On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit.
One that doesn't divide the FOSS world. We have enough challenges
without that.
Yes. Syvinit still works, but it is after all 20 years old. It's been
patched and bolted onto and jury-rigged to get it to do things that
weren't even around (or dreamt of) at its inception. It's long past
due for a contemporary replacement. Whatever that may be.
Whichever one the user wants is the best. The users should decide,
individually and collectively. The distro should be the testbed for new
ideas, with users trying out and choosing solutions that work best for
them. Debian should not make that choice for users. "Upstreams" should
not make that choice for Debian.
This is official Debian Policy but some people seem upset about it.
I don't understand antipathy toward user choice, especially here. I
sometimes wonder if they have lost sight of the purpose of FOSS, which
would be sad, because they (especially volunteers) have given us so much
in the name of software freedom. They have changed the world.
I hope this just a misunderstanding that gets cleared up after the dust
settles and everyone starts talking again, instead of just yelling at
each other. I hope some people change their minds about the importance
of user choice. I hope Ian Jackson stops being bitter. :)
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
We all should be able to propose our ideal solution with a reasonable
expectation that if it's a good idea, and somebody does the work, it
could be adopted and help other people, without being unduly hindered by
a software bundle laying exclusive claim to PID 1. That is the unique
gate-keeper spot in all systems, and it's probably why the policy pays
special attention to it. That button belongs to me, the user. Hands off
my computer at its most vulnerable spot.
Just wondering.
Me too.
B
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