Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Conrad Nelson
On 11/09/2013 01:42 PM, legacy daily wrote: DFSG rocks! FOSS is the right way. I use Debian strictly because of its adherence to these principles. There is plenty of dogma and bending of rules elsewhere. If it changes its principles it will be something else maybe Ubuntu or something else but

Re: easy wheezy logging question

2013-11-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 01 oct 13, 21:00:29, Glenn English wrote: > I've got several wheezy boxes around. Some had wheezy installed with > the netcd, some by aptitude update. Some run syslog-ng. others > rsyslog. It looks like, on the web, that syslog-ng is supposed to be > the logging software, but I'm not sure

Re: IPTables question

2013-11-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 09/11/2013 23:06, Shawn Wilson a écrit : > Redhat has something called firewalld which generates rules based on zones. I > don't use it because using dbus to help manage rules scares me. But it's > there and could be what you want. > > I use fwbuilder which helps to define elaborated rules ;

[OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Itay
Hi, I apologize for the long post. I thought it's best to put as much information including stuff inserted into configuration files and relevant parts of log file. I am struggling to configure exim4 on my home desktop to send system notifications to my public email address. So far with no suc

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Note: Since I'm not subscribed to this mailing list at the moment, please > send also a copy to my email when replying. > -- > > Normally I write very short, like a Haiku > ; but I think thi

Re: IPTables question

2013-11-10 Thread Shawn Wilson
Erwan David wrote: >Le 09/11/2013 23:06, Shawn Wilson a écrit : >> Redhat has something called firewalld which generates rules based on >zones. I don't use it because using dbus to help manage rules scares >me. But it's there and could be what you want. >> >> >I use fwbuilder which helps to def

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
I appreciate your position, Conrad. I will close with this. There are still threats regardless of the (fortunately) stupefying way the SCO lawsuits went. Microsoft has been waving the patent threat over Android and getting hardware suppliers that incorporate Android into their products to sign a

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.11.2013 18:57, Alberto Salvia Novella a écrit : Note: Since I'm not subscribed to this mailing list at the moment, please send also a copy to my email when replying. I think that if you had added yourself in the cc field, people using "reply to all" as we usually do on mailing list (I th

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Curt
On 2013-11-10, Itay wrote: > 4. Insert in /etc/exim4/passwd.client the following line: > smtp.mail.provider:myem...@fastmail.fm:ClearTextPassWord This part I don't understand. I thought you were supposed to put fastmail.fm's smtp server in the first field? curty@einstein:~$ host mail.messaginge

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:10:45 -0500 (EST), greenfreedo...@gmail.com wrote: > ... > Both result in software > written and/or maintained *by the user* which will naturally be more > useful *to the user*. > ... That is true. But all users are not created equal. Software written by user A will, presum

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.11.2013 09:36, Conrad Nelson a écrit : I stand by my original point: The Hurd and kfreebsd flavors of Debian are a waste of resources when they could make Debian a more tightly integrated Linux system. It'd be great if Debian actually could do something like switch to systemd and be one of

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Chris Davies
Itay wrote: > I am struggling to configure exim4 on my home desktop to send system > notifications to my public email address [...] > [I replaced smtp's port with NNN. Also, assume 'machine' is output of > command 'hostname', while 'machine.homenetwork' is output of 'hostname > -f'] > IP address

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 11/10/2013 05:35 AM, Joel Rees wrote: My own history -- I wandered over here when Fedora came under the influence of the systemd crowd. Same group as was behind unifying /bin and /usr/bin, near as I can tell. My move to Debian was after nearly 5-years of happily using Arch Linux. Then the

Update of kde-window-manager wants to remove kde-standard

2013-11-10 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hi, I think that will get eventually resolved, but I am just curious how I can find the root cause of this upgrade issue. E.g. for plasma-dataengines-workspace : Depends: libkworkspace4abi2 (= 4:4.11.2-3) but 4:4.11.3-1 is to be installed. there is certainly plasma-dataengines-workspace Ver

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.11.2013 00:15, Lisi Reisz a écrit : I rapidly realised, however, that there is a very simple solution. I open the box, insert an old ethernet card, do my network installation, load the drivers for the card(s) belonging to the box, remove the old card. Another solution is to do the inst

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread green
Stephen Powell wrote at 2013-11-10 08:22 -0600: > On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:10:45 -0500 (EST), greenfreedo...@gmail.com wrote: > > ... > > Both result in software > > written and/or maintained *by the user* which will naturally be more > > useful *to the user*. > > ... > > That is true. But all user

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread thomas aylward
how does a novice begin with debian? Tom On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I appreciate your position, Conrad. > > I will close with this. There are still threats regardless of the > (fortunately) stupefying way the SCO lawsuits went. Microsoft has been > waving the pat

Re: Update of kde-window-manager wants to remove kde-standard

2013-11-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 03:04:02PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Hi, > > I think that will get eventually resolved, but I am just curious how I can > find > the root cause of this upgrade issue. Hmmm.. root cause seems to be aptitude package dependency resolver. This is so typical ... I

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: > how does a novice begin with debian? Tom > How does a novice begin with Linux - 1. Install a virtualisation package on a machine running Windows and install Ubuntu/Debian or whatever as a virtual machine. [My preferred] 2. Sea

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 10 Nov 09:17 -0600, thomas aylward wrote: > how does a novice begin with debian? Tom Hi Tom. Andy listed several ways as well so I'll try not to duplicate his list. I think most important is reading and studying. Shoot, I had to do that when I got an Android phone earlier this year!

Re: easy wheezy logging question

2013-11-10 Thread Glenn English
On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:44 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > $ apt-cache show rsyslog | grep Priority > Priority: important > > Compare that to syslog-ng ;) Gotcha. Thanks, Andrei :-) -- Glenn English Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. smime.p7s Description: S/

Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
Hi guys/gals, I tried to upgrade one of my systems, and it "kept back" some packages. As I want to upgrade all, I did the following: # apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: avidemux

/etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Richard Owlett
I wish to have all users of all Debian installs on my laptop have unrestricted access to everything on a particular partition. It was suggested adding a line to /etc/fstab would accomplish my goal. Original /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the u

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 14:05, Beco wrote: > And here I tried remove again the previous command, with the same > result: apt-get wants to remove and strip naked my system. > > How can I eliminate the message "The following packages have been kept > back: mplayer transcode vlc vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notif

Re: Weird boot problem. How can this be?

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.11.2013 09:26, Ray Dillinger a écrit : I have a strange problem where my computer does not recognize *ANY* boot device or boot medium other than one single hard drive where a badly configured debian linux is installed. I don't think the particulars of that messed-up install are relevant,

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I would restore the install from a backup and then run apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade. If you don't have a backup, then backup your Debian now and try a dist-upgrade, perhaps with the option -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act for a dry run. -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 11:06 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > /dev/sda5/owlettext2rw,users,exec > Will doing "chmod -R 777 /owlett" allow all users of any Debian > install having the edited /etc/fstab have unrestricted access to > all files and folders on that partition? I can't say an

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:46:27 +0100 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org napísal: > Le 08.11.2013 18:57, Alberto Salvia Novella a écrit : > > Note: Since I'm not subscribed to this mailing list at the moment, > > please send also a copy to my email when replying. > > I think that if you had added y

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Beco wrote: > I tried to upgrade one of my systems, and it "kept back" some > packages. As I want to upgrade all, I did the following: Since these are many multimedia packages and many mentions of ffmpeg I think it likely that you have mixed sources. Did you install those from Merillat's archive?

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 14:21, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I would restore the install from a backup and then run > apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade. If you don't have a > backup, then backup your Debian now and try a dist-upgrade, perhaps with > the option -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.11.2013 18:06, Richard Owlett a écrit : Will doing "chmod -R 777 /owlett" allow all users of any Debian install having the edited /etc/fstab have unrestricted access to all files and folders on that partition? TIA It will, but remember that it will also allow them to change file permiss

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.11.2013 18:26, Slavko a écrit : I am always frustrated, when i get two copies of the same mail (one direct and one via ML). As I am. The MLs are here to communicate via them. If anybody is not subscribed, then ask for CC is base way do get the responses. What I meant was that if send

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom How does a novice begin with Linux - Burn, test drive, and used a live CD distribution for a minimum of a month and learn all you can ab

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 18:41 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > But note that the OP lost some replies that are likely available by the archive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 10. November 2013, 18:28:54 schrieb berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: > Le 10.11.2013 18:06, Richard Owlett a écrit : > > Will doing "chmod -R 777 /owlett" allow all users of any Debian > > install having the edited /etc/fstab have unrestricted access to all > > files and folders on that p

Question: Windows size in KDE

2013-11-10 Thread Hans
Hi folks, just two questions about windows in KDE, maybe someone knows more. First question: Is there a way or a trick, how I a windows size will be stored, if I close a window and want to reopen it again with the same size when it was closed? Second question: I have an application closed (the

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 12:44 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: > On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: > >> how does a novice begin with debian? Tom > >> > > How does a novice begin with Linux - > > Burn, test drive, and used a

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:41:42 +0100 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org napísal: > But note that the OP lost some replies of that thread, because people > are not used to CC others. That's why I suggested that. Yes, it was a > simple suggestion, I never said he was doing things the wrong way, >

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 11/10/2013 12:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 12:44 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom How does a novice begin with Linux - Bu

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Itay
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Chris Davies wrote: Chris: thanks for helping me out. Itay wrote: I am struggling to configure exim4 on my home desktop to send system notifications to my public email address [...] [I replaced smtp's port with NNN. Also, assume 'machine' is output of command 'hostname

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
Hi Bob, On 10 November 2013 14:26, Bob Proulx wrote: > First verify your sources.list file. I didn't see where you said what > version of Debian you were using. Stable Wheezy, Testing Jessie, or > Unstable Sid. Whatever. Make sure it is consistent. Then: > > # apt-get install apt-show-ver

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Itay
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Curt wrote: On 2013-11-10, Itay wrote: 4. Insert in /etc/exim4/passwd.client the following line: smtp.mail.provider:myem...@fastmail.fm:ClearTextPassWord This part I don't understand. I thought you were supposed to put fastmail.fm's smtp server in the first field? You

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 13:06 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: > On 11/10/2013 12:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Simply start with one distro > > Advising a novice at Linux to build and configure a multi-boot, multi-OS > machine? The advice is to install one distro only first and after a while, only if th

Change preferred interface for default gateway?

2013-11-10 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Hi! It's been awhile. :-) When I am on wireless and plug into a wired connection, my wireless default route is dropped when the default route for the wired connection is added. It seems wired is always preferred over wireless. Is there any way to reverse this behavior? Or even better, make it dep

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Rob Owens
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 02:36:11AM -0600, Conrad Nelson wrote: > Here's another example: While Debian's come a long way, for > multimedia you STILL basically have to set up the third party Debian > Multimedia repository because Debian refuses to provide a TON of > media capability that even teh ave

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 11:06 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On rebooting it failed with a "missing mount point" message. And it failed for the first reboot only? Didn't you mount the fstab entries manually before rebooting? $ mount --help | grep fstab -a, --all mount all filesystems

Re: Change preferred interface for default gateway?

2013-11-10 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 10. November 2013, 10:26:01 schrieb Tyler MacDonald: > Hi! It's been awhile. :-) > > When I am on wireless and plug into a wired connection, my wireless default > route is dropped when the default route for the wired connection is added. > It seems wired is always preferred over wirele

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Richard Owlett wrote: > I wish to have all users of all Debian installs on my laptop have > unrestricted access to everything on a particular partition. It was > suggested adding a line to /etc/fstab would accomplish my goal. I saw that thread, and the suggestion, but didn't comment then because I

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Richard Owlett wrote: > My dual boots Squeeze and Wheezy. > I've created a partition whose function in life is to be essentially > a scratch pad for all groups/users of both. > How do I force all files to be written to that partition to be > readable AND writable to everybody? You are creating a m

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Siard wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: > > My dual boots Squeeze and Wheezy. > > I've created a partition whose function in life is to be > > essentially a scratch pad for all groups/users of both. > > How do I force all files to be written to that partition to be > > readable AND writable to every

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Rob Owens
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 03:05:34PM -0200, Beco wrote: > Hi guys/gals, > > > I tried to upgrade one of my systems, and it "kept back" some > packages. As I want to upgrade all, I did the following: > > > > # apt-get upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading st

Re: Change preferred interface for default gateway?

2013-11-10 Thread Tyler MacDonald
I am using the default (Network Manager), sorry, should have specified... It a pretty vanilla Debian Stable install on a Lenovo T410s. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Hans wrote: > Am Sonntag, 10. November 2013, 10:26:01 schrieb Tyler MacDonald: > > Hi! It's been awhile. :-) > > > > When I am

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Richard Owlett
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 10.11.2013 18:06, Richard Owlett a écrit : Will doing "chmod -R 777 /owlett" allow all users of any Debian install having the edited /etc/fstab have unrestricted access to all files and folders on that partition? TIA It will, but remember that it will a

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 11:06 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: /dev/sda5/owlettext2rw,users,exec Will doing "chmod -R 777 /owlett" allow all users of any Debian install having the edited /etc/fstab have unrestricted access to all files and folders on that partition?

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 11:39 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > If the user has the same uid:gid then they will all have sane access. Yes, but it should be mentioned that for sharing some paths by a multi-boot, uid and name of the user must fit, if you want to avoid links. $ ls -hAl /home /mnt/q/home /hom

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Beco wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > First verify your sources.list file. I didn't see where you said what > > version of Debian you were using. Stable Wheezy, Testing Jessie, or > > Unstable Sid. Whatever. Make sure it is consistent. I should have asked, can you post your sources.list file? I

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Curt
On 2013-11-10, Itay wrote: > R: smarthost for r...@fastmail.fm > T: remote_smtp_smarthost for r...@fastmail.fm > Connecting to mail.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.52]:25 ... failed: **? > Connection refused

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > If the user has the same uid:gid then they will all have sane access. > > Yes, but it should be mentioned that for sharing some paths by a > multi-boot, uid and name of the user must fit, if you want to avoid > links. I am sorry but I do not understand

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Itay
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Itay wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Chris Davies wrote: Itay wrote: IP address or host name of the outgoing smarthost => "mail.messagingengine.com::NNN". Should be a single colon, not double. For example, mail.e

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom Kind of depends on two things: - do you have experience with another Linux (or Unix) environment? - do you have a machine you can dedicate as a sandbox? If answers to both are yes: a. download an install CD, follow the install in

harddrive spins down and up again after 5s

2013-11-10 Thread patrick
hi, my freshly installed debian wheezy is spinning the harddrive up and down all the time gnome is running for a few minutes when it happens the first time, drive noise goes away and it is still for about 5s. then it spins up right after. hdparm -B /dev/sda says that its set to 127 which mea

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread Siard
Richard Owlett wrote: > to which I added this line > /dev/sda5/owlettext2rw,users,exec 'users' should be 'user'. Also add '0 0' at he end of the line. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lis

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Richard Owlett
Bob Proulx wrote: Siard wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: My dual boots Squeeze and Wheezy. I've created a partition whose function in life is to be essentially a scratch pad for all groups/users of both. How do I force all files to be written to that partition to be readable AND writable to everybo

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-11-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> There are considerable price increases with each quite small increase in > speed-- hundreds of dollars--, but over two or three years I think the extra > dollars would be worth the performance increase... *IF* there > is a noticeable performance increase. The rule of thumb, in general is that a

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 16:17, Bob Proulx wrote: > Beco wrote: >> Bob Proulx wrote: > Make sense? Hopefully. Good luck! Please report back on your > progress so that we (I!) can learn from it! > > Bob Okey Bob! Thanks a lot. You gave me a LOT of food for thought now. I'll try some paths here an

Re: harddrive spins down and up again after 5s

2013-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 11/10/2013 1:46 PM, patrick wrote: > my freshly installed debian wheezy is spinning the harddrive up and down > all the time... First let's establish this is actually the case. You didn't state "new computer new drive" or "old computer/drive, new wheezy". If new computer/drive, which drive i

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 17:06, Beco wrote: > On 10 November 2013 16:17, Bob Proulx wrote: > Im removing all that does not comply with the Debian packages. But > still, I'm having trouble trying to remove specific packages that > insist that I need to get rid of KDE or other big stuffs. > apt-get r

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Bob, On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 12:24 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > If the user has the same uid:gid then they will all have sane access. > > > > Yes, but it should be mentioned that for sharing some paths by a > > multi-boot, uid and name of the user mu

Re: Update of kde-window-manager wants to remove kde-standard

2013-11-10 Thread Rainer Dorsch
On Monday 11 November 2013 00:11:57 Osamu Aoki wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 03:04:02PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I think that will get eventually resolved, but I am just curious how I can > > find the root cause of this upgrade issue. > > Hmmm.. root cause seems to

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 01:15:26PM +, Chris Davies wrote: > > IP address or host name of the outgoing smarthost > > => "mail.messagingengine.com::NNN". > > Should be a single colon, not double. For example, mail.example.net:587 No, this is incorrect. When you run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 14:27 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > linuxfromscratch.org IMO there's no need for a user to know all the details, however, something FreeBSD port like, e.g. Arch Linux IMO is more pleasant than Linux from scratch. It's also possible to learn about Linux, by using FreeBSD, e.g

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread Neal Murphy
On Sunday, November 10, 2013 03:54:31 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 14:27 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > linuxfromscratch.org > > IMO there's no need for a user to know all the details, however, > something FreeBSD port like, e.g. Arch Linux IMO is more pleasant than > Linux fro

Re: harddrive spins down and up again after 5s

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Patrick, On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 20:46 +0100, patrick wrote: > with this value the drive stays on and the constanst spinup/down is > gone. No, it's not gone, it now spins up and down every 21 minutes and the culprit is gvfs. I don't install gvfs and if needed as a hard dependency, I build and in

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 15:39, Rob Owens wrote: > find all packages from deb-multimedia.org: > aptitude search '~i ?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)' > > purge all packages from deb-multimedia.org: > aptitude purge '~i ?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)' > Hi Rob, Maybe I'm doing somethi

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 16:17, Bob Proulx wrote: > Beco wrote: >> Bob Proulx wrote: >> > First verify your sources.list file. I didn't see where you said what >> > version of Debian you were using. Stable Wheezy, Testing Jessie, or >> > Unstable Sid. Whatever. Make sure it is consistent. > > I sho

Re: harddrive spins down and up again after 5s

2013-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 14:19 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Thus the "problem" may not be caused by the operating system. It is the OS, it's gvfs. Sure, it doesn't cause the spin down, but gvfs does cause the unwanted spin up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
On 10 November 2013 18:14, Beco wrote: > > > Now, guys, how come KDE and KDEBASE does not have archive candidates? > > Where are they? > > Thanks, > Beco. It seems KDE is just a dummy package. Is the correct package kde-full? # apt-cache policy kde-full kde-full: Installed: 5:77+deb7u1 Candi

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Beco
Hi guys, Just to report back: To remove kdebase dummy, first: # apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop And to remove kde dummy, first: # apt-get install kde-full Then just remove kde and kdebase. Now: # apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate epson-inkjet-printer-201215w 1.0.0-1lsb3.2 installed: No a

Procedure to uninstall nvidia drivers and restore nouveau

2013-11-10 Thread Alex Naysmith
After following the procedure at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers to install the nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx package for my GeForce FX5550 card [Debian 7 "Wheezy"], I would like to know the best method to return to the nouveau driver with the files from the glx-legacy-1733 package removed

Re: harddrive spins down and up again after 5s

2013-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 11/10/2013 3:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 14:19 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Thus the "problem" may not be caused by the operating system. > > It is the OS, it's gvfs. Sure, it doesn't cause the spin down, but gvfs > does cause the unwanted spin up. You may be correct.

Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread shawn wilson
How do I get access to the buffer that is presented by clicking the third (or center) mouse button from a script? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAH_

Re: Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread Lukas Erlacher
check out xclip. On 11.11.2013 00:29, shawn wilson wrote: > How do I get access to the buffer that is presented by clicking the > third (or center) mouse button from a script? > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 06:29:08PM -0500, shawn wilson wrote: > How do I get access to the buffer that is presented by clicking the > third (or center) mouse button from a script? Install xclip, and read the docs to know how to interface with it. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn..net gpg pub

Re: Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread shawn wilson
That gives me the X clipboard buffer, which seems to be a different buffer. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Lukas Erlacher wrote: > check out xclip. > > On 11.11.2013 00:29, shawn wilson wrote: >> How do I get access to the buffer that is presented by clicking the >> third (or center) mouse butt

Re: Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread Lukas Erlacher
On 11.11.2013 00:42, shawn wilson wrote: > That gives me the X clipboard buffer, which seems to be a different buffer. There are three buffers. You're looking for the keyboard buffer, which is the primary buffer and used by default. Please read the manpage. > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:30 PM,

Re: Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread shawn wilson
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Lukas Erlacher wrote: > On 11.11.2013 00:42, shawn wilson wrote: >> That gives me the X clipboard buffer, which seems to be a different buffer. > > There are three buffers. You're looking for the keyboard buffer, which is the > primary buffer and used by default.

Re: Copy buffer from a script

2013-11-10 Thread Lukas Erlacher
On 11.11.2013 01:08, shawn wilson wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Lukas Erlacher > wrote: >> On 11.11.2013 00:42, shawn wilson wrote: >>> That gives me the X clipboard buffer, which seems to be a different buffer. >> >> There are three buffers. You're looking for the keyboard buffer, whi

Debian/Ubuntu Package Developing with Docker

2013-11-10 Thread T o n g
Hi, I found that Docker is the best tool for developing Debian/Ubuntu packages, but seems no one has talked about it in Debian world. So here is mine [1]. [1] http://sfxpt.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/debianubuntu-package-developing- with-docker/ If you build your packages with pbuilder, then you

Re: Question: Windows size in KDE

2013-11-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/11/13 04:23, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > just two questions about windows in KDE, maybe someone knows more. > > First question: > Is there a way or a trick, how I a windows size will be stored, if I close a > window and want to reopen it again with the same size when it was closed? 'Wind

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread David
On 11 November 2013 06:47, Siard wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: >> to which I added this line >> /dev/sda5/owlettext2rw,users,exec > > 'users' should be 'user'. Also add '0 0' at he end of the line. According to 'man 5 fstab', adding '0 0' is unecessary: "If the fifth field is no

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread David
On 11 November 2013 02:17, thomas aylward wrote: > > how does a novice begin with debian? Tom In addition to other replies, a local linux user group can be a good source of inspiration and assistance. If not, IRC channels are a good alternative provided you observe how to use them effectively. A

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.11.2013 19:06, Jeff Bauer a écrit : On 11/10/2013 12:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 12:44 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? T

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-10 Thread green
Rob Owens wrote at 2013-11-10 12:30 -0600: > My first permanent Linux distribution (after trying a Knoppix live cd) > was Mandrake. When I started using it to rip my music CDs, it defaulted > to ogg vorbis. I was expecting mp3. "What the hell is this ogg > stuff?", I remember asking myself. >

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.11.2013 19:54, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 10.11.2013 18:06, Richard Owlett a écrit : Will doing "chmod -R 777 /owlett" allow all users of any Debian install having the edited /etc/fstab have unrestricted access to all files and folders on that partiti

Re: Permission issue

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > > If the user has the same uid:gid then they will all have sane access. > > > > > > Yes, but it should be mentioned that for sharing some paths by a > > > multi-boot, uid and name of the user must fit, if

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Itay
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Curt wrote: On 2013-11-10, Itay wrote: R: smarthost for r...@fastmail.fm T: remote_smtp_smarthost for r...@fastmail.fm Connecting to mail.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.52]:25 ... failed: **? Connection refused I th

Re: Upgrade all "kept back" packages

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Beco wrote: > Just to report back: Good stuff! Looks like you are in good shape now. > I think I got. I needed to downgrade everything in the same command > line. Look: > # apt-get install vlc-data=2.0.3-5 libmp3lame0=3.99.5+repack1-3 Yes, that will do it. If you can determine all of the versi

Re: [OT?] What's wrong with my exim4 configuration?

2013-11-10 Thread Itay
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Gregory Nowak wrote: By mistake I sent my reply directly to the responder (sorry Greg) and not to the list. Here is a copy: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 01:15:26PM +, Chris Davies wrote: > > IP address or host name of the outgoing smarthost > > => "mail.messagingengine.co

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread David Christensen
On 11/10/2013 09:06 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to have all users of all Debian installs on my laptop have unrestricted access to everything on a particular partition. It was suggested adding a line to /etc/fstab would accomplish my goal. ... /dev/sda5 /owlett

Re: /etc/fstab question

2013-11-10 Thread David Christensen
On 11/10/2013 09:28 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ... In my opinion, if you want [a scratch pad partition for all groups/users], the easier solution is to use a partition system which does not have the user right feature. The first one which comes to my mind, is the FAT family. +1

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