killall kills frozen t-bird

2024-12-09 Thread gene heskett
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-29 Thread Shalom Ben-Zvii Kazaz
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Re: laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-29 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 01:59:51 AM Shalom Ben-Zvii Kazaz wrote: > There is no ssh when its frozen Hmm, I'm a little confused, and maybe you are, also. I think the intent of the advice was to log into the frozen laptop from another computer / device, using ssh *while the frozen l

Re: laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-28 Thread Shalom Ben-Zvii Kazaz
There is no ssh when its frozen On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:19 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > completely frozen, need to shut down and restart. > > I'd check to see "how" frozen it is: e.g. try to log into it via SSH (or > better yet, keep an `ssh` or `mosh` conn

Re: laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> completely frozen, need to shut down and restart. I'd check to see "how" frozen it is: e.g. try to log into it via SSH (or better yet, keep an `ssh` or `mosh` connection to it with an `atop` or `top` running inside of it, and/or `journalctl -f` so when it freezes you can imme

Re: laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-23 Thread Kent West
On 1/23/23 11:59, Shalom Ben-Zvii Kazaz wrote: since the latest full-upgrade three days ago on my laptop the computer gets completely frozen sometimes, yesterday got frozen few times when i tried to open zoom. today few times when i tried to open brave browser. completely frozen, need to shut

Re: laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-23 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:00 PM Shalom Ben-Zvii Kazaz wrote: > > since the latest full-upgrade three days ago on my laptop the computer gets > completely frozen sometimes, yesterday got frozen few times when i tried to > open zoom. today few times when i tried to open brave browser

laptop frozen when opening apps, debian testing with gnome

2023-01-23 Thread Shalom Ben-Zvii Kazaz
Hi since the latest full-upgrade three days ago on my laptop the computer gets completely frozen sometimes, yesterday got frozen few times when i tried to open zoom. today few times when i tried to open brave browser. completely frozen, need to shut down and restart. i'm running debian testin

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-17 Thread Mick Ab
is reachable as X might have problems. > > Unlikely: OP reported keyboard is frozen, too. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" > / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" > I'm in need of your help now > Burn - Judgement Centre >

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-17 Thread Joe
On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:23:53 +0100 Mick Ab wrote: > Thanks very much, David, for your help. > > Unfortunately it is not possible to log in to the PC from elsewhere. > > As to most of your other points, they will have to wait for another > similar freeze. > > I was not able to check logs becaus

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-17 Thread Mick Ab
C has failed to > > be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and > > keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monitor appears to be off and on > > one occasion it was on. > > Like others, I would try logging in over the network to see if > that is still up. &

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-16 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-15 09:21, Mick Ab wrote: I have a fairly new desktop PC running Debian 11. Recently there have been a few occasions when the PC has failed to be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monitor appears to be off and on one

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread David Wright
On Wed 15 Jun 2022 at 09:21:58 (+0100), Mick Ab wrote: > I have a fairly new desktop PC running Debian 11. Recently there have been > a few occasions when the PC has failed to > be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and > keyboard are frozen. Sometimes

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread Charlie Gibbs
eing left overnight. >> The mouse and keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monitor >> appears to be off and on one occasion it was on. >> >> A hard reboot has been used to reset the PC, but it is not a good >> idea to keep doing that. >> >> There is also a worr

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread Hans
hanging. So no input is possible. It is also no more possible, to switch to the console or login from external, because the complete system is frozen then. When lucky, you can see the mouse cursor move, but clicking is not possible any more. It also appeears, that if you wait, it might happen, the

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 15:15:35 +0100 Joe wrote: Hello Joe, >Also try Ctrl-Alt-F3 >to see if a console is reachable as X might have problems. Unlikely: OP reported keyboard is frozen, too. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread Joe
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:21:58 +0100 Mick Ab wrote: > I have a fairly new desktop PC running Debian 11. Recently there have > been a few occasions when the PC has failed to > be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and > keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the mon

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread rhkramer
he morning after being left overnight. The mouse and > > keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monitor appears to be off and on > > one occasion it was on. > > > > I leave my laptop on 24x7x365 and I do not have any issues. I do not have > > it setup to go to sleep or

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-15 09:21, Mick Ab wrote: I have a fairly new desktop PC running Debian 11. Recently there have been a few occasions when the PC has failed to be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monitor appears to be off and on one

Re: Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 4:22 AM Mick Ab wrote: > I have a fairly new desktop PC running Debian 11. Recently there have been > a few occasions when the PC has failed to > be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and > keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monito

Frozen mouse and keyboard

2022-06-15 Thread Mick Ab
I have a fairly new desktop PC running Debian 11. Recently there have been a few occasions when the PC has failed to be woken up in the morning after being left overnight. The mouse and keyboard are frozen. Sometimes the monitor appears to be off and on one occasion it was on. A hard reboot has

Re: Booting is frozen on GDM Firmware problem

2021-03-11 Thread arnuld
I used these ISOs to install: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/bullseye_di_alpha3+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non

Re: Booting is frozen on GDM Firmware problem

2021-03-10 Thread arnuld
BTW, I used this firmware ISO image to insall Debian: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ -- Regards, ARNULD

Booting is frozen on GDM + Firmware problem

2021-03-10 Thread arnuld
theros https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-amd-graphics Though debian configured Wi-Fi fine during installation, now I am stuck with a frozen boot and Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or 2/3/4/5/6/7) does not give me a tty either. What should I do? P.S. I tried debian testing netinst iso too but that gives even a

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-05-05 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 22/04/19 21:20, Andrea Borgia ha scritto: This meant that X session was not locked and, now after resuming, the apps are still there and the mouse moves. Thing is, nothing else works: can't click anywhere, alt-tab does nothing, only switching back to console works. Clock is stuck at 20 min

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-27 Thread Leandro Noferini
Andrea Borgia writes: > Still no solution but an interesting tidbit: I've tried running > pm-hibernate from the console with debugging. > > This meant that X session was not locked and, now after resuming, the > apps are still there and the mouse moves. Thing is, nothing else > works: can't click

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-22 Thread Andrea Borgia
Still no solution but an interesting tidbit: I've tried running pm-hibernate from the console with debugging. This meant that X session was not locked and, now after resuming, the apps are still there and the mouse moves. Thing is, nothing else works: can't click anywhere, alt-tab does nothing, on

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-21 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 21/04/19 13:44, hdv@gmail ha scritto: I hope you can get rid of your problem soon as well! Glad I could help, let's see if I get lucky. Regards, Andrea.

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-21 Thread hdv@gmail
On 21/04/2019 10.42, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Il 20/04/19 18:16, hdv@gmail ha scritto: > > >> I see the same type of problems. > > Hmm, I'm not so sure about it: in my case the sytem works except (parts of) X > and it is most likely not kernel-related. In your case it doesn't even resume > properl

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-21 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 20/04/19 18:16, hdv@gmail ha scritto: I see the same type of problems. Hmm, I'm not so sure about it: in my case the sytem works except (parts of) X and it is most likely not kernel-related. In your case it doesn't even resume properly, it seems. You might want to have a look at bugzil

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-20 Thread hdv@gmail
On 20/04/2019 17.43, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Hi. > > Running the testing branch and using xfce, the last couple of resumes from > hibernation were problematic: the first one had the suspend dialog still > visible > with the "yes" button still pushed in, all applications were open, the mouse > coul

testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

2019-04-20 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Running the testing branch and using xfce, the last couple of resumes from hibernation were problematic: the first one had the suspend dialog still visible with the "yes" button still pushed in, all applications were open, the mouse could move but not actually click anything. Keyboard wor

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 May 2017 15:57:29 G wrote: > I'm thinking installing Debian testing (stretch)on my laptop and then > follow stretch but i am wondering what will happen when todays Debian > testing becomes stable. Am i have to reinstall Debian when testing > becomes stable? No. > > I search around

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 05:57:29PM +0300, G wrote: Hello. I'm new here so i would like to confirm/ask some questions. First of all as far as i can understand Debian stretch is frozen. And is becoming more and more stable since no more packages are added and from now on the development team

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 05:57:29PM +0300, G wrote: > I'm thinking installing Debian testing (stretch)on my laptop and then > follow stretch but i am wondering what will happen when todays Debian > testing becomes stable. Am i have to reinstall Debian when testing > becomes stable? No. You just ke

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread G
Hello. I'm new here so i would like to confirm/ask some questions. First of all as far as i can understand Debian stretch is frozen. And is becoming more and more stable since no more packages are added and from now on the development team just fix bugs. I'm thinking installing Debi

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread RavenLX
On 05/16/2017 11:23 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: *ROFL!* ;/ I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI of an organizat

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread RavenLX
On 05/16/2017 02:18 PM, deloptes wrote: Thanatos Incarnate wrote: My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile, KDE having GUI el

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread RavenLX
On 05/16/2017 07:22 AM, Thanatos Incarnate wrote: Hello there, My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile, KDE having GUI el

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:26:51PM -0400, Fungi4All wrote: > But in recent times have brought me various frustrations with deb... > particularly with resolv.conf acting as it has a mind of its own and > vanishing my set of dns collections and replacing them with its believed to > be best for me. I

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/16/2017 10:23 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: *ROFL!* ;/ I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI of an organizatio

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread deloptes
Fungi4All wrote: > The best thing about manjaro is that it is not ubuntu (which is like > Debian in drag without a personality) and I don't dare even look at > someone's machine that mentions mint. Ubuntu to me is like a Porsche 914, > a VW beatle mascaraded into a sports car. I'll just go with Fi

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: *ROFL!* ;/ I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI of an organization recently in the news. I investigated "Li

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread SDA
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > *ROFL!* ;/ > I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. > About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI > of an organization recently in the news. > I investigated "Linux from Scratch", Slackwa

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Fungi4All
I've been cheating after years of being a debian purist. I do like lxde and often plain openbox with my custom panel. But in recent times have brought me various frustrations with deb... particularly with resolv.conf acting as it has a mind of its own and vanishing my set of dns collections and

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Felix Miata
Richard Owlett composed on 2017-05-16 06:17 (UTC-0500): > On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: >> I wouldn't use dedicated boot partition in your case. For testing >> you can leave all on one partition. If you use dedicated boot >> partition and want to share it among different installs - watc

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread deloptes
Thanatos Incarnate wrote: > My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then > Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts > (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove > profile, KDE having GUI elements that follow your set theme,

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 May 2017 at 08:58:27 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/16/2017 06:26 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > >On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:17:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: > >>>Richard Owlett wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > >>>mkdir test && cd test && zcat /

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/16/2017 06:26 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:17:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: mkdir test && cd test && zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -Hnewc -i I may not be "prophet or son of a prophet"

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/16/2017 06:22 AM, Thanatos Incarnate wrote: Hello there, Hi right back ;} My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile,

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:17:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: mkdir test && cd test && zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -Hnewc -i I may not be "prophet or son of a prophet", but I see a "lab practical" on parsing in

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Thanatos Incarnate
Hello there, My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile, KDE having GUI elements that follow your set theme, but then also o

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owle

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-15 Thread deloptes
Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote: >> On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: >>> On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: > On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> I

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread Brian
On Sun 14 May 2017 at 08:57:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > 1. Can I retroactively choose "include all available drivers" and > if so, how? https://wiki.debian.org/Initrd

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread Richard Owlett
Thank you. On 05/14/2017 07:09 AM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 14 May 2017 04:57:07 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose label is "common". I could

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose label is "common". I could

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread Joe
On Sun, 14 May 2017 04:57:07 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: > > On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 > > RavenLX wrote: > > > >> On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>> I have a partition whose label is "common". > >> > >> I could almost smack my

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread David Wright
On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: > >On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 > >RavenLX wrote: > > > >>On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>>I have a partition whose label is "common". > >> > >>I could almost smack myself in

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose label is "common". I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see w

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-14 Thread Joe
On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: > On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have a partition whose label is "common". > > I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used > to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see why I'm not a fan of > dua

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-13 Thread RavenLX
On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose label is "common". I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see why I'm not a fan of dual-boot, I guess! LOL!). I also used to dual boot SolydX and Soly

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/13/2017 07:08 AM, RavenLX wrote: [snip] Also I hate dual-booting. I normally forget the other OS is there and it just sets there just taking up HD space instead. [snip] Having dual boot systems has it's advantages and disadvantages. But in my particular case, I've found virtual machines to

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-13 Thread songbird
RavenLX wrote: > On 05/10/2017 07:57 AM, songbird wrote: >>you can set up several partitions with different >> levels of fun if you want. > > My spare laptop has a 250 GB HD and the laptop I use all the time has a > 600 GB HD. I already have both partitioned for *one* OS - Debian 8. I > reall

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-13 Thread RavenLX
On 05/10/2017 09:19 AM, Michael Milliman wrote: On 05/10/2017 06:57 AM, songbird wrote: [...] if you wanted to you could have one partition for booting the stable distribution and only update that when you have a good time for that. the thing with these setups is that in Debian you don't

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-13 Thread RavenLX
On 05/10/2017 07:57 AM, songbird wrote: you can set up several partitions with different levels of fun if you want. My spare laptop has a 250 GB HD and the laptop I use all the time has a 600 GB HD. I already have both partitioned for *one* OS - Debian 8. I really don't want to go through

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-12 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 12:03 PM, RavenLX wrote: > My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do > sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have to > go and do some work right away on something important. Customers would be > relying on my abilit

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-10 Thread Fungi4All
From: rave...@sitesplace.net >My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do >sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have >to go and do some work right away on something important. Customers >would be relying on my ability to fix things. So, I

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-10 Thread Michael Milliman
On 05/10/2017 06:57 AM, songbird wrote: [...] > if you wanted to you could have one partition for > booting the stable distribution and only update that > when you have a good time for that. > > the thing with these setups is that in Debian you > don't have to get automatic updates if you don'

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-10 Thread songbird
RavenLX wrote: > My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do > sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have > to go and do some work right away on something important. Customers > would be relying on my ability to fix things. So, I really c

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-09 Thread RavenLX
My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have to go and do some work right away on something important. Customers would be relying on my ability to fix things. So, I really can't afford something

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 May 2017 at 17:07:34 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > experimental is not a distribution. Someone with a sense of humour gave > > it the codename "rc-buggy". At the present time many of the packages > > there are being held back from unstable because of the freeze. Once >

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 05:55:44PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare laptop > or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources list to > that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. At this point - except for an importan

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread Sven Hartge
Brian wrote: > experimental is not a distribution. Someone with a sense of humour gave > it the codename "rc-buggy". At the present time many of the packages > there are being held back from unstable because of the freeze. Once > Stretch is officially released they will migrate to unstable. Just

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 May 2017 at 12:13:30 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 08 May 2017 00:45:34 Michael Milliman wrote: > > Many people also run Experimental > > (Sid) for the benefit of bleeding-edge versions of software, but a lot > > of instability (in all senses of the word). > > No, Sid is not the

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 07:38:34PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > What list do I report bugs to and is there something online that tells > someone (who doesn't normally report bugs) the proper way to do bug reports? For most users, the preferred way is to run the reportbug program. You can see more det

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread songbird
Michael Milliman wrote: > On 05/07/2017 04:19 PM, RavenLX wrote: >> On 05/07/2017 04:33 PM, cbannis...@kinect.co.nz wrote: >>> By the way, the words "unstable" "stable" as used in the distribution >>> names >>> don't mean likely to crash, --- it refers to the amount of changes >>> occurring, i.e. '

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 May 2017 00:45:34 Michael Milliman wrote: > Many people also run Experimental > (Sid) for the benefit of bleeding-edge versions of software, but a lot > of instability (in all senses of the word). No, Sid is not the same as Experimental. Sid is Unstable. Then there is also Experime

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 05/07/2017 04:19 PM, RavenLX wrote: > On 05/07/2017 04:33 PM, cbannis...@kinect.co.nz wrote: >> By the way, the words "unstable" "stable" as used in the distribution >> names >> don't mean likely to crash, --- it refers to the amount of changes >> occurring, i.e. 'stable' has no new packages e

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-07 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 5/6/17, Michael Milliman wrote: > > On 05/06/2017 04:55 PM, RavenLX wrote: >> I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare >> laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources >> list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. >> > I can't s

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-07 Thread RavenLX
On 05/07/2017 04:33 PM, cbannis...@kinect.co.nz wrote: By the way, the words "unstable" "stable" as used in the distribution names don't mean likely to crash, --- it refers to the amount of changes occurring, i.e. 'stable' has no new packages entering it, and supposedly only security updates, whe

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread Michael Milliman
My pleasure. Good luck! 73's, de WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray On May 6, 2017 9:24 PM, "RavenLX" wrote: > On 05/06/2017 08:07 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: > >> That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times >> to determine where to report bugs. However, if the bug is wi

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread RavenLX
On 05/06/2017 08:07 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times to determine where to report bugs. However, if the bug is within the Debian distribution, I would use the Debian bug reporter to report it, the development team will work with u

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread Michael Milliman
On 05/06/2017 06:38 PM, RavenLX wrote: > On 05/06/2017 06:46 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: >> beta testing. Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage, >> most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably >> ready for production. H

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread RavenLX
On 05/06/2017 06:46 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: beta testing. Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage, most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably ready for production. However, they may still be a few problems to be worked out...it is a beta

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread RavenLX
On 05/06/2017 06:31 PM, Fungi4All wrote: First check the hardware differences that are supported, then take a look at the bug lists for testing and unstable to see if you are using any buggy packages that do not apply on stable. If you don't see anything that relates to your use you will be ha

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread Michael Milliman
ally, but In installed Stretch a couple of months ago on my older laptop. It has been running without a hitch 24/7 since then. > My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still > pretty much not suitable for production yet? The word 'stable' doesn&#

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread Fungi4All
h and sid have been rock stable, in most cases you can hardly tell the difference from Jessie. > My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still > pretty much not suitable for production yet? I also use a couple > programs from outside ppas (*gulp!* :

How stable is the frozen stretch?

2017-05-06 Thread RavenLX
I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still pretty m

Re: Keyboard frozen after changing screen brightness

2016-03-31 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 11:55:43 +0200 Jan Niggemann wrote: > Hi all, > > since upgrading Wheezy -> Jessie, I have areproducible issue. I'll try > my best to describe my setup, should anything be missing please ask for > clarification. > > Environment > Lenovo T400 > Jessie (i686) > GNOME 3.14.1 >

Re: Keyboard frozen after changing screen brightness

2016-03-31 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 11:55 +0200, Jan Niggemann wrote: > Hi all, > > since upgrading Wheezy -> Jessie, I have areproducible issue. I'll > try > my best to describe my setup, should anything be missing please ask > for > clarification. > > Environment > Lenovo T400 > Jessie (i686) > GNOME 3.14.1

Keyboard frozen after changing screen brightness

2016-03-30 Thread Jan Niggemann
Hi all, since upgrading Wheezy -> Jessie, I have areproducible issue. I'll try my best to describe my setup, should anything be missing please ask for clarification. Environment Lenovo T400 Jessie (i686) GNOME 3.14.1 I boot normally and log in. When pressing Fn+Home to increase brightness or Fn+

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-25 Thread Frank McCormick
On 25/03/16 03:55 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: Frank McCormick wrote: Last time I checked...last night...the google-chrome repository still wasn't fixed. However my system still downloaded and installed the latest google-chrome. That still is out of the hands of the Debian maintainers, this is

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-25 Thread Sven Hartge
Frank McCormick wrote: >Last time I checked...last night...the google-chrome repository > still wasn't fixed. However my system still downloaded and installed the > latest google-chrome. That still is out of the hands of the Debian maintainers, this is something Google has to fix on their

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-25 Thread David Wright
On Tue 22 Mar 2016 at 12:45:46 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: > Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > > Any clue to why the debian repositories, especially testing and sid, > > seem to be unchanged since Mar 20th? > > Maybe this has something to do with the removal of the SHA1 checksums in > the Release fil

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-25 Thread Frank McCormick
On 25/03/16 12:15 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, at 07:05, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Meanwhile, the issue seems to be fixed. New packages appearing again in the testing and sid repositories. Yes, it is fixed. It was broken for two or three days, only. Users of debm

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, at 07:05, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Meanwhile, the issue seems to be fixed. New packages appearing again in > the > testing and sid repositories. Yes, it is fixed. It was broken for two or three days, only. Users of debmirror that have mirrors of testing or unstable will wa

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-25 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Meanwhile, the issue seems to be fixed. New packages appearing again in the testing and sid repositories. Regards, jvp.

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 22 Mar 2016 at 12:45:46 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: > Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > > Any clue to why the debian repositories, especially testing and sid, > > seem to be unchanged since Mar 20th? > > Maybe this has something to do with the removal of the SHA1 checksums in > the Release fil

Re: repositories frozen since Mar 20th?

2016-03-22 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Sven Hartge wrote on 03/22/16 12:45: > Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > >> Any clue to why the debian repositories, especially testing and sid, >> seem to be unchanged since Mar 20th? > > Maybe this has something to do with the removal of the SHA1 checksums in > the Release file and the removal of gzi

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