulator, a tiling window manager, Which one? I use Openbox, which of course isn't tiling. > and > several applications, Such

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you off

Re: Moderated posts?

Joe wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 23:17:28 +0200 lee wrote: Tanstaafl writes: On 10/17/2014 9:24 PM, lee wrote: You do not accept messages you can not deliver unless you are relaying them. Absolutely wrong, this rule fully applies to relays just as it does final destination servers. I'm no

Re: unattended-upgrades

On Monday 20 October 2014 12:39:45 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 19 oct 14, 14:46:07, Chris wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm having no luck getting unattended-upgrads working on a Wheezy server. > > ... > > > 2014-10-19 14:38:11,709 INFO No packages found that can be upgraded > > unattended > > Seem

Re: Problem with quotatool

On 10/20/2014 9:39 AM, Peter Buzanits wrote: > Am 2014-10-20 um 15:17 schrieb Tanstaafl: >> On 10/20/2014 6:58 AM, Peter Buzanits wrote: >>> VMware ESX 4.0.0 Build 236512 >> >> That is really old... > > You think that the hypervisor could cause problems in the kernel? Are > there any known issue

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 20/10/14 01:28, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Did they successed with wayland? I just took a look at weston and it seems to be linked to stuffD... and with Dbus, when I thought I had read time ago things about them using a home-made bus, because they thought dbus was too heavy... I hope

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On 20/10/14 04:48, Peter Nieman wrote: > On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form - >> it muddies the discussion. -8<--->8-- > > Yes, Dad. > > The consequences of your d

Re: unattended-upgrades

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 02:46:07PM +0200, Chris wrote: > "origin=Debian,archive=stable,label=Debian-Security"; > Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern:: > "origin=Debian,archive=oldstable,label=Debian-Security"; ^ Is that right? -- "If you're not careful, the newsp

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote: Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no longer worked. Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you get any errors if you start it from a terminal? Yes, I got a

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

On 20/10/14 09:36 AM, Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: SW> See Qubes SW> SW> Its what Amazon uses for AWS. Its based on Fedora but idk of a Debian based SW> distro with a similar focus My use case is more for a server environment so this is not what I'm looking for here. I really mean managing the machin

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > We were objecting to > > the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. > > Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things > sometimes does help) my point of view

Re: download files from iceweasel using kdialog

On 20/10/14 04:39, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Jimmy Johnson > mailto:field.engin...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > When I download a file via chromium, it uses kdialog to figure > out where the file is supposed t

Remember when men were men and wrote their own init scripts? =)

Guys, I really do NOT want to start a flame war, I know that you guys are tired about this "init" subject appearing over and over... But, my turn...:-P *First things first: Why I'm with Debian / Ubuntu?* A.: Because *I like the work of Debian Maintainers* (you guys and gals, sirs and madam

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:16:00, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >At what stage? The postinst script of a package is only executed at > >installation time. What you did in the meantime... > > I did: apt-get --reinstall install samba-common > > So, it seems

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not > really have a choice

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:15:47 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > > > Does this help explain why what appears to some as mere turf battles > > and childish name-calling, etc., is a bit more than playground > > antics? > > Not to me. All these discussions

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 18:46:11, Peter Nieman wrote: > On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote: > >>Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no > >>longer worked. > > > >Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you

Re: Remember when men were men and wrote their own init scripts? =)

Sorry man... English isn't my native language, is hard for me to express myself in another language... But yes, those sources aren't the best but, there are more, you know. :-P Best! Thiago On 20 October 2014 15:55, Axel Wagner wrote: > Hi, > > Martinx - ジェームズ writes: > > I really do NOT wan

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 11:29:09, Steve Litt wrote: > > An afficienado would argue with you that it's a DE only if the apps can > all interact. That's your definition, Wikipedia seems to disagree. > Me, I'd prefer all my apps mind their own business, but > hey, that's just me. How does that work with

Re: unattended-upgrades

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 17:48:35, Chris wrote: > > No, that's not the problem. > > "No entry appears in /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log > other than the dry runs." > > i.e. today on 20 October the last entry is still from yesterday: > > 2014-10-19 14:38:11,701 DEBUG pkgs that lo

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

GD> Have you considered statically linking the kernel to all the required GD> modules and disabling hardware detection? Yes I do. And this is the kind of kernel I use for my servers but this will not help for what I'm looking to achieve here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@list

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: You might have better success with dpkg-reconfigure samba-common it's not the same. I was faced to the 5 minutes waiting time at shutdown, and wanted to check whether this came from a problem when installing samba-common/samba. Anyw

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve the choice of init systems" ? I would like to firm my position, not against systemd but, instead, in favor of the preservation of Debian's stability and future, by being able to choose a init system during the installation (d-i

Re: Remember when men were men and wrote their own init scripts? =)

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:34:43 -0200 Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > > But please, guys, DO NOT LOSE "*DEBIAN COMPILATION*"!! > > I mean, when I read that infamous guy, Poettering, talking about > things like this: > > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > >

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not really

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make it policy to stay away from systemd. Sigh Miles Fidelman Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 13:52:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Not to me. All these discussions could very well happen on the > > -offtopic list. > > Sure it can. Every single status-quo supporter in history has told > protestors the same thing: If you want to ride on the front of the bus, > petition the

Re: unattended-upgrades

On Monday 20 October 2014 20:13:14 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 20 oct 14, 17:48:35, Chris wrote: > > No, that's not the problem. > > > > "No entry appears in /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log > > other than the dry runs." > > > > i.e. today on 20 October the last entry is st

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Okay, no problem... Tks for your reply!:-) On 20 October 2014 16:31, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other > than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make > it policy to stay away from systemd. > > Sigh..

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > >>communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > >>So, for exampl

Re: Remember when men were men and wrote their own init scripts? =)

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014, at 19:34, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > I really do NOT want to start a flame war, I know that you guys are tired about this "init" subject appearing over and over... No, you wanted to add more oil on existing flamewars and you know it. If you don't want to start the flamewars,

Re: unattended-upgrades

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 20:39:59, Chris wrote: > > Yes, I do have anacron installed because I thought that might be the problem. If you have anacron installed the jobs will be run by anacron, but you already have proven that daily cronjobs work, so that's probably a dead end. > How would you sugges

Re: Remember when men were men and wrote their own init scripts? =)

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > I really do NOT want to start a flame war, I know that you guys are tired > about this "init" subject appearing over and over... But, my turn...:-P This thread is off-topic for -user. debian-user@lists.debian.org is for Debian support. If you want

Re: Stuck in update

On 2014-10-20, Alan Greenberger wrote: > Thank you for responding. > > On 2014-10-20, Darac Marjal wrote: >> >> --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Content-Disposition: inline >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:21:58PM -040

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So,

Re: Moderated posts?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:51:20 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Joe wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 23:17:28 +0200 > > lee wrote: > > > >> Tanstaafl writes: > >> > >>> On 10/17/2014 9:24 PM, lee wrote: > You do not accept messages you can not deliver unless you are > relaying them. > >>> A

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/19/2014 04:32 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 01:27 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Slavko wrote: Ahoj, napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people stil

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: We were objecting to the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things some

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anything. ~OR!~ "List archives get refreshed every 20 minutes." is a more likely reason for the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "List archives ge

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 04:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anythi

systemd-journal eats 100% CPU + rsyslog bloated with messages - Jessie

Guys, Right after connecting via SSH and starting "mc", my machine almost died. I seeing the following messages at the logs: http://pastebin.com/4zXYXSWe I need to kill "gpm", or fallback to `sysvinit-core`, by removing systemd as init, to be able to use my system as usual. This systemd thing

Error code 1...........

From my keyboard: Debian Jessie on laptop. Probably nothing but: The following packages will be upgraded: libjpeg-progs 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 100 not upgraded. 40 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/82.1 kB of archives. After this operati

Re: user authentication for a secure laptop.

> Do you mean using fingerprints as local authentication?? Authentication isn't necessary. An example is the olpc system on the XO machines. Power up and the X interface for user olpc is available. Most cell phones are similar. > Do you mean passphrase authenticated remote logins? password

Re: Error code 1...........

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Charlie wrote: > > From my keyboard: >Debian Jessie on laptop. > > Probably nothing but: > > The following packages will be upgraded: > libjpeg-progs > 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 100 not upgraded. > 40 not fully installed o

Debian fork

Just in case you haven't seen this elsewhere: http://debianfork.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/d78701a6bef411e6c3736ba962f4a...@riseup.net

Re: Debian fork

If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of: systemd dbus pam gnome And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in! I'm sure that there is room for a new distro, that will sit in the middle of Debian 7 and Slackware... ;-) Cheers! On 19 October 2014 21:20, wrote: > Just in case you haven't seen this elsewhe

Censorship confirmed

On Mon, 10/20/14, Don Armstrong wrote: Subject: Re: Remember when men were men and wrote their own init scripts? =) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: listmas...@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, October 20, 2014, 1:59 PM Further responses to this thread may be discarded. -- Don Armstr

If Not Systemd, then What?

After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been patched and bolted onto and jury-rigged to get it to do things that weren't even around

Re: msg from tornow....

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Thanks for the cc in this case, your message never made it to the list, it was /probably/ silently dropped changing the subject line to see if it helps *this* message to get through ;-) for the list *benefit* ... said email foll

Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?

On Oct 18, 2014 2:00 PM, "Nate Bargmann" wrote: > > No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up > front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop > running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor > hibernate are available any more u

Re: download files from iceweasel using kdialog

On 20/10/14 16:15, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:29:11PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 20/10/14 00:16, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Ferguson >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> On 19/10/

Re: Avoid reboot by loading initramfs again

On 20/10/14 23:52, shawn wilson wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2014 8:13 AM, "Jimmy Thrasibule" > wrote: >> >> DM> I think it depends on what you're trying to achieve and what > you're >> DM> trying to avoid. >> >> Well my first idea was to have a kind of management

Refracta systemd-free progress

Check out the outstanding progress that fsmithred and dzz are making with a systemd-free Refracta: http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-or-not-t422-50.html#p4085 http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-or-not-t422-60.html#p4086 Kudos to them!! Looking f

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 21/10/14 00:49, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: >>> On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off you

Re: user authentication for a secure laptop.

On 21/10/14 03:10, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: >> Do you mean using fingerprints as local authentication?? > > Authentication isn't necessary. An example is the olpc > system on the XO machines. Power up and the X interface > for user olpc is available. Most cell phones are similar. > >> Do you

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 21/10/14 05:24, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve > the choice of init systems" ? > http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png ? ---8<--->8 Please don't top post. Kind regards -

Re: Good news on claws-mail

On 21/10/14 05:42, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> The . Don't you think? > > This is off topic for -user. Please take it to private e-mail if you > must continue. > Agreed, and I regret it. My sincerest apologies to the list. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: Debian fork

On 10/20/2014 6:48 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of: > > systemd > dbus > pam > gnome > > And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in! > > I'm sure that there is room for a new distro, that will sit in the > middle of Debian 7 and Slackware... ;-) > > Cheers! > I ha

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject. On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote: > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, > I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. > > Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is aft

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, > I wonder... What is a better alternative? * Nosh * Runit * Upstart * S6 * Probably more I don't know about. > And it can't be sysvinit. > > Yes. Syvinit still

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, > I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. > > Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been > patched and bolted on

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. One that doesn't divide the FOSS world. We have enough challenges without that. Yes. Syvinit still works

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

1- Fork udev (out from systemd's tree or before it got merged / engulfed); 2- Start testing uselessd; 3- Remove systemd from Debian sources, since it is uselessd now lol ; I vote for upstart too (instead of uselessd), since I'm using without any problems (and it is not trying to take over the wor

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

On 10/20/2014 12:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. sysvinit will do just fine until other init-systems can be developed and installed from the repos. Yes.

Re: Debian fork

Me too Jerry... I'm fine with PAM, I use pam-automount, pam-sssd, pam-nss, and a few other things... My only intention was to point the other side of this "spectrum"... I'm seeing that Slackware is there, far away from Debian (and happy)... And now Debian is getting too close to RedHat (never like

Re: Refracta systemd-free progress

On 20/10/14 08:39 PM, goli...@riseup.net wrote: Check out the outstanding progress that fsmithred and dzz are making with a systemd-free Refracta: http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-or-not-t422-50.html#p4085 http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-

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