On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:46:11PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I assume you find it more productive to bury your head in the sand
> about potential impacts of really major changes to the plumbing of a
> platform, and wait for things to break after-the-fact?
I suspect Steve will continue to work
Subject line about says it.
Didnt exactly disappear but became zero-length.
Checked because there seemed to nothing in the history.
Closed that shell and restarted.
The last shell's commands were there, nothing else
Wouldn't bother asking were it not for shellshock...
Debian jessie (with systemd
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:45:03PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> >> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
> >>should not be named. Most, if not all of the argument
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:45:03PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as
against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than strin
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:45:03PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
> should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as
> against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than stringent technichnical
>
Joey Hess wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
1. Whether or not there's a clear statement regarding the installer - will
users be presented with a clear choice of init systems during installation,
or is it going to be left to folks to figure out how to work around the
default installation of systemd?
Marty wrote:
On 10/13/2014 07:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian --
the need to
do so, particularly when this concerns production servers.
Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debia
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> 1. Whether or not there's a clear statement regarding the installer - will
> users be presented with a clear choice of init systems during installation,
> or is it going to be left to folks to figure out how to work around the
> default installation of systemd?
It's not bee
On 10/13/14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Apropos all the discussion on systemd, I'm curious about how to
> determine all the packages that depend on it.
>
> All my systems are running squeeze (call me very conservative when it
> comes to upgrades - actually, I have one, very stable virtual machine
> t
On 10/13/2014 7:57 PM, lee wrote:
> Martin Read writes:
>
>> On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote:
>>> Bas Wijnen writes:
Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to
be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7).
This has not happened.
>>>
Martin Read writes:
> On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote:
>> Bas Wijnen writes:
>>> Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to
>>> be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7).
>>> This has not happened.
>>
>> I know, and I'm suggesting to omit this r
Matthias Urlichs writes:
> But please don't just do this in the context of yet another attempt to
> express dissatisfaction with the fact that our TC chose systemd:
> if you do, I do not think you'll achieve anything except more annoyance
> about the fact that we're discussing this *again*, and f
Joey Hess writes:
> So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject.
And just ignore it and the consequences because you're tired of thinking
about it?
> Secondly, Russ Allbrey did an amazing job during the -ctte decision of
> weighing systemd vs the alternatives.
Has any of this
Matthias Urlichs writes:
> Hi,
>
> lee:
>> I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst
>> the users (here).
>
> We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian
> members/maintainers/developers/take-your-pick.
I didn't suggest a GR amongst the users, though I d
Joel Rees writes:
> Presto: All dissent is fud.
Perfectly said, thank you!
That the issue isn't entirely clear lies in the nature of the issue. If
you are a good admin, you know how to deal with such issues.
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On 10/13/2014 9:53 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Apologies if this comes through twice - it doesn't look like the first
> one made it (and I got no bounce message :) ).
>
Crap - then I didn't get it threaded properly. Sorry about that, all.
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On 10/13/2014 8:40 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/13/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote:
>>> Brian writes:
>>>
The mail is accepted. What the recipient does w
On 10/13/2014 07:14 PM, Brian wrote:
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 08:02:28 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote:
>
>> This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make Systemd
>> default in Jess
Since Andrei didn't seem to have CC-ed you,
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg00873.html
He said,
> See if your kernel includes all the needed options for systemd
> /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.gz
Also, I'm sure the arm list will be of more use, am adding them to the CC list
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 10/13/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote:
Brian writes:
The mail is accepted. What the recipient does with the mail after that
is outside the scope of an RFC. There is no obligation on the recipient
to inform the sender that he has ripped up the mail and junked it.
When the MTA
On 10/13/2014 07:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to
do so, particularly when this concerns production servers.
Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie)
re
On 10/13/2014 7:18 PM, lee wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>
>> And, in fact, more and more ISPs are just accepting and discarding
>> emails to non-existent users because rejecting such email helps spammers
>> (any non-rejected email must be a valid user).
>
> That's totally retarded. When I don
On 10/13/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote:
> Brian writes:
>
>> The mail is accepted. What the recipient does with the mail after that
>> is outside the scope of an RFC. There is no obligation on the recipient
>> to inform the sender that he has ripped up the mail and junked it.
>
> When the MTA delivers
On 10/13/2014 05:08 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 12 October 2014 13:42:52 JPT wrote:
any idea what the problem is, and how to solve?
Those with better heads than I will help you with this, but why on earth at
this time are you running Jessie headless? Surely, if you need to run
headless, i
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:18 AM, lee wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>
>> And, in fact, more and more ISPs are just accepting and discarding
>> emails to non-existent users because rejecting such email helps spammers
>> (any non-rejected email must be a valid user).
>
> That's totally retarded. W
Steve McIntyre wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
-=-=-=-=-=-
Miles Fidelman wrote:
But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to
do so, particularly when this concerns production servers.
Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie)
release of De
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 08:02:28 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Brian wrote:
>> > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote:
>> >
>> >> This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make
>>
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On 14/10/2014 9:50 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8
> (jessie) release of Debian. So you can continue to boot your
> production servers with sysvinit.
Okay, for now, that is until more packages dec
Apropos all the discussion on systemd, I'm curious about how to
determine all the packages that depend on it.
All my systems are running squeeze (call me very conservative when it
comes to upgrades - actually, I have one, very stable virtual machine
that still runs lenny)), and apt-rdepends se
Jerry Stuckle writes:
> And, in fact, more and more ISPs are just accepting and discarding
> emails to non-existent users because rejecting such email helps spammers
> (any non-rejected email must be a valid user).
That's totally retarded. When I don't get an error message in return,
the messag
Brian writes:
> The mail is accepted. What the recipient does with the mail after that
> is outside the scope of an RFC. There is no obligation on the recipient
> to inform the sender that he has ripped up the mail and junked it.
When the MTA delivers the mail it accepted correctly, then there i
Joey Hess wrote:
>-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to
>> do so, particularly when this concerns production servers.
>
>Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie)
>release of Debian. So you c
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On 14/10/2014 9:11 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 06:34:17 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> Although I'm up with patching, but I most definitely don't want any
>> system that I am responsible to maintain to have systemd installed, it
>> is
Joel Rees writes:
> If pid 1 gets stalled, lots of things all over the system get to wait
> for something important that can't happen until pid 1 gets un-stalled,
> and that's true even with quad core. It may not freeze every process,
> but it can cause dropped packets and such things. Potentially
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:37:17 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> The only way to fix that in systemd is for systemd to delegate the
> complicated stuff like managing dbus to child processes, so the
> processes that will occasionally stall won't impact the whole system
> as much.
>
> When/if that happens, w
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 08:02:28 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote:
> >
> >> This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make
> >> Systemd
> >> default in Jessie was done by the Techn
Joey Hess wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to
do so, particularly when this concerns production servers.
Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie)
release of Debian. So you can continue to boot yo
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 23:18:01 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 06:53:12, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> > That list is basically irrelevant, no traffic at all, virtually.
>
> That only happens because people insist on posting off-topic stuff to
> -user instead of -offtopic.
:s/o
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 18:30:41 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 06:34:17 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> >>On 14/10/2014 5:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>>Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >Again.. when di
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote:
>
>> This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make Systemd
>> default in Jessie was done by the Technical Committee, not by general vote,
>> so I guess it was decided that t
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to
> do so, particularly when this concerns production servers.
Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie)
release of Debian. So you can continue to boot your production se
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:14:29PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Dowland
>>> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>
I have a little Intel NUC running Debian Jessie whose purpose is to control a
multimedia show using DMX for lighting and BLueTooth A2DP for audio. It's a
wireless, headless box that sits in a corner and does its job. Well, it should
be. The problem is the BlueTooth audio is far from automatic
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote:
> This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make Systemd
> default in Jessie was done by the Technical Committee, not by general vote,
> so I guess it was decided that the whole discussion about Systemd is a bug
> because
Brian wrote:
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 06:34:17 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
On 14/10/2014 5:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
Debian (and Linux in genera
David L. Craig wrote:
On 14Oct14:0837+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
On 14/10/2014 8:32 AM, John Hasler wrote:
Andrei POPESCU writes:
Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the
subscribers are actually participating in these discussion.
1% participation in any discussion
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:40:38AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Vocal minority, looking after the interests of many more whom will be
yet to learn of the facts at some stage.
Don't confuse facts and opinions. You seem to be labouring under the assumption
that your
On 14Oct14:0837+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 14/10/2014 8:32 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU writes:
> >> Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the
> >> subscribers are actually participating in these discussion.
> >
> > 1% participation in any discussion
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 06:34:17 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 14/10/2014 5:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>> Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
> >>> Debian (and Linux in ge
This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make Systemd
default in Jessie was done by the Technical Committee, not by general vote,
so I guess it was decided that the whole discussion about Systemd is a bug
because it was relegated to such. This is the mailing list used to disc
2014/10/14 4:35 "Jonathan Dowland" :
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:23:42PM -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > If that's true, why the avalanche of dissent now?
>
> I see a lot of posts, but hardly any posters, and not a great deal of
clarity
> or consistency about what the complaints are. I also see a
Sorry, John. I clicked "reply" instead of pressing "l".
On Monday 13 October 2014 22:32:15 John Hasler wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the
> > subscribers are actually participating in these discussion.
>
> 1% participation in any d
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:40:38AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Vocal minority, looking after the interests of many more whom will be
> yet to learn of the facts at some stage.
Don't confuse facts and opinions. You seem to be labouring under the assumption
that your opinions are "right" an
Hi Erwan,
Firstly I've changed the subject for this thread because the original was not
terribly descriptive.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:57:00AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:40:44PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > And how to do this is a big problem. There are many ma
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On 14/10/2014 8:19 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> In my opinion this is the very definition of "vocal minority".
Vocal minority, looking after the interests of many more whom will be
yet to learn of the facts at some stage. but otherwise have no
re
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On 14/10/2014 8:32 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>> Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the
>> subscribers are actually participating in these discussion.
>
> 1% participation in any discussion on a list su
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the
> subscribers are actually participating in these discussion.
1% participation in any discussion on a list such as this would be very
large. Passing a GR to take Debian closed-source and relicense
everything
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On Monday 13 October 2014 20:59:04 Bret Busby wrote:
> If I use the backports thing, to go to a newer kernel, would that be
> compatible with the Debian 7 system as it stands, or, would I end up
> with a hybrid (mixture of stable and testing) system?
Yes, it would be compatible. I have done this
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 08:00:46, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> Clearly though, when so many people have strong views against a
> decision that they think is wrong, such as something significant as
> systemd well we've just got to deal with it too;
According to https://lists.debian.org/stats/ there
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On 14/10/2014 7:18 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 06:53:12, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>
>> That list is basically irrelevant, no traffic at all, virtually.
>>
>
> That only happens because people insist on posting off-topic stuff
> t
Andrew McGlashan wrote:
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On 14/10/2014 4:24 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case, SmartOS is
looking bett
* On 2014 13 Oct 14:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 03:01:00PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:02:16 -0400
> > Carl Fink wrote:
> >
> > > Slackware springs to mind.
> >
> > Before this, I would have said that slackware sucks. From what I
> > understand, t
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 03:59:04, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Apart from the politics of the free vs proprietary software, what do
> you know of any differences (as in advantages/disadvantages, if any)
> between the two driver types?
In my experience nouveau is slower (the primary reason I keep going back
Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:29 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a
similar conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case,
SmartOS is looking better and better).
Oh shit.
If I we
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 06:53:12, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> That list is basically irrelevant, no traffic at all, virtually.
That only happens because people insist on posting off-topic stuff to
-user instead of -offtopic.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Offtopic
I'm a desktop user too. I've tried FunToo and Void. Void came very close to
working for me, but there were a few things that it just couldn't do--at least
not easily enough for me--that I need to do my job. I'd love to try PC-BSD,
but there's no support for my WiFi card. I'll probably give O
On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>> On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
>>> conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case, SmartOS is
>>> looking better and better).
>>>
>> Oh shit.
>>
>>
>
> Wou
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 14:20:16 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> >On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
> >>conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case, SmartOS is
> >>looking better and better).
> >>
>
On 14/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:19:51, Bret Busby wrote:
>>
>> This is the first attemt to send that file as an attachment.
> ...
>> [35.167] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 rev 6, Mem @
>> 0xd300/4194304, 0xc000/268435456, I/O @ 0x5000/64
>> [
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On 14/10/2014 6:53 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 06:21:24, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>
>> A default desktop install of Jessie will bring in Gnome and as a
>> result will also bring in systemd
>
> Small correction here, just to make i
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 06:21:24, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> A default desktop install of Jessie will bring in Gnome and as a result
> will also bring in systemd
Small correction here, just to make it 100% clear:
A default install of Jessie will bring in systemd, period.
(with or without desktop
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On 14/10/2014 5:49 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> If I were going to give up free software and go proprietary, I'd go
> Mac. Unfortunately, at this point I'm actually considering Mac as my
> final backstop.
Last I checked, Mac hadn't patch Shellshock prope
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On 14/10/2014 6:43 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 19:45:03, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the
>> SysV-replacement that should not be named. Most, if not all of
>> the arguments for, as w
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 14:56:38, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>
> At first quick glance over, didn't find "advocacy" per se (by name),
> but did see a possibility in debian-publicity:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/
Please don't, that list is for publicity of Debian (writing the Debian
new
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 19:45:03, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
> should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as
> against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than stringent technichnical
> nature. As suc
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:10:50PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> And they still have their servers misconfigured?
As I said, that's how it was when I last worked in the team
which ran the mail gateways. I dion't care to check what the
situation is now. I don't accept your characterisation that
the
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 03:01:00PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:02:16 -0400
> Carl Fink wrote:
>
> > Slackware springs to mind.
>
> Before this, I would have said that slackware sucks. From what I
> understand, they're proud that their package manager doesn't support
> depen
On Mon, 10/13/14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Subject: who is looking for a new distro as a result of systemd
(particularly server-side users)
To: "debian-user"
Date: Monday, October 13, 2014, 11:45 AM
Folks,
[cut]
I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
concl
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:23:42PM -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> If that's true, why the avalanche of dissent now?
I see a lot of posts, but hardly any posters, and not a great deal of clarity
or consistency about what the complaints are. I also see a lot of FUD, both
about systemd and what Debian
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On 14/10/2014 5:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
>>> Debian (and Linux in general) has been most use
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On 14/10/2014 5:47 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>> Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
>> Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the server
>> env
Le 13/10/2014 21:21, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:16:25, Erwan David wrote:
>> That's a server, and the daemons & mount must survive logout.
>
> Your ~/.profile could contain commands like
>
> sudo service my-daemon start
>
> (used 'service' on purpose, since it will wo
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 03:42:26PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:59:24AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Which does kind of lead back to the question of what's the point of
> > a social contract that says users and their needs are the priority.
>
> The point is that
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 10:42:59, Darac Marjal wrote:
>
> You shouldn't normally need that. Most PCs these days implement ACPI,
It's not a PC (but he didn't mention it in this post).
> > ps. I did not subscribe to the list. Please CC me.
But he won't see your message anyway :p
Kind regards,
Andrei
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:16:25, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> That's a server, and the daemons & mount must survive logout.
Your ~/.profile could contain commands like
sudo service my-daemon start
(used 'service' on purpose, since it will work with both sysv-rc and
systemd)
How about that
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On 14/10/2014 5:29 AM, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> Sysvinit-core was introduced in jessie and systemd-sysv conflicts with
> sysvinit-core. Systemd-sysv is also available in wheezy, but there are
> 24486 reports from the popcon version 1.61 (testing/unsta
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:02:16 -0400
Carl Fink wrote:
> Slackware springs to mind.
Before this, I would have said that slackware sucks. From what I
understand, they're proud that their package manager doesn't support
dependencies. Sy wht?
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.tr
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:47:39 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> > Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For
> > years, Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the
> > server environment. Breaking server dep
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:19:51, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> This is the first attemt to send that file as an attachment.
...
> [35.167] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 rev 6, Mem @
> 0xd300/4194304, 0xc000/268435456, I/O @ 0x5000/64
> [35.167] (--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:0fe4:1025:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:29 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> > I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a
> > similar conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case,
> > SmartOS is looking better and better).
> >
>
> Oh shit.
If I
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:13:23 +0200
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> As [1] shows the majority of Jessie users have migrated to systemd,
> probably as an effect of GNOME starting to depend on it (around May
> 2014) and the new init package (around June 2014).
Everyone: Please, please, PLEASE read the pr
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:45:03 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the
> SysV-replacement that should not be named. Most, if not all of the
> arguments for, as well as against seem to be of a philosophical,
> rather than stringent technichnical natur
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 10:36:17, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> And, as a couple of folks have now pointed out, a lot of developers did not
> know about the initial vote proposal.
1 (one) is not "a lot".
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the server
environment. Breaking server deployments, at the expense of the desktop
seems like ba
On 10/13/14, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
> should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as
> against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than stringent technichnical
> nature. As such, they are pr
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
> Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the server
> environment. Breaking server deployments, at the expense of the desktop
> seems like bad policy.
Do
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:21:45 +0200
Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > Those who are most impacted are sys admins of servers, and upstream
> > developers
>
> I’m both, and I joined Debian to try to make an impact…
>
> > - the two communities most impacted,
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:33:02 +0200
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet
> to be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be
> in the middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists
> where it belonged. The pe
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