Re: /usr/share/perl5/Publican/TreeView.pm has problem in runtime

2025-01-31 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
: # mohsen@debian:~$ publican Attempt to call undefined import method with arguments ("abs2rel") via package [1]"File::Spec" (Perhaps you forgot to load the package?) at /usr/share/perl5/ Publican/TreeView.pm line 12. Duplicate specification "help"

Re: /usr/share/perl5/Publican/TreeView.pm has problem in runtime

2025-01-31 Thread Henning Follmann
; error message: > > # > > > mohsen@debian:~$ publican > Attempt to call undefined import method with arguments ("abs2rel") via package > [1]"File::Spec" (Perhaps you forgot to load the package?) at /usr/share/perl5/ > Publican/TreeView.pm line 12. > Duplicate specifi

/usr/share/perl5/Publican/TreeView.pm has problem in runtime

2025-01-31 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
via package "File::Spec" (Perhaps you forgot to load the package?) at /usr/share/perl5/Publican/TreeView.pm line 12. Duplicate specification "help" for option "help" Can't open publican: No such file or

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-30 Thread John Hasler
Children are taught in elementary school that computer == Windows. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-29 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 10:44:37AM +0800, hlyg wrote: [...] > PS: i am aware that linux has more success in server market ... and the mobile market. Android is, on its underbelly, Linux after all. So Linux might have the most installations out there, I guess. Not that Microsoft didn't try -- th

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-29 Thread hlyg
lem if linux is used. 3rd, situation isn't favorable to linux, M$'s share is overwhelming, more users attract more developers, who write more apps, which attract more users. some apps run in Windows, not linux, making migration difficult 4th, price isn't decisive factor, switching

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share? [Dvorak]

2024-07-21 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 07:55:29PM -0600, Shawn Jefferds wrote: Your final statement makes me curious about learning Dvorak. Shawn Jefferds ??n ??f?rdz Noli fovere canem ardentum Vote Vader 2024! On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:37 Russell L. Harris wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +080

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 10:03 AM Joe wrote: > > > Basically, I think that with many more users, we would see more Windows > users and they would be less secure in their habits. We've already seen > this to some extent with Ubuntu. I don't think it's any more difficult > to write a virus for Li

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share? [Dvorak]

2024-07-21 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +0800, hlyg wrote: On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote: The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in di

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 12:19 PM Hans wrote: > > I do not agree to this. Updates should be installed as soon as they are > available. Especially security updates. It shows , that within 24 hours after > the release of an update, an exploit is available for this security hole. I think you may be c

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates) > > can run anything else as root > > So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian > stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most > machines in earl

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Anssi Saari
hlyg writes: > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development? But it has. The internet and what connects to it now mostly run Linux, other than Microsoft's single niche. Mobile phones run a Linux variant. The PC desktop is the only exception where they ha

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
t;> organization deciding which of the most recent three versions each >> of their computers will get) but just with a data-files update >> (which, as we have seen here, appears to go out to all clients >> regardless of version). > > At minimum, it is negligence. Agreed.

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Hans
I do not agree to this. Updates should be installed as soon as they are available. Especially security updates. It shows , that within 24 hours after the release of an update, an exploit is available for this security hole. But you should do it corrdectly, like some hospitals did: First check wi

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-21 at 10:42, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:27:17 -0400 gene heskett > wrote: > >> And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason >> for the lack of market share, which is that most business that have >> a computerized system to run t

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Richmond
Dan Ritter writes: > Richmond wrote: >> Jeffrey Walton writes: >> >> Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that >> they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows >> Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then >>

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Joe (12024-07-21): > And the important phrase there is 'if you want to'. The point is that > many people, especially those accustomed to running with admin > privileges on their Windows computers, would continue to do that. No, they will not. They will continue to follow the system default, whate

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Alain D D Williams (12024-07-21): > I only needed root as it was for another user. Exactly. On a computer with only one user account, once the pirate have access to that account, they can do everything that matters. Including spy the root password next time it is typed, but why waste the time when

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 05:18:46PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > And it does not matter, because on a personal computer the root account > is not what matters, what matters is the user account where you can > install a key logger and get banking credentials or encrypt all the data > and ask for a

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Joe (12024-07-21): > I accept what you say, the point I was making is that the more users, > and they will be less IT-competent users, the more will login as root. No, they will not. And it does not matter, because on a personal computer the root account is not what matters, what matters is the u

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Joe
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:13:00 +0200 Hans wrote: > > You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a > > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it > > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. > > Linux would become as virus-ridden

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates) > can run anything else as root So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most machines in early boot? Admittedly, the wider vari

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Dan Ritter
Richmond wrote: > Jeffrey Walton writes: > > Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that > they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows > Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then > they will allow a virus? Th

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Richmond
Jeffrey Walton writes: > This is alarming (to me) from the YC post: > > "we push software to your machines any time we want, > whether or not it's urgent, without testing it" seems to be > core to the model... > > Updates need to be tested inside an organization's lab, and then > test

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 12:40 AM wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the > > lack of market share, which is that most business that have a > computeriz

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread George at Clug
Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to slow the typist down, but rather to speed up typing. Indeed, there is evidence that, aside from the issue of jamming, placing often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages alternation between the ha

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
hlyg (12024-07-21): > is it possible to remap keyboard to Dvorak in X Window? Yes, of course. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Debian+dvorak > does anyone use it > to speed up typing? No, only to feel smug. # Later experiments have shown th

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread hlyg
On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote: The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment and addicted to novelty is deadly. Add to t

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:15 AM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows > > systems. > > Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to > Crowdstrike+Linux? > >

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:17:54AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > The CrowdStrike outage emulated the very thing it is alleged to protect > against - a zero day exploit. It was also a demonstration of a huge vulnerability. If $EvilActor were to get an agent employed at CrowdStrike/whoever then the

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:46:24AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > A plug for SELinux. It's been around for a long time. It was invented by the > NSA for use by Government agencies but they kindly open sourced it and it's > available on many Distros including Debian. > > SELinux is a real pain to g

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the > lack of market share, which is that most business that have a computerized > system to run things also value what their MBA says. And since

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows > systems. Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to Crowdstrike+Linux? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936 Nothing in t

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Bret Busby
On 21/7/24 10:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote: All this points to an incompetent board. If someone's head is going to be taken (figuratively), then it should start with the CEO and other executives. Yes. But, the people who should be sacked, with loss of benefits, are the board members and the CE

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
ligence. > The first would be poor institutional practice; the others would be > potentially-questionable software design, although it's hard to know > without seeing the internal architecture of the software in question and > understanding *why* it's designed that way.

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 21/7/24 07:28, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Again lacking data center experience? Every server in your data center that is outward-facing will be contacted by intruders on its open ports. That includes your Debian servers. If your apache server or application server running on Debian is vulne

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 21/7/24 06:38, The Wanderer wrote: The first would be poor institutional practice; the others would be potentially-questionable software design, although it's hard to know without seeing the internal architecture of the software in question and understanding*why* it's designed that way. I

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 16:45, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens it is evident that many people around still use Windows i wonder if linux is more reliable than

CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
> > In either case, it's not obvious to me why decapitating a few scapegoats > would *improve* the situation going forward, unless it can be determined > that specific people were actually negligent. Thanks Wanderer, Please no 'decapitating', or I would have lost my h

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 2:09 PM Joe wrote: > > You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. Linux > would become as virus-ridden as Windows.

CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote: > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: > >> On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote: >> >>> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue >>> screens >> >> The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike >> iss

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
Thank Clug and all that reply ! On 7/20/24 18:36, George at Clug wrote: Do you think Windows is not reliable? Why is that? Windows used to crash often, i rarely use it now, they say it's more stable these day Do you use Linux yourself? surely i use as this is debian user list Have you tried

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
Andy Smith (12024-07-20): > And yes here in the UK where we allowed the Post Office to pay > billions to Fujitsu to develop the Horizon IT system that > incorrectly accused hundreds of postmasters of fraud, resulting in > criminal prosecutions and at least one case of suicide. That was not a bug,

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 09:44:52PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > It seems clear to me that what's needed is a change in the law. At the > moment here in the UK we have national news services explaining that > airline passengers won't be able to get compensation because the > 'even

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread debian-user
Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: > > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens > > > > it is evident that many people around still use Windows > > > > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows > > For this specif

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Jeff Pang
I would think linux is better as server OS due to reasons of security, performance and Operability etc. Once aol mail was running on windows. But now aol is merged into yahoo mail which was originally run on freebsd but now linux mostly. And the initial hotmail was running on freebsd too IIRC

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens > > it is evident that many people around still use Windows > > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows For this specific issue, if Linux were used at the same

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Hans
> You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. Linux > would become as virus-ridden as Windows. > > It would also become a target for data h

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 09:59, Hans wrote: Hello, well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will. Many good developers will not be pai

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Joe
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:59:14 +0200 Hans wrote: > Hello, > > well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? > > Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? > Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all > devel

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Russell L. Harris
The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment and addicted to novelty is deadly. Add to that extortion and bribes and a compromised leg

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 12:16 AM wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:45:37PM +1000, David wrote: > > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote: > > [...] > > > > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of > > > development? > >

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Hans
Which is not quite correct. As a hamradio (I am one), you are allowed to develop your very owh rf-devices. Transceivers, measure equipment, whatever you like. Many things, we are using today in consumer devices are first developed by radio amateurs (example shorthand "packet radio", which is da

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 09:58, Larry Martell wrote: I’ve never owned a machine running windows in my life. I've owned one. I needed a lappy I could use with a gps for roadmap, had the then new XP on it, cleared the disk a week later and put mandrake on it because XP had no drivers that could run the broadco

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
gene heskett (12024-07-20): > > If they were, you'd have support for software-defined radio signal > > processing in FFmpeg, for example. > Which the current rules for such does not allow, by FCC edicts, only sealed > FCC approved blobs are allowed to play in the rf field. > So don't blame the code

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 23:59 Hans wrote: > Hello, > > well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? > > Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more > developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all develope

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 04:28, Nicolas George wrote: hlyg (12024-07-20): Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, The programmers who are attracted by market share are not neces

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Hans
Hello, well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will. Many good developers will not be paid and when the market will rule t

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Larry Martell
I’ve never owned a machine running windows in my life.

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike issue. The problem did not affect our Windows computers as we have no

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Jeff Pang
My reason to keep windows is that I can’t play Starcraft under Linux. -- Jeff Pang jeffp...@aol.com

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 20 Jul 2024 16:57 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg): >> statistics about market share might come from web servers and game servers, >> they know how many users use linux and Windows. > > No. They at most can know what platfo

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, Michael Grant wrote: > OpenOffice is quite featureful, it is not 100% bug for bug compatible with > real MS Office products. I failed to read an old version word file on a newer word. And succeed with libreoffice. So yes it's not 100% bug compatible :) > choices. There is no clea

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Jul 2024 16:57 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg): > statistics about market share might come from web servers and game servers, > they know how many users use linux and Windows. No. They at most can know what platform user agents report. Which isn't necessarily the same t

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Jul 2024 17:25 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): >> A lot of paid-for programmer time isn't necessarily for what the >> individual programmer_wants_ to do. If one's employer dictates that >> their products should support Mac OS and Windows, for example, then >> there's usu

why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread DdB
Am 20.07.2024 um 05:54 schrieb hlyg: > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development? I want to kickoff by reminding, that WHY questions are rarely useful, it is what small kidz are asking, when they want to learn, how to argue with adults. ;-) But approaching t

Re: Re[2]: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
Well said, Michael. On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 20:19 Michael Grant wrote: > My opinions only... > > 1) MS Office (Word/Excel/PPT/etc) has never been available for > Unix/Gnu-Linux. Word and Excel have long been 2 apps users require. > Not OpenOffice. While OpenOffice is quite featureful, it

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
x has only 4% desktop market, 73% for > MS, 15% for MacOS Windows is loosing ground?, they have over 90% market share once, when I was checking out stats. > > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development? Do you use Linux yourself? If not, why not

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
On 7/20/24 15:02, Michel Verdier wrote: Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say how many people is using debian? Once upon a time there was a linuxcounter... Thank tomas, Verdier and George! statistics about market share might come from web servers and game

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/7/24 16:56, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 20 Jul 2024 10:28 +0200, fromgeo...@nsup.org (Nicolas George): Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, The prog

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Jul 2024 10:28 +0200, from geo...@nsup.org (Nicolas George): >> Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable >> recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who >> develop more apps, > > The programmers wh

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
hlyg (12024-07-20): > Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable > recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who > develop more apps, The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necessarily the ones who are

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, which attract more users. e.g. many vpn providers support Windows and android, not linux. linux can get distributed by word

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, hlyg wrote: > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows no doubt :) > according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for MS, 15% > for MacOS Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say how many people is using debian? Once u

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:45:37PM +1000, David wrote: > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote: [...] > > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of > > development? > > Because people don't have it hammered into them via the educati

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread David
nly 4% desktop market, 73% > for > MS, 15% for MacOS Market share is not a reliable recommendation for quality. How much market share do Rolls Royce or Bugatti have? > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of > development? Because people don't have it ham

why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread hlyg
more share even after 30 years of development?

Re: Update on problem mounting NFS share

2023-10-05 Thread David Christensen
but they introduce complexities -- Unskilled users? Usage consistency from Windows Explorer, Command Prompt, Finder, Terminal, Thunar, Terminal Emulator, etc.? Unix or Windows ACL's? Backup and restore? Integrity auditing and validation? I chose to implement a "groupshare"

Re: Update on problem mounting NFS share

2023-10-04 Thread David Christensen
On 10/4/23 05:03, Steve Matzura wrote: On 10/3/2023 6:06 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 10/3/23 12:03, Steve Matzura wrote: I gave up on the NFS business and went back to good old buggy but reliable SAMBA (LOL), ... I have attempted to document the current state of Samba on my SOHO, below.

Re: Update on problem mounting NFS share

2023-10-03 Thread David Christensen
gVol1 /mnt/bigvol1 civs vers=2.0,credentials=/root/smbcreds,ro That should work, right? Well, it does, but only sometimes. If I boot the system, the remote share isn't there. If I unmount everything with 'umount -a', wait a few seconds, then remount everything with 'mount -a

Re: Update on problem mounting NFS share

2023-10-03 Thread piorunz
On 03/10/2023 20:03, Steve Matzura wrote: I gave up on the NFS business Why? and went back to good old buggy but reliable SAMBA (LOL) :o Sorry but I think you created bigger problem that you already had. NFS works great, I've been using it for years and it never failed me. I cannot image w

Update on problem mounting NFS share

2023-10-03 Thread Steve Matzura
tials=/root/smbcreds,ro That should work, right? Well, it does, but only sometimes. If I boot the system, the remote share isn't there. If I unmount everything with 'umount -a', wait a few seconds, then remount everything with 'mount -a', I sometimes have to do it twic

Re: Google Chrome can share but Chromium cannot share screen

2022-09-11 Thread Pankaj Jangid
Corentin Bardet writes: > I think you have no other option than using Google Chrome for your > meetings. Screen sharing works in Firefox ESR on Wayland. So I still have options. Just that few features - like blur background etc. doesn't work in FF.

Re: Google Chrome can share but Chromium cannot share screen

2022-09-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 2022-09-11 at 10:26 +0200, Corentin Bardet wrote: > Hi, > > Le 2022-09-11 07:39, Pankaj Jangid a écrit : > > For a few work related meetings, I have to use Google Meet. But the > > screensharing doesn't work in the Chromium installed from stable APT > > r

Re: Google Chrome can share but Chromium cannot share screen

2022-09-11 Thread David
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 10:26, Corentin Bardet wrote: Hi, Le 2022-09-11 07:39, Pankaj Jangid a écrit : For a few work related meetings, I have to use Google Meet. But the screensharing doesn't work in the Chromium installed from stable APT repository. Clicking on the share-screen ico

Re: Google Chrome can share but Chromium cannot share screen

2022-09-11 Thread Corentin Bardet
Hi, Le 2022-09-11 07:39, Pankaj Jangid a écrit : For a few work related meetings, I have to use Google Meet. But the screensharing doesn't work in the Chromium installed from stable APT repository. Clicking on the share-screen icon and then selecting any of the three options - Tab, Wi

Google Chrome can share but Chromium cannot share screen

2022-09-10 Thread Pankaj Jangid
For a few work related meetings, I have to use Google Meet. But the screensharing doesn't work in the Chromium installed from stable APT repository. Clicking on the share-screen icon and then selecting any of the three options - Tab, Windows, Entire Screen - shows this error message,

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-10 Thread Anssi Saari
nce in order to make NFSv4 work it's necessary to configure > a "root" share with fsid=0 or something like that and mount > the actual shares using a path relative to it (my NFS "server" is > currently down, so I can't check exactly what I did). That's the

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
ep nfs'). In my experience in order to make NFSv4 work it's necessary to configure a "root" share with fsid=0 or something like that and mount the actual shares using a path relative to it (my NFS "server" is currently down, so I can't check exactly what I did

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-03 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-02-03 08:52 UTC+0100, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2022-02-02 at 17:06 -0500, Bob Weber wrote: > [...] >> I second the sshfs approach.   I use it between several Debian servers and >> have >> been happy with the results.  Once setup in the fstab a click in a GUI or >> mount >> command on th

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-02 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2022-02-02 at 17:06 -0500, Bob Weber wrote: [...] > I second the sshfs approach.   I use it between several Debian servers and > have > been happy with the results.  Once setup in the fstab a click in a GUI or > mount > command on the cli mounts the remote server on a directory specifie

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-02 Thread Christian Britz
sshfs, although I have used it on other occasions in the past. It works perfectly and I have disabled the other file share options on the NAS. The performance feels even better compared to SMB and NFS. In the long term, I will setup my own Debian based home server, there are many usefull suggestions in the other thread.

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-02 Thread Bob Weber
On 2/2/22 07:36, gene heskett wrote: Sounds like how my network grew, with more cnc'd machines added. But I was never able the make MFSv4 Just Work for anything for more than the next reboot of one of the machines. Then I discovered sshfs which Just Does anything the user can do, it does not al

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-02 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-02-02 02:01 UTC+0100, Christian Britz wrote: > Thank you, that was the right hint, the solution to get it work (with > NFS4 support) with IP based "security" was: [...] > Is my assumption right, that I would have to setup a Kerberos server to > achieve real security? I am thinking ab

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-02 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 6:49:38 AM EST Anssi Saari wrote: > Greg Wooledge writes: > > I'm unclear on how NFS v4 works. Everything I've read about it in > > the > > past says that you have to set up a user mapping, which is shared by > > the client and the server. And that this is *not* op

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-02 Thread Anssi Saari
Greg Wooledge writes: > I'm unclear on how NFS v4 works. Everything I've read about it in the > past says that you have to set up a user mapping, which is shared by > the client and the server. And that this is *not* optional, and *is* > exactly as much of a pain as it sounds. I've never done

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-01 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-02-01 17:28 UTC+0100, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 04:32:57PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote: >> 2. Accessing the mounted share with my personal user: The access rights >> for /Daten look right, the user on the NAS has the same name as the user >&g

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-01 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-02-01 17:36 UTC+0100, Bob Weber wrote: > On 2/1/22 10:32, Christian Britz wrote: >> This is my entry in /etc/fstab: >> diskstation:/volume1/Medien /Daten nfs >> nfsvers=4,rw,x-systemd.automount,noauto 0 0 >> > Have you tried the user option in fstab?  > > user - Permit any user to mount

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-01 Thread Tixy
On Tue, 2022-02-01 at 11:43 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > I'm unclear on how NFS v4 works. Everything I've read about it in the > past says that you have to set up a user mapping, which is shared by > the client and the server. And that this is *not* optional, and *is* > exactly as much of

Re: Mounting NFS share from Synology NAS

2022-02-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
> Mounting only works as root, I guess this is expected without further > > configuration. > > > > 1. Security: It seems that the only security check is the check for my > > IP adress. Is it possible to achieve more without dealing with Kerberos? > > > > 2.

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