On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:51:20 -0400
Miles Fidelman <mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> wrote:

> Joe wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 23:17:28 +0200
> > lee <l...@yagibdah.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> writes:
> >>
> >>> On 10/17/2014 9:24 PM, lee <l...@yagibdah.de> wrote:
> >>>> You do not accept messages you can not deliver unless you are
> >>>> relaying them.
> >>> Absolutely wrong, this rule fully applies to relays just as it
> >>> does final destination servers.
> >> I'm not sure what you mean.  How will you know whether messages to
> >> a particular destination address can be delivered before sending a
> >> message to that address so that you can decide whether to accept a
> >> message you're relaying to that address?
> >>
> >>
> > I think it's generally an admonishment not to get involved in
> > relaying. The point of relaying is that the original sender cannot
> > directly reach the recipient's authoritative mail server, in which
> > case it can't generally query for recipient validity.
> 
> Relaying happens all the time - e.g., when an organization designates
> a single mail gateway, that then distributes to department-level mail
> systems.
> 
Yes, but there's at least a fighting chance in this case that the
organisation can configure the gateway server to verify recipients locally.
The problems occur where there is no real mail admin, where a small
company outsources its spam-cleaning, and nobody in the company even
knows what a recipient list is, let alone that their spam-cleaner
should have one, kept up to date. Many small and medium businesses
collect their main domain-wide by POP3, giving no way of automating
recipient verification.

> And, in the corporate world, NDRs from down-stream servers are
> commonplace.
> 
Which is why the spammers love them.

-- 
Joe


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