Re: Switching to git

2011-03-18 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
the only kind of cons I see in switching to GIT. > >>lost the comfort of manipulate/move/... all the source package with a >>simple "commit/mv/checkout/...". > > mr was already brought to the attention I think providing some script using mr for those who

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-10 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/06/2011 10:13 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 01:56:59AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:33:45PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> Let me turn that around: why would you *not* want to use a Python based >>> dVCS? >>> >> Because the language of

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-10 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/07/2011 11:19 AM, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Being a maintainer of Python packages often means you know Python > which enables you to make mercurial work the way want: write a plugin, > write a script that looks for information in the repo, etc. > > from mercurial import hg, ui > repo = hg

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-09 Thread Toni Mueller
Ok, flogging the dead horse once more: On Wed, 09.03.2011 at 11:11:35 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 09, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > >in my experience, in contrast to bzr (but that was 1-2 years ago, since > >then those projects switched to GIT), it was also "robustness"

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 09, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >Because none is as advanced as git is. >> Are there specific git features that you think the team would want to use, >> that are missing from the other dvcs? > >may be "familiarity"? Okay, but th

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-09 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >Because none is as advanced as git is. > Are there specific git features that you think the team would want to use, > that are missing from the other dvcs? may be "familiarity"? in my experience, in contrast to bzr (but that was 1-2 years ago, since th

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 07, 2011, at 08:18 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >On 03/06/2011 07:33 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> >>> Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then >>> preferible to git except being Python-based? If so, I think it's a >>> qui

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-07 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Steve, On Sun, 06.03.2011 at 14:18:40 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > AIUI Scott is talking here about the ease of transitioning an svn user to > bzr because of the similarity of the command model, not about using either > git or bzr to access the current svn repo. I was talking about the rob

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-07 Thread Nicolas Chauvat
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 05:30:15PM -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > Wouldn't managing python packages with mercurial make sense? > > it would as much as with any other DVCS, such as GIT. I am yet to hear > any objective advantage for using Python-based DVCS because they are > written in Pytho

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-07 Thread Didier Raboud
lt to do global changes to the "global" repository. > > There is currently a discussion in debian-devel about how to switch from > SVN to git and they seem to use "mr". For what is worth, I am in favor of switching to git, as I am already using git-svn locally, with r

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 06/03/2011 23:30, Yaroslav Halchenko a écrit : > On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >> Mercurial works well with multiple repositories (subrepo extension) > ah thanks -- at times I need to look at HG repos, and I could not figure > out how to get multiple 'remotes' I don’t think git re

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/06/2011 12:12 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Hi! > > There was some discussions about switching from SVN to git. I don't > remember everything but a major blocker was that it is not possible to > checkout a subtree with git and managing a lot of git repositories will > make it difficult

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/06/2011 07:33 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >> Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then >> preferible to git except being Python-based? If so, I think it's a >> quite weak reason. > > Let me turn that around: why would yo

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Monday 07,March,2011 10:22 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >> I think it's a waste of space to keep the >> tarballs separate from the tree. > > which you will do anyways at least for a moment (noone escaped > from the fact of needing .orig.tar.gz yet), but might not be needed for > the long run.

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
> I think it's a waste of space to keep the > tarballs separate from the tree. which you will do anyways at least for a moment (noone escaped from the fact of needing .orig.tar.gz yet), but might not be needed for the long run. So, if you carry about 100s of packages at once, carrying complete d

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Thank you Barry, yes -- I see the use-case/purpose for such a feature now, just hadn't chance to use it myself. But I would not consider it as an argument for bad practices in GIT ecosystems -- different projects, communities, contribution gateways -- different rules. Great to see GIT providing

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Monday 07,March,2011 10:13 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > ah -- I never tried to dive that deep as in committing git merges back > into SVN. Whenever I am interacting with SVN I am trying to be gentle > with the repository -- just linear changes ;) My point was that I was using the merge-with

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
ah -- I never tried to dive that deep as in committing git merges back into SVN. Whenever I am interacting with SVN I am trying to be gentle with the repository -- just linear changes ;) On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > >> stuff there because the git-buildpackage merge-with-upstream w

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 06, 2011, at 08:55 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote: >I used to choose tools based on the language they are implemented in, I >justified it with the old "it needs to be in a language I know/like in >case I need to modify it or fix bugs in it" excuse. Since then I learned >my lesson and, unless I'm s

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 07, 2011, at 08:28 AM, Robert Collins wrote: >For clarity, the thing I'm referring to is the ability to commit >directly to a stacked branch - which I think is equivalent to the >partial limitation you're referencing. I've just checked in #bzr, and >that is in 2.3.0, which has been out for

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:53 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > >On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> > git diff ... | patch; git commit -m 'Merged blah bleh into blue' >> hint: git merge --squash > >ah, evil evil evil git developers for allowing such a thing! I never >used it ;-) I've heard

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 07, 2011, at 01:56 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:33:45PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Let me turn that around: why would you *not* want to use a Python based dVCS? >> >Because the language of a tool shouldn't usually matter at all? Unless of course you want to

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Monday 07,March,2011 07:59 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> stuff there because the git-buildpackage merge-with-upstream workflow doesn't >> work very well with git-svn. > > any specific concerns? works for me ok with cython Merging history gets

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > stuff there because the git-buildpackage merge-with-upstream workflow doesn't > work very well with git-svn. any specific concerns? works for me ok with cython -- =--= Keep in touch

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Monday 07,March,2011 06:44 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [...] > (it's not that anyone else will do the work anyway - few tried to > convince us to switch to $VCS and I didn't hear from them after asking > to start preparing it) If we switch to git, I'd volunteer to help out with the transitions

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > git diff ... | patch; git commit -m 'Merged blah bleh into blue' > hint: git merge --squash ah, evil evil evil git developers for allowing such a thing! I never used it ;-) > Sandro: so... what do WE choose? :-) > mr + git-buildpackage + overlay?

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
moreover, while talking about tags, in GIT some symbols we use for debian versioning (e.g. ~ and :) are not allowed in tags, so they get replaced (with '%' and '.' for above with git-buildpackage). That is the only kind of cons I see in switching to GIT. >lost the com

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Yaroslav Halchenko, 2011-03-06] > git diff ... | patch; git commit -m 'Merged blah bleh into blue' hint: git merge --squash PS `svn log | egrep "^r[0-9]+ " | cut -f2 -d'|' | sed 's/pox-guest/piotr/;s/kitterma-guest/kitterman/;s/-guest//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r` results are here: http://

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Pablo Saavedra
Hi @All, please accept one consideration, I've observed that you are using SVN repositories on multi-project way. In this case, if you'd want migrate to Git or BZR (I'll use the last one as inline examples), you must consider the different behavior of the source tag managing. #. In SVN, tags are

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Steve Langasek wrote: > frankly. Perhaps you're comparing bzr merging with the seemingly common git > practice of discarding revision history as a substitute for doing an actual > DVCS merge? could you enlighten me how GIT merges manage to discard revision history? that is s

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 11:15:39PM +0100, Jan Dittberner wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:33:45PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > >Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then > > >preferible to git except being Python-based

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > There  was some discussions  about switching  from SVN  to git. > CPython just switched to mercurial. And Cython just switched from mercurial to GIT, having previousely switched got HG from SVN IIRC... may be that is a logical generic roadwork? ;)

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 10:55:31PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: > On Sun, 06.03.2011 at 16:01:04 -0500, Scott Kitterman > wrote: > > With bzr the transition from svn is a little easier than that. Almost any > > svn > > command you would use, the same command works with bzr, e.g. svn co and bzr

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Steve Langasek wrote: > please *do* use the pristine-tar options. just 0.1cents to complement: although I like pristine-tar in general, if in transition decision would be to adopt svn-buildpackage mergeWithUpstream ('overlay' in git-buildpackage) to lightweight the repositor

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Jan Dittberner
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:33:45PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > >Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then > >preferible to git except being Python-based? If so, I think it's a > >quite weak reason. > > Let me turn that ar

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sun, 06.03.2011 at 13:33:45 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then > >preferible to git except being Python-based? If so, I think it's a > >quite weak reason. > > Let me turn that ar

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sun, 06.03.2011 at 16:01:04 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > With bzr the transition from svn is a little easier than that. Almost any > svn > command you would use, the same command works with bzr, e.g. svn co and bzr > co. I can confirm that bzr-svn works much more smoothly than gi

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 01:56:59AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:33:45PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > Let me turn that around: why would you *not* want to use a Python based > > dVCS? > > > Because the language of a tool shouldn't usually matter at all? > Because

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, March 06, 2011 03:02:25 pm Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > One thing that is a clear advantage for bzr is that it supports both a > > traditional centralized workflow and modern DVCS workflow so that not > > everyone needs to switch to a foreig

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:33:45PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Let me turn that around: why would you *not* want to use a Python based dVCS? > Because the language of a tool shouldn't usually matter at all? Because git-buildpackage is widely used while mercurial-buildpackage is not? -- WBR, wRA

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Nicolas Chauvat
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:48:32PM +, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:12, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > There  was some discussions  about switching  from SVN  to git. CPython just switched to mercurial. Mercurial works well with multiple repositories (subrepo extension) and handl

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Scott Kitterman wrote: > One thing that is a clear advantage for bzr is that it supports both a > traditional centralized workflow and modern DVCS workflow so that not > everyone > needs to switch to a foreign method of work immediately after the transition. > AFAIK any

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Robert Collins wrote: > >>On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Scott Kitterman >>wrote: >>... >>> reasonably comfortable for both.  It's not as fast a git and it >>suffers from >>> not being able to do partial checkouts (like git), so it's very

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
Robert Collins wrote: >On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Scott Kitterman >wrote: >... >> reasonably comfortable for both.  It's not as fast a git and it >suffers from >> not being able to do partial checkouts (like git), so it's very much >a middle >> ground in both advanatages and disadvantages b

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: ... > reasonably comfortable for both.  It's not as fast a git and it suffers from > not being able to do partial checkouts (like git), so it's very much a middle > ground in both advanatages and disadvantages between svn and git. I believe t

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Arto Jantunen
Barry Warsaw writes: > On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >>Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then >>preferible to git except being Python-based? If so, I think it's a >>quite weak reason. > > Let me turn that around: why would you *not* want to use a Pyth

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, March 06, 2011 12:43:23 pm Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 17:33, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > Is this a Debian-wide decision, or can each subteam go its own way? > > each team can decide on its own, but git is very wide accepted within > Debian, which is to be considered when c

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 06, 2011, at 05:43 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >Do the 2 VCDs you mentioned have clear advantage that make then >preferible to git except being Python-based? If so, I think it's a >quite weak reason. Let me turn that around: why would you *not* want to use a Python based dVCS? One reason coul

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 17:33, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Is this a Debian-wide decision, or can each subteam go its own way? each team can decide on its own, but git is very wide accepted within Debian, which is to be considered when choosing a new VCS to use (because it presents a lower barrier to at

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011, Barry Warsaw wrote: > if the latter, then I would much prefer to see debian-python choose a > Python-based dVCS. because ... ^^^ -- please replace with advantages of having dVCS match underlying language of the packaged work -- =-

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 06, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: >There was some discussions about switching from SVN to git. I don't >remember everything but a major blocker was that it is not possible to >checkout a subtree with git and managing a lot of git repositories will >make it difficult to do

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 14:07, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Do  you think  this is  an acceptable  solution? Commit  can be  done on > several  repositories with  one command.  This  is not  really a  single > commit, but maybe close enough. Maybe this was already discussed. I don't know. -- Sandro T

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du dimanche 06 mars 2011, vers 14:48, Sandro Tosi disait : >> There  was some discussions  about switching  from SVN  to git.  I don't >> remember everything but  a major blocker was that it  is not possible to >> checkout a subtree with git and  managing

Re: Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:12, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Hi! > > There  was some discussions  about switching  from SVN  to git.  I don't > remember everything but  a major blocker was that it  is not possible to > checkout a subtree with git and  managing a lot of git repositories will > make it dif

Switching to git

2011-03-06 Thread Vincent Bernat
Hi! There was some discussions about switching from SVN to git. I don't remember everything but a major blocker was that it is not possible to checkout a subtree with git and managing a lot of git repositories will make it difficult to do global changes to the "global" repository. There i

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2009-01-01 Thread Tristan Seligmann
* Ondrej Certik [2008-12-21 00:08:18 +0100]: > As to mercurial Tristan, I don't know if you actually ever used > hg-buildpackage, but it is written in Haskell (!) and see my blog post > here: I've used it; being written in Haskell isn't something I consider a problem. It works just fine for

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-26 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Ondrej Certik wrote: > Agree. We talked with Sandro on IRC, the problem is in a bad internet > connection --- it takes ~40min to download 10MB -- then of course > every MB matters. For me it takes just couple seconds, so it doesn't > really matter if I am downloading tarball+debian dir separately,

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-26 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 15:54, Ondrej Certik wrote: ... Last reply on this thread, just to recap what Ondrej and me discussed on irc this evening. I didn't realize I ain't made clear what's my network situation: I'm still at 56k, so many of the think you broadband users consider normal, trivial,

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-26 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Piotr Ożarowski, 2008-12-23 13:37] >> unfortunately I use Git only outside Debian, so I don't know about >> issues git-buildpackage might have. I know it doesn't have >> mergeWithUpstream but it's written in Python, so we can implement th

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-26 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Piotr Ożarowski, 2008-12-23 13:37] > unfortunately I use Git only outside Debian, so I don't know about > issues git-buildpackage might have. I know it doesn't have > mergeWithUpstream but it's written in Python, so we can implement this. > The problem is (FWIK) that it's better to use Git with up

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-25 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 00:48, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> thanks for the points, I reacted to some. > > so please accept my reply :) Absolutely. :) > have you ever tried git-svn to work over your packages actually in the team? Yes, git-svn ro

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:26:29PM +0100, Carlos wrote: > Well, maybe we should distinguish between newcomers to the team and > newcomers to VCS. A newcomer to the team could master one VCS, two or > none of them, so it's impossible to know his (or her) preferences in > advance. For a newcomer to

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-24 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 00:48, Ondrej Certik wrote: > thanks for the points, I reacted to some. so please accept my reply :) > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >>> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? >> >> I'm none of them, but I'll speak anyway :) Bux

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-24 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Precisely. TTBOMK no other VCS is as smooth to operate as subversion > *for Debian packages*. Only svn-buildpackage can handle correctly the > versioning of the debian/ directory alone. bzr bd works fine in this mode; did you try it out? -- Loïc M

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-24 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette writes: > TTBOMK no other VCS is as smooth to operate as subversion *for > Debian packages*. Only svn-buildpackage can handle correctly the > versioning of the debian/ directory alone. What mis-handlings of a separate ‘debian/’ directory do you know of in the other ‘$VCS-buildpa

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:48 +0100, Ondrej Certik a écrit : > Imho if we are going to only version the debian dir, then I also don't > see such a strong argument for git (or other distributed vcs). Since > it will still need to fiddle with upstream tarball and also with > debian/patches + q

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Sandro, thanks for the points, I reacted to some. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? > > I'm none of them, but I'll speak anyway :) Buxy almost did my point, > I'd like to express me a bit. > > To do a change into

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Tue, 2008-23-12 at 16:17 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Everyone on the team has a workflow for SVN. Not true for the others. > We have a working system and we ought not move off of it until we have > a approach that is easily accessible and well documented. Besides. Git will talk to a svn r

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Carlos
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Pietro Battiston wrote: > I frankly don't see how svn can maximize participation of newcomers. Svn > users are tipically long-time "versioners" who probably tried at least Well, maybe we should distinguish between newcomers to the team and newcomers to VCS. A new

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:01:06 +0100 Pietro Battiston wrote: >Il giorno mar, 23/12/2008 alle 11.41 -0500, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:03 +0100 Loïc Minier wrote: >> >On Mon, Dec 08, 2008, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> >> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Pietro Battiston
Il giorno mar, 23/12/2008 alle 11.41 -0500, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:03 +0100 Loïc Minier wrote: > >On Mon, Dec 08, 2008, Ondrej Certik wrote: > >> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? So that I > >> can just commit such patches in a branch and

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I'll argue we want something different. We want VCS that will > maximize participation. That means both keeping top contributors > happpy and keeping it accessible to newcomers. > > I don't think hg, bzr, or git obviously qualify as accesible. My >

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 02:14:25PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Matthias Klose wrote: > > I only trust my own comparsion without any date and version numbers. > > And honestly I don't care about a checkin of the usual 2-5 files > > taking half a second longer. What annoys me most with git is the

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:03 +0100 Loïc Minier wrote: >On Mon, Dec 08, 2008, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? So that I >> can just commit such patches in a branch and also so that we don't >> have to mess with the orig.tar.gz, svn-uscan and other

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Sandro Tosi
> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? I'm none of them, but I'll speak anyway :) Buxy almost did my point, I'd like to express me a bit. To do a change into something different we need a reason: what's the reason for moving from svn to git? is it because it's cool? (I hope

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Ondrej Certik wrote: > I am surprised I am actually the 6th most active. Pretty cool. :) I am surprised to still be in the top 10 (hertzog)… it means the team is not so active as one would expect. :-) Anyway, I'm fine with git as well but I'm not convinced it's that important

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread gothicx
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Cyril Brulebois wrote: Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): My personal preference ordering would probably be: hg, bzr, svn, git git, FD, * +1 :) http://whygitisbetterthanx.com I don't know git, but I want to learn about it.. so It can be a nice oportunity to do

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008, Loïc Minier wrote: > Executive suggestion: we wont be able to use the same VCS for all > packages; use whatever the top contributors prefer, not what all > contributors to all packages prefer. I thought this was clear from the above rationale, but the stats I attached ar

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008, Ondrej Certik wrote: > P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? So that I > can just commit such patches in a branch and also so that we don't > have to mess with the orig.tar.gz, svn-uscan and other things -- i.e. > everything will be in one git repo, so us

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Matthias Klose wrote: >> I only trust my own comparsion without any date and version numbers. >> And honestly I don't care about a checkin of the usual 2-5 files >> taking half a second longer. What annoys me most with git is the >> steep le

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Matthias Klose wrote: > I only trust my own comparsion without any date and version numbers. > And honestly I don't care about a checkin of the usual 2-5 files > taking half a second longer. What annoys me most with git is the > steep learning curve and the non-intuitive UI, therefore I do prefer

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Matthias Klose
Bernd Zeimetz writes: > Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): > >> My personal preference ordering would probably be: > >> > >> hg, bzr, svn, git > > > > git, FD, * > > +1 :) > > > http://whygitisbetterthanx.com I only trust my own comparsion without any date and vers

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Ondrej Certik, 2008-12-23 11:19] >> emi...@saturno:~/deb/python-modules$ svn log | egrep "^r[0-9]+ " | cut >> -f2 -d'|' | sed 's/-guest//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r >> 865 piotr >> 609 morph >> 598 kov >> 532 bzed >

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Eike Nicklas
I'd prefer: hg, git, bzr, svn, * but looks like the trend goes to git, which is a good option IMHO. Merry Christmas, Eike pgpHKNQOnhCVA.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Ondrej Certik, 2008-12-23 11:19] > emi...@saturno:~/deb/python-modules$ svn log | egrep "^r[0-9]+ " | cut > -f2 -d'|' | sed 's/-guest//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r > 865 piotr > 609 morph > 598 kov > 532 bzed > 388 pox 865+388=1253 looks like my vote is most meaningfu

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): >>> My personal preference ordering would probably be: >>> >>> hg, bzr, svn, git >> >> git, FD, * > > +1 :) +1 too. Btw, Emilio did a list of the most active DPMT users, here i

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Ondrej Certik
> Btw, Emilio did a list of the most active DPMT users, here it is. Some > people like pox and piotr are actually the same. And the same list for PAPT: emi...@saturno:~/deb/python-apps$ svn log | egrep "^r[0-9]+ " | cut -f2 -d'|' | sed 's/-guest//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -r 401 nijel

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-23 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): >> My personal preference ordering would probably be: >> >> hg, bzr, svn, git > > git, FD, * +1 :) http://whygitisbetterthanx.com -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprint: 06C8 C9A2

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:08:18AM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> as it is really ugly to use > > Ugly how? > Well, it's just slow once you get used to git and how fast it is, > it really sucks to wait for basic operations like "bz

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-21 Thread Jan Dittberner
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 09:04:33AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Cyril Brulebois writes: > > > Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): > > > My personal preference ordering would probably be: > > > > > > hg, bzr, svn, git git, bzr, svn I read some git stuff today and think it's superior to the other

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-21 Thread Ben Finney
Cyril Brulebois writes: > Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): > > My personal preference ordering would probably be: > > > > hg, bzr, svn, git > > git, FD, * bzr, git, hg, FD, svn -- \ “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his | `\ salary depends upon his not

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-21 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Tristan Seligmann (20/12/2008): > My personal preference ordering would probably be: > > hg, bzr, svn, git git, FD, * devotee to the rescue. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-20 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 06:43:19PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> Monty Taylor wrote: >>> /me whinges that switching to bzr for packaging in general would be a >>> much nicer thing overall, since then ubuntu downstream is pretty well >>> bzr... > >> unfortunatelt I don't kn

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 06:43:19PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> Monty Taylor wrote: >> > /me whinges that switching to bzr for packaging in general would be a >> > much nicer thing overall, since then ubuntu downstream is pretty well >> >

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-20 Thread Monty Taylor
Steve Langasek wrote: > >> (that's just my subjective opinion, please don't start a flame war now) > > It's a rather strongly worded opinion; if you want to avoid flame wars, you > might find it helpful to bring specific criticisms to the table instead of > just declaring a solution "ugly". :

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 06:43:19PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Monty Taylor wrote: > > /me whinges that switching to bzr for packaging in general would be a > > much nicer thing overall, since then ubuntu downstream is pretty well > > bzr... > unfortunatelt I don't know why they use bzr Because

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-20 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
inion, please don't start a flame war now) Switching to git would be a good thing, but only if most people of the team are ok with the switch. -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprint: 06C8 C9A2 EAAD E37E 5B2C BE93 067A AD04 C93B FF79 --

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-20 Thread Tristan Seligmann
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: > > /me whinges that switching to bzr for packaging in general would be a > > much nicer thing overall, since then ubuntu downstream is pretty well > > bzr... > > > > (note: I use bzr for all of my other projects, so I have a vested interest)

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-18 Thread Monty Taylor
Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: >> /me whinges that switching to bzr for packaging in general would be a >> much nicer thing overall, since then ubuntu downstream is pretty well >> bzr... >> >> (note: I use bzr for all of my other projects, so I have a

Re: numpy 1.2.1, switching to git?

2008-12-18 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Piotr! On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Ondrej Certik, 2008-12-08] >> P.S. bzed, POX, isn't it time to move our packaging to git? > > I was planing it for a long time, but never found time to actually do it. > > If you volunteer to do this, please send a message to PA

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