Re: Future of Linux Question

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 04:04:50PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why doesn't someone develop a similar protocol to Microsoft's network > neighborhood and smb for Linux. Well, all SMB does is handle network file systems and network printers. Bot

Re: sarge

2004-01-24 Thread Ryan Mackay
Sometime near Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:29:14PM +0100, knoppix wrote: > HI > > Where can I find a sarge iso please > > thx > google -- Cheers, rinmak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Erm, is this spam?

2004-01-24 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Nathan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-24 03:11]: >In the Reference code: #14715, are all files, that we found on your >computer. My guess is that it's a worm, and something stripped off its dangerous content. Something working like that was pretty successful in Germany. Thorsten --

Re: Cannot Open Root Device - Was: Unidentified subject!

2004-01-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello JAMES MERRITT (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Also to Andreas, I am sorry I responded to your response and my email > package uses the poster, not the newsgroup, as it's TO: address. I > try never to respond directly unless the poster requests it. Also, by > responding back to the newsgrou

du -sh backports mirrors?, was: Debian newbie: question on apt-get and sources.list

2004-01-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 23 Jan 2004 09:39:58 -0500, David Clymer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 02:54, Sanjay Chigurupati wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I am trying to upgrade my x and the packages are available at: > > > > > > http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/woody

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Adam
On Friday 23 January 2004 23:00, Andreas Janssen wrote: > Did you mount the usbdevfs? Add this to your fstab: > > usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 I'll try it and report back. For info, my old (Mandrake) fstab contained the following "special" (other than floppy and HDD) entries: n

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Adam
On Friday 23 January 2004 22:10, Adam wrote: > I recently did a clean installation of Debian testing on my workstation, > but I can't find my USB devices and CD-RW. > > /sbin/lsmod includes the following: Here's the complete output in case I left out something the significance of which I'd misse

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Adam
On Friday 23 January 2004 23:00, Andreas Janssen wrote: >> I recently did a clean installation of Debian testing on my >> workstation, but I can't find my USB devices and CD-RW. >> and I've installed devfsd and added append="hdd=ide-scsi" to >> lilo.conf. However cdrecord -scanbus finds nothi

xawtv with radeon9200 failure

2004-01-24 Thread LeVA
Hi! I have a radeon9200, and I'm using it with XFree-4.3.0 + fglrx driver. I have a tvtuner card (avermedia tvphone98 and pctv pro). I'm using xawtv. I have DRI and overlay enabled in my XF86Config: Modules: Load"dri" fglrx driver: Option "no_dri" "no" (...) Option "Vi

sendmail configuration for mail hub

2004-01-24 Thread Lucas Albers
I setup a sendmail server as a backup mx mail server for my domain. I have configured the mailtertable and domain items so it will relay mail destined for the two domains I am using. Everything is working great except, the recipient address dissappears from the envelope. When I relay mail through

Re: Erm, is this spam?

2004-01-24 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello Thosten! On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 09:51:16AM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: * Nathan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-24 03:11]: In the Reference code: #14715, are all files, that we found on your computer. My guess is that it's a worm, and something stripped off its dangerous content. Some

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Adam (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Friday 23 January 2004 23:00, Andreas Janssen wrote: > >> Did you mount the usbdevfs? Add this to your fstab: >> >> usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 > > I'll try it and report back. For info, my old (Mandrake) fstab > contained the foll

Re: features in galeon-1.2.5 vs 1.3.11+, was: Status of Galeon in testing?

2004-01-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 22 Jan 2004 22:02:49 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels L. Ellegaard) wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > ..last time I saw Galeon mentioned here, the word was 1.2.5 was the > > best Galeon ever made, as later versions lost functionality etc, >

Re: Status of Galeon in testing?

2004-01-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:34:30 +1100, Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Thu, 22 Jan 2004 > 15:23:25 +: > > On (22/01/04 09:22), stan wrote: > > > > > > For several weeks now, I've had to freeze all my "testing" > >

iptables generates unwanted output

2004-01-24 Thread Joris Huizer
Hello, I recently set up iptables (that is, I replaced /etc/init.d/iptables with the script I got). Now, when I'm on one of the tty' terminals, I get this message each time: INPUT packet died: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=10.0.0.150 DST=10.0.0.255 LEN=131 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP S

Re: kpilot and palm TT

2004-01-24 Thread Chris Searle
> "Steven" == Steven Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steven> On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 07:33, Chris Searle wrote: >> Hit the hotsync button, wait 3 and then run >> >> pilot-xfer -p /dev/usb/tts/0 -L >> >> lists all the files on the palm. >> >> However - I can't

RE: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread John M. Purser
Excellent! Thanks for the post. John -Original Message- From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Debian Users List Cc: Antonio Rodriguez Subject: Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 04:41:33PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wro

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:46:13 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > > Thank you Collin. Beautiful reading. Scary. To think that so many of the > statements made in science fiction have come through, to know how dark > life can be made to be on the surface of this ball, or on the surface of > the other

Re: Unable to disable IDE DMA on boot

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:40:18 +0200, Johannes Lehtinen wrote: > Hello, > > I have a problem disabling IDE DMA. I am trying to install Debian Sarge > in to an old laptop and with DMA enabled (default) I keep getting DMA > timeouts and retries from /dev/hda. The kernel image is 2.4.23-1-386 > (2.4.2

Re: kernel update

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:56:13 +0100, knoppix wrote: > Hi > > is apt-get update kernel-2.6 enough to upgrade the kernel ? > Kernels work differently than other debian packages. Each kernel revision is a *different* package. So, do: apt-get update apt-cache search kernel-image apt-get install k

Re: du -sh backports mirrors?, was: Debian newbie: question on apt-get and sources.list

2004-01-24 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:35:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..mirroring all of backports.org/debian/ , how much disk space > do I need? A 'du -k' on the HTML Directory of bpo shows that it is using about 2.2 GB. Such Questions shouldnt be directed to mailinglists, though. You might have a

Re: du -sh backports mirrors?, was: Debian newbie: question on apt-get and sources.list

2004-01-24 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:35:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > #deb http://www.backports.org/debian woody xfree86 Oh. Norbert just pointed out that this Line must actually read: deb http://www.backports.org/debian woody pre/xfree86 -- Rico -mc- Gloeckner | 1024D/61F05B8C | jabber:[E

Re: features in galeon-1.2.5 vs 1.3.11+, was: Status of Galeon in testing?

2004-01-24 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ..how about cookies? I generally want "allow these cookies" ban these > cookies" and "ban this spam site", should take 3 buttons only, but is a > major hassle with all browsers I've used, you get "accept" or "ban" and > "these cookies only" or "all cook

"no screens found" error

2004-01-24 Thread JamesJack
Hello there I have been trying to get a graphics environment to work in linux (gnome, kde, or x). Im very new to linux. The system is an 800Mhz AMD Duron with 256Mb SDRAM with 80Gb Maxtor HD. When its installing, i get two error messages that packages cxref and gdm (??) didn't install properly.

Re: Looking for bleeding edge distro

2004-01-24 Thread Johann Koenig
On Friday January 23 at 10:49pm Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:37:29PM -0500, Brad Cramer wrote: > > Are there any Debian based distros that use KDE 3.2rc1, kernel > > 2.6.x, XFree4.3.0 all of that bleeding edge type stuff. I am willing > > to give anything a

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:29:49AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:46:13 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > > > > > Thank you Collin. Beautiful reading. Scary. To think that so many of the > > statements made in science fiction have come through, to know how dark > > life can be

Re: shell script question

2004-01-24 Thread Matthias Hentges
Am Sam, 2004-01-24 um 07.44 schrieb tripolar: > I would like to download all files from an ftp site. probably 250 files > some between 25-50 Megs.I am wondering about using wget with shell ( > bash) script to login, download all files, if one is found on harddrive > ignore and goto next one. one fi

Re: GNOME 2.4 for Sarge...when?

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:01:14 +0100, Jaume Alonso wrote: > Paul Morgan wrote: > >>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05:24 +0100, Jaume Alonso wrote: >> >> >> >>>I'm a newbie in debian. I'm currently using Sarge. When will I be able >>>to install the new GNOME 2.4?? >>> >>> >> >>You can do it right now

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread John Hasler
Nano Nano writes: > From my own experiences at leadership of various things, all I can say is > I have total sympathy for politicians. Put aside the concept of "sides" > (as in "my side is winning") and ask yourself if you truly could do a > better job. Wrong question. Ask yourself "should this

Re: ALSA can't find modules

2004-01-24 Thread Soumyadip Modak
So it seems i have to compile a kernel to get ALSA working. But as you can see, i have hardware that requires a lot of third party driver/patch downloads and configuration to get the stuff working (i have the nforce 2 igp chipset, with inbuilt geforce 4 mx graphics and a lan card in addition to the

changing pcmcia device interfaces

2004-01-24 Thread matt zagrabelny
hello, i have a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop (everything works just fine), i would like to use the interface wlan0 instead of eth1. i have (of course) tried aliasing the module with wlan0 in /etc/modutils/aliases (and running update-modules) and i have poked around /etc/pcmcia but have not

logs rapidly fill /var partition

2004-01-24 Thread Haines Brown
When I run the command $ sudo rm -rf /mirror/partition, the activity is logged to /var/log/kern.log, syslog, and debug log. The problem is that each of these logs ends up 120 Mb in size and the remaining space in my 500 Mb /var partition quickly disappears. I need to know if this logging activi

Re: iptables generates unwanted output

2004-01-24 Thread Ryan Mackay
Sometime near Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:40:49AM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote: > Hello, > > I recently set up iptables (that is, I replaced /etc/init.d/iptables > with the script I got). > > Now, when I'm on one of the tty' terminals, I get this message each time: > > INPUT packet died: IN=eth0 OUT=

Puzzled by linux 2.6 and /dev

2004-01-24 Thread Alan Chandler
A few weeks ago I managed to install the kernel-images for linux 2.6, and at the same time removed devfsd (reading that it had been depreciated with 2.6) Even so, something (hotplug?) was overwriting the entries in /dev with valid links. For instance I had manually made device nodes for hda, hd

Re: ALSA can't find modules

2004-01-24 Thread Soumyadip Modak
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 21:54, Andreas Janssen wrote: > Hello > I think there are no precompiled modules for the standard Debian > kernels, so you need the alsa-source package. I think you can find more > information on building a deb package with the modules you need on >

Re: "no screens found" error

2004-01-24 Thread matt zagrabelny
On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 06:25, JamesJack wrote: > Hello there > > I have been trying to get a graphics environment to work in linux > (gnome, > kde, or x). Im very new to linux. welcome! > When its installing, i get two error messages that packages cxref and > gdm > (??) didn't install properly. H

Sarge: Postfix and SMTP Auth with PAM?

2004-01-24 Thread Bengt Thure'e
Hej, I am wondering if Sarges Postfix works with SMTP Auth. Have not managed to get it to work with PAM-SASLauthd If anyone have managed to get it working I would be delighted to receive some hints and tips... I saw this message which pretty much sums it up, but unfortunately there is no answer

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Adam
On Saturday 24 January 2004 10:20, Andreas Janssen wrote: >>> Did you mount the usbdevfs? Add this to your fstab: >>> >>> usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 Done. >>> Did you rerun lilo? >> >> Well, I rebooted! > > That doesn't mean anything. You must rerun lilo to save the changes

Re: SCO: The threat to our national security

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 04:29:09PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: > Kind of amazing reading, though. > >http://www.osaia.org/letters/sco_hill.pdf No kidding...it's upside down and backwards. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Adam
On Saturday 24 January 2004 10:20, Andreas Janssen wrote: >>> Did you rerun lilo? By the way: # /sbin/lilo Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' Added Linux * Is that a serious warning? Than

Re: The threat to our national security

2004-01-24 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 05:36:33AM -0600, ABrady wrote: > Except for my 5-year-old's dual-boot (Mandrake 9.1/WIN98), the household > is now Windoze-free. The kid hates WinDOS, too. But mom makes him play > with some of his learning games on it. And if

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2004-01-24 Thread Marco Bresciani
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Purging Alsa -> invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa, action "stop" failed.

2004-01-24 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
I have messed up my ALSA installation, and now I cannot remove the package. Some time ago I was compiling my kernels myself, and i think that I tried to install alsa without much luck, so there may be some old config files floating around in my system. What can I do to solve my problems? What s

Re: libqt-dev and libqt3-dev: can they coexist?

2004-01-24 Thread Brian Nelson
John Spray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > (Unstable, most recent packages) > I have been trying to install qt 2.x headers in order to complete a > compilation on some qt 2.3 based software. I have libqt2, libqt3 and > libqt3-dev installed and functioning, but cannot install libqt-dev: >

Re: Cannot Open Root Device - Was: Unidentified subject!

2004-01-24 Thread JAMES MERRITT
I tried typing linux root=/dev/hdb1 at the lilo prompt and it says something about that not being one of the choices. The lilo menu I see is: Linux WinNT (hda1) WinNT or DOS (hdb6) <- This is not a valid bootable disk, I don't know why it is there. Then I tried booting from my original install d

Re: sarge

2004-01-24 Thread Joachim Fahnenmueller
http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#testing On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:29:14PM +0100, knoppix wrote: > HI > > Where can I find a sarge iso please > > thx > > Arkel > HTH -- Joachim Fahnenmüller # Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into # your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSC

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Richard Kimber
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:00:26 -0800 Nano Nano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From my own experiences at leadership of various things, all I can say > is I have total sympathy for politicians. Put aside the concept of > "sides" (as in "my side is winning") and ask yourself if you truly could > > d

booting problem with tpconfig after removing it

2004-01-24 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Hi, I encountered a strange problem today. Suddenly my notebook stops booting after starting klogd. I am running 2.6.1 and unstable. After booting into single user mode I tried to manually start everything in rc2.d via /etc/init.d xyz start and discovered that /etc/init.d/tpconfig hangs. In the

Re: Erm, is this spam?

2004-01-24 Thread Brad Sims
On Saturday 24 January 2004 3:57 am, Florian Ernst wrote: > True, it's Sober.C, has just been on the list. Whether one counts it > as spam or not is another debate... ;) Ya could count it as advertising as to /why/ Linux makes for a better desktop... -- Cheer up! Things may be getting worse at

apt-get and dselect problems

2004-01-24 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, apt-get and dselect really have made me cry. On my server running Debian Woody, i've kept it up to date with all the patches. i also use dselect. recently i used dselect and it automatically has marked the package "webalizer" to be re

Re: Debian dedicated hosting

2004-01-24 Thread Tony TJ Previte
Let's not spread FUD here please. I'm a Server Beach customer, and I find quite the opposite to be the truth. The very next day spamhause's listing was removed, because they do in fact lock out spammers as soon as they are discovered. Server Beach is no more a haven for spammers than any other

Re: libxstl problem

2004-01-24 Thread Jerome R. Acks
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 03:49:40AM +0100, knoppix wrote: > Hi > > I got that problem if anyone could help > > I am trying to install a software on my debian > > When I run the ./configure it says : > > configure: error: Could not find libxslt anywhere, please check ftp:/ > xmlsoft.org/ for libx

Re: apt-get and dselect problems

2004-01-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:53:57PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > On my server running Debian Woody, i've kept it up to date with all > the patches. > i also use dselect. recently i used dselect and it automatically has > marked the package "webalizer" to be removed. I re-select it but it > give

Re: features in galeon-1.2.5 vs 1.3.11+, was: Status of Galeon in testing?

2004-01-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 24 Jan 2004 13:14:06 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels L. Ellegaard) wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > ..how about cookies? I generally want "allow these cookies" ban > > these cookies" and "ban this spam site", should take 3 buttons only,

Re: du -sh backports mirrors?, was: Debian newbie: question on apt-get and sources.list

2004-01-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:37:00 +0100, Rico -mc- Gloeckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:35:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..mirroring all of backports.org/debian/ , how much disk space > > do I need? > > A 'du -k' on the HTML Directo

Re: du -sh backports mirrors?, was: Debian newbie: question on apt-get and sources.list

2004-01-24 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 09:35:17PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > Such Questions shouldnt be directed to mailinglists, though. You > > might have a faster response if you'd ask on the specific Mailinglist > > ..which specific Mailinglist??? http://www.backports.org tells ya. :) (You might use

Re: du -sh backports mirrors?, was: Debian newbie: question on apt-get and sources.list

2004-01-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:55:19 +0100, Rico -mc- Gloeckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 09:35:17PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > Such Questions shouldnt be directed to mailinglists, though. You > > > might have a faster response if you'd as

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nano Nano
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:00:30PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:00:26 -0800 > Nano Nano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From my own experiences at leadership of various things, all I can say > > is I have total sympathy for politicians. Put aside the concept of > > "si

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nano Nano
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 07:56:44AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Nano Nano writes: > > From my own experiences at leadership of various things, all I can say is > > I have total sympathy for politicians. Put aside the concept of "sides" > > (as in "my side is winning") and ask yourself if you truly

Re:

2004-01-24 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Hi, Am Do, den 22.01.2004 schrieb Helmut Zehetmayer um 09:04: > It is very hard to find any lists of Paedagogical software in German. > Have you got any links for me? www.pingos.org Bye, Ratti -- -o)fontlinge | Font management for Linux | Schriftenverwaltung in Linux /\\

Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Day Brown
Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. One of the reasons I like to run the Corel version of debian, is that because they wrote software for the single user desktop for a decade or more, they intuitively understoo

Re: Status of Galeon in testing?

2004-01-24 Thread Nitebirdz
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 08:34:30PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > > Is there a browser that is acceptable for slow computers? My AMD K6II > 500MHz box takes forever to render a page, or even to switch tabs. > Tim, I know this doesn't address your question directly, but I'd check into possible pe

Dummy Flash plugin / URL extractor anyone?

2004-01-24 Thread Pigeon
In response to a request for information about yacht radar reflectors, I visited who manufacture such things and apparently provide polar diagrams. Unfortunately the entire useful content of their site is provided in .swf form. Does anyone know if there exists some kind

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread John Hasler
Nano Nano writes: > Ah, yes, but the answer is also, "sometimes" yes, grasshopper. "Grasshopper"? ROFL. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On 2004-01-24, Day Brown typed a lot of stuff. ... You're very clearly aware of the fact that most of the community, particularly most of the developer community, *wants* all of the safeguards and complexities that you find so inconvenient. If you really care so much for a single-user linux, per

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:43:56PM -0800, Day Brown wrote: > Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. > windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. Well technically Unix was designed for mid-sized computers... > I *never* get told I dont have 'permission' to

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nano Nano
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 03:30:14PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Nano Nano writes: > > Ah, yes, but the answer is also, "sometimes" yes, grasshopper. > > "Grasshopper"? ROFL. I thought everybody realized when you add that it's supposed to be a joke :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Nate Duehr
Day Brown wrote: Yes, Linux is terrific for networks. And if you are a sysad, by all means rely on it. If however, you are trying to run a single user desktop, then the whole business of having to logon and enter your password are a pain in the rectal orifice. The big problem with Corel is their re

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nate Duehr
John Hasler wrote: Nano Nano writes: From my own experiences at leadership of various things, all I can say is I have total sympathy for politicians. Put aside the concept of "sides" (as in "my side is winning") and ask yourself if you truly could do a better job. Wrong question. Ask yourself

Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nano Nano
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 03:17:24PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > >Nano Nano writes: > > > >>From my own experiences at leadership of various things, all I can say is > >>I have total sympathy for politicians. Put aside the concept of "sides" > >>(as in "my side is winning") and a

ATI radeon 9200, 2.6 kernel, xfree 4.3 - but still bad performance (dri failing?)

2004-01-24 Thread Alan Chandler
I an trying to get my radeon 9200 based graphics to perform properly with 3D. It worked with Gentoo, but now I've switched back to Debian, I can get it to work, and I can't find out whats wrong. I am using a standard "kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7" debian package "xserver-xfree" and "xlibmesa-dri"

Module loading

2004-01-24 Thread Rajesh Menon
Hi, how do we load modules at boot-time on debian? when i look at modules.conf, it says that I shouldnt edit it, and to use modconf and look at update-modules. also there are some files in /etc/modutils and is this where I should add the module specific lines? I'm trying to have 'snd-intel8x0' u

nVidia console terminals blank.

2004-01-24 Thread Rajesh Menon
Hi, again. I have the 4496 nVidia drivers installed on my debian sid running XF86 version 4.2.1.1 After startx, all the console terms from F1..6 are just blank (well, a nice glow is there at the bottom, but blank nonetheless). Anyone had a similar problem here, and found out a fix for this? Thank

Re: ATI radeon 9200, 2.6 kernel, xfree 4.3 - but still bad performance (dri failing?)

2004-01-24 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Alan Chandler wrote: I an trying to get my radeon 9200 based graphics to perform properly with 3D. It worked with Gentoo, but now I've switched back to Debian, I can get it to work, and I can't find out whats wrong. [SNIP] (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available [SNIP] Are you loading the agpg

Re: Module loading

2004-01-24 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Rajesh Menon wrote: Hi, how do we load modules at boot-time on debian? when i look at modules.conf, it says that I shouldnt edit it, and to use modconf and look at update-modules. also there are some files in /etc/modutils and is this where I should add the module specific lines? I'm trying to h

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Alan Shutko
Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The big problem with Corel is their relationship to SCO, who are > actively trying to kill Linux as we all now know it. Of course, they > won't be successful, but who wants to be in bed with the enemy. What relationship does Corel have to SCO? I remember

Re:Fw: Cok Sicak Debian-changes-request

2004-01-24 Thread Arzu Jale
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Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Not to mention the fact that the US is following more than one thread by >being by far the largest donor of aid to poorer nations Google for "foreign aid usa denmark netherlands" and you'll find things like http://www.just1wo

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Al Davis
On Saturday 24 January 2004 01:43 am, Day Brown wrote: > There is one other example from computer history that applies to our > power to control our own system: ".zip". Years ago, the BBS networks > were setup with archived files available with the ".PAK" extension. It was ".arc" . > When Phil Ka

Re: ATI radeon 9200, 2.6 kernel, xfree 4.3 - but still bad performance (dri failing?)

2004-01-24 Thread hanasaki
I have had zero success with the 3D. I was using straight sarge with its xfree4.2 and 2D acceleration. Downloaded the ATI stuff and still no luck. Same situation with my current setup, below: debian sarge kernel 2.6.1 xfree 4.3 from experimental (pinned) The x4.3 does

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:43:56PM -0800, Day Brown wrote: > Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. > windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. No. The original work on UNIX was done on a PDP 7, not a main frame. Its overall design was largely fixed befo

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:28:17PM -0500, Al Davis wrote: > You may copy and distribute this program freely, provided that: > 1) No fee is charged for such copying and distribution, and > 2) It is distributed ONLY in its original, unmodified state. > > How is this case different from G

Re: ATI radeon 9200, 2.6 kernel, xfree 4.3 - but still bad performance (dri failing?)

2004-01-24 Thread Alan Chandler
On Saturday 24 January 2004 11:31 pm, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Alan Chandler wrote: > > I an trying to get my radeon 9200 based graphics to perform properly with > > 3D. It worked with Gentoo, but now I've switched back to Debian, I can > > get it to work, and I can't find out whats wrong. > > [SNI

Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nano Nano
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:29:02PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Not to mention the fact that the US is following more than one thread by > >being by far the largest donor of aid to poorer nations > > Google for

Re: ALSA can't find modules

2004-01-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Greg Folkert (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 11:24, Andreas Janssen wrote: >> >> I think there are no precompiled modules for the standard Debian >> kernels, so you need the alsa-source package. > > Nope... > > I have a limited sources.list on this example machine, but

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Adam (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Saturday 24 January 2004 10:20, Andreas Janssen wrote: > Did you rerun lilo? > > By the way: > > # /sbin/lilo > Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. > Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' ->

Sound on startup

2004-01-24 Thread Rajesh Menon
Hello again. I have alsa built in as a module and have it loading along with the other modules (thanks to Roberto). i have aumix installed too. so i login, adjust my alsamixer, and do a "alsactl store". but it goes back to the default min level when i reboot. i read we have to store while shutt

Re: Cannot Open Root Device - Was: Unidentified subject!

2004-01-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello JAMES MERRITT (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > I tried typing linux root=/dev/hdb1 at the lilo prompt and it says > something about that not being one of the choices. Try "Linux root=/dev/hdb1" (note the capital letter). > The lilo menu I see is: > Linux WinNT (hda1) > WinNT or DOS (hdb6) <

Re: USB and IDE-SCSI devices not showing up (migration from Mandrake to Debian testing).

2004-01-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Adam (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Saturday 24 January 2004 10:20, Andreas Janssen wrote: > Did you mount the usbdevfs? Add this to your fstab: usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 > > Done. > Did you rerun lilo? >>> >>> Well, I rebooted! >> >> That doe

Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nano Nano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:29:02PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Not to mention the fact that the US is following more than one thread by >

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:43:56PM -0800, Day Brown wrote: > Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. > windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. > > One of the reasons I like to run the Corel version of debian, is that > because they wrote software for the

Re: ATI radeon 9200, 2.6 kernel, xfree 4.3 - but still bad performance (dri failing?)

2004-01-24 Thread Roberto Sanchez
hanasaki wrote: I have had zero success with the 3D. I was using straight sarge with its xfree4.2 and 2D acceleration. Downloaded the ATI stuff and still no luck. Same situation with my current setup, below: debian sarge kernel 2.6.1 xfree 4.3 from experimental (pinned) The x4.3 d

Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC

2004-01-24 Thread Nano Nano
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 04:16:24PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:29:02PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Not to mention the fact that the US is following more than one thread by > > >bei

Re: The threat to our national security

2004-01-24 Thread Christian Schnobrich
On Fre, 2004-01-23 at 13:31, Richard Kimber wrote: > > Are the top people "on our side of the fence" undertaking similar lobbying > campaigns? None I know of. And I think that's good. SCO's press releases often verge on the hysterical, and many times contradict what SCO has said only weeks (or

Re: ATI radeon 9200, 2.6 kernel, xfree 4.3 - but still bad performance (dri failing?)

2004-01-24 Thread hanasaki
Below output should answer your question. It is an ATI 9000 based board from PowerColor 128MB and outputs for VGA, DVI and TV 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01) 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Al Davis
On Saturday 24 January 2004 07:11 pm, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:28:17PM -0500, Al Davis wrote: > > You may copy and distribute this program freely, provided that: > >     1)   No fee is charged for such copying and distribution, and > >     2)   It is distributed ONLY in i

bad fonts in kde after installing gnome

2004-01-24 Thread Michael A. Endsley
Before I found out that gnome was broken (running Sarge), I d/led all the gnome files to try running gnome. I have been using kde. Since I couldn't get it to work (gnome), I deleted all the files I installed. I use two different users/logins because of different email addresses. Now the fonts for

Re: Derivative effects.

2004-01-24 Thread Nate Duehr
Alan Shutko wrote: Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The big problem with Corel is their relationship to SCO, who are actively trying to kill Linux as we all now know it. Of course, they won't be successful, but who wants to be in bed with the enemy. What relationship does Corel have to S

NVIDIA driver installation

2004-01-24 Thread walt frampus
I just downloaded and tried to install the NVIDIA driver and it failed. I had hit al-ctrl-F1 and went to INIT 3 any ideas? Walt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: NVIDIA driver installation

2004-01-24 Thread Johann Koenig
On Saturday January 24 at 10:31pm walt frampus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just downloaded and tried to install the NVIDIA driver and it > failed. I had hit al-ctrl-F1 and went to INIT 3 any ideas? No. Perhaps if you gave some more information it would be easier to help you. That being said,

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