> can't talk to humans ...
>
> If we're lucky, Clive, this will be read by a programmer out there. Or,
> even better, by his girl-friend .. :)
Or maybe even a documentation weinie.
/me notes dpkg-reconfigure console-data for aclue
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> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 11:40:40PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
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> [ ... ]
>
> > > That's why I often say: Coders often are good coders
could you substitute a better one?
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r after
> capslock is pressed once. Until then, neither of the lights are on.
On my iMac, pushing the caps lock key doesn't set the led either way;
but I get a spewed console message: usbkbd.c: led urb status -32 received
It's really gotten to be annoying. Does anyone know how to turn it off?
My kernel is 2.4.20-powerpc from the debian archive.
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nstall MacOS on the small one, then boot the
Debian installer either from BootX or floppy.
quik will also work as a boot loader if you want a totally-free
machine. But you don't have video access to OpenFirmware, so it's a
bit of a hassle if it doesn't work the first time, to figure out what
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 02:35:01PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:06:21PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu,
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:43:44AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
[ OT stuff ]
Sorry, I didn't mean that to be a list reply #-/
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 08:45:57PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:10:13AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:18:31AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 09:12:04AM +0100, Joss Winn wrote:
> > > >
located.
> I have another mashine with cd-burner(linux). Is it possible to burn a
> boot rescue boot-medium onto a cdrom with that?
Maybe, but the OpenFirmware approach is easier.
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There is a script for altering the boot image:
http://cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/powerpc-specials/miBoot/patch-floppy.pl
Or you could use a binary editor like beav, or I could run the script for
you
and mail you the image as I did for Koos.
Are you using the 'fixed' quik for G3's?
- Origi
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To:
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:00 PM
Subject: Trying to start the installer on PowerBase 200.
> ***I'm not subscribed to this list yet, so please CC to me so I can stay
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> I have here a P
choose
regular old HFS, not 'Extended' which is hfsplus. There are some Linux
hfsplus utilities now, but not kernel support yet AFAIK.
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On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 08:38:29PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 05.55 schrieb Chris Tillman:
> >
> > Use mac-fdisk to create the partition(s), make it (them) type
> > Apple_HFS. Then boot back to OSX to format it; and be sure to choose
>
t;
> > pwd shows I'm on the
> > pci bus:
> > /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0
>
> and that's the full path... i don't get the issue
>
The significant change (error in ofpath output) is
s/ata-disk/disk/. So I think if you set boot-device to
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Settings after selecting it.
In my experience (read: on my Mac), when I switch to a 2.4 kernel, I
also have to select video=ofonly (I think that is the no video driver
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> And I used the yaboot from
> debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/new-powermac/yaboot
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>
> Leonidas
Thanks for puzzling with us ... through user input it can be made
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On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 01:25:00AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
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> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 04:28:49PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > my partition
F10, but i need diferent keys
You can see the keys defined in your current keymap with
lynx /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz(as root)
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tion, and not needed if you get rid of it. But they're small,
I wouldn't bother with them unless you just want to start clean.
> How do I initialise a new hard disk for these machines? Without Macos?
You can use mac-fdisk in the installer to initialize a new partition
map, with the i command. That will wipe everything out.
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n existing bootable MacOS CD,
IIRC. Legality is not my area.
> How do I tell whether a disk has firmware I should keep?
You wouldn't be erasing firmware, just the Apple disk driver partitions.
If you won't have MacOS, you won't need them at all.
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 07:52:01AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
> This is my last MacOS disk. It has no Linux on it. I suspect that if I
> run the Make Hard Disk Bootable menu item that will be the end of MacOS.
No, writing the boot block
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:08:17PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > > NetBSD is supposed to boot, but I have the CD and can't boot it. Neither
> > > does it appear to try to boot off the LAN when I hold done "n&qu
> Grzesiek Sedek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For one thing, a newer yaboot than what is in the distribution is required.
See www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Also check thelist archives, I believe
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ourse if I had a second LINUX partition, I could
> use your recommended commands from there, but still I haven't got the
> FireWire to work.
> So, is there a possibility to do it from MacOS X?
You can boot into single-user mode, I am sure. Just add 'single' to your
boot ar
tatus to 'install'. The only problem was then I still had to
download 1G of packages which in reality were already here.
Does anyone know of a better solution for lusers like me who make
this mistake?
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access to the mail server is currently down)
>
> Any help is appreciated,
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'c', but it
> doesn't work
Another key combination to try is Ctrl-Option-Shift-Delete to force
CD booting.
Beware, don't re-install base (see my other post).
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bc6/
> >
> > Is there a FTP there, or does the install CD has some http utility?
>
> No FTP, sorry. But doesn't the installer have wget?
yes, it does.
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uik after this step? Running quik places the
> > first.b code in the boot block. If you are in the installer, you
> > will need to use quik -r /target to do this.
Running quik in the chroot should have the same effect ...
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:13:46PM -0400, David M. Cooke wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 11:03:32AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> [...]
> > Since re-installing the base system overwrites the status file, my
> > machine had no idea what software had been installed. I wonder if
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here is
> no package for woody.
>
> So...should I just give up and not bother with this (or any 2.5/6 kernels)
> WRT
> woody?
The 2.4.21 benh kernel would be a much better bet. That's cutting
edge for powerpc.
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t: hd:6,/vmlinux initrd=cd:,/install/new-powermac/root.bin initrd-size=8192
I have no idea if using an OF path for initrd will actually work.
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:14:38PM -0400, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
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> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:08:23AM -0400, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Hmmm... You could burn a CD with your kernel substituted for the
>
5/6, it might be advisable to see where that
valuable stuff can go in ...
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few months ago:
APT::Cache-Limit 1000;
The information someone else posted about sources.list still
applies, of course.
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sk, but it may automatically
restart. Ctrl-Option-F2 to go to console 2 from the X console.
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appear to be an endangered
species. We need a plan for quiet, benign senility where some
architectures are concerned. This does not involve leaving them out in
the cold to die, just restricting them to given (working) versions
and letting the rest go on.
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t=/dev/hda3
> timeout=30
> install=/usr/lib/yaboot/yaboot
> magicboot=/usr/lib/yaboot/ofboot
>
> image=/vmlinux
> label=Linux
> read-only"
Did you replace yaboot with a newer version (>1.36, IIRC)? G4's
need the newer version. There is a link to the latest version
in the install manual.
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cess to,
or make an HFS partition you could put it on from within OS X.
Then, after getting yaboot 1.3.10 snuggled into place, run the Make
Hard Disk Bootable step again; that will copy the new version to the
bootstrap partition and you should be set.
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quot;no screens found" error.
You will also need to set the Bus ID. The friendliest way
to change the settings for drivers, mice, and BusID is
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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know what is the exact problem on this powerbook 12". I only know
> that
> this cd is bootable on others Mac (eMac, iMac, pmac, cube, ibook, powerbook
> 17...) but strangely not on this one.
I suspect your Powerbook 12" is OldWorld, NuBus, or even 68k. What is
the model number?
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 10:52:52PM +0200, fleny68 wrote:
> Le Mardi 29 Juillet 2003 16:57, Chris Tillman a écrit :
> > > I don't know what is the exact problem on this powerbook 12". I only know
> > > that this cd is bootable on others Mac (eMac, iMac, pmac, cube, ib
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On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:31:01PM +0200, Leandro Guimar?es Faria Corsetti
Dutra wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 16:14:08 -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 10:43:41PM +0200, Leandro Guimar?es Faria Corsetti
> > Dutra wrote:
> >>
> >>
to have analog audio hooked to
> the sound card, how do you guys deal with playing CDs?
Another posted mentioned the xmms solution, which I haven't gotten to
work on my machine (a bit older than yours). Good luck, and if you
don't hit the right combination, search the list for my cdda2wav hack.
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I do actually enjoy figuring
> things out.
That sounds like your default keymap was an ADB one, which the
new kernel can't use. See
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes/
to see if the shoe fits.
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s cool in
/target, right? You see vmlinux, boot, etc, bin, sbin?
The installer boots with the same kernel? That would seem
to rule out any module lack.
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s some setting in
> quik.conf I need to set to get it to see the graphic card, right? Can
As a first step, try adding video=ofonly as a boot argument,
or taking it out if you already have it in quik.conf.
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If you'd like to look at one (perhaps lame) approach,
see cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/powerpc-specials/mini-iso.sh
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Another option is to use Cmd-Opt-P-R during the start chime to reset
your PRAM to factory defaults; if you still have MacOS on the machine
it will then start that. If you don't, don't bother; you won't be
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nue to exist untouched).
The 2.2 kernel fits on a floppy, while the 2.4 does not. So fine, for
unstable, as long as it remains in stable -- for oldworld powerpc
boot-floppies users (whose CDs are not bootable and who must use
floppies or MacOS/BootX to boot the installer).
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2.4 kernels,
again it may be a quik limitation on image size, the limitation seems
to crop up around 2.3 MB. BootX will boot a 2.4 image on oldworlds.
Perhaps we could collaborate with benh to update quik? Or better, to
incorporate code in yaboot so it works on oldworlds?
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> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:36:18AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:05:21AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> > > On Aug 25 2003, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > Sarge will ship with d
k as described in
the manual, using the newer version. You will also need to be sure you
copy the new version into the freshly installed base system before
running the Make Bootable from Hard Disk item.
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to the manual section that you have
to retrieve ar from somewhere and install it if needed. Or perhaps
tar can fake the ar job using a quick shell script? Anyone?
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ut the typo line in /etc/devfs/conf.d/alsa
>
> Was /bin/ed really the best editor I had? I didn't see anything else.
heh. nano is much friendlier. But maybe not installed by default.
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d also be helpful to know what model machine this is,
like the output of cat /proc/pci and cat /proc/cpuinfo from
within an installer shell.
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irculate through the list
of images defined in the conf file.
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604e
> clock : 170MHz
> revision 2.2
> maschine: Power Macintosh
> motherboard: AAPL, MacRISC
> L2 cash: 512k unified
> memory: 208MB
> mac-generation: OldWorld
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Is there someone who uses a pulsar with linux?
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:16:43PM +0200, Joachim Franek wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 16. September 2003 15:22 schrieb Chris Tillman:
>
> > I have also had another machine (a 604;9500) boot without video
> > output, when trying to boot a 2.4 kernel, but have not heard of
> > a
ting however, I could have used nvsetenv
> much earlier to reset the output and input device.
We stayed away from nvsetenv because we couldn't attempt to cover all
the ways it could be used. But I agree, a mention would be useful; I
added one in CVS.
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The only other ones I can think to try is video=ofonly,
or no video= at all.
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ple here, but have not heard the results.
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y?
>
> (MacOS is known to do weird things to the aty PCI config at least. Maybe
> there's some other issues ...)
The Debian floppy is a simulated MacOS floppy which loads Linux
instead of MacOS. I'd bet PCI configs are not set up by the MacOS
simulation, but I'm not positive.
, yaboot, yaboot.conf, net-initrd.gz) on an hfs partition
and then pointing OpenFirmware to them directly:
boot hd:10,yaboot
Will the net-initrd.gz work in this case?
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-t proc proc /proc
ybin -v
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:36:45AM +1000, Michael Lake wrote:
> Chris Tillman wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:27:19PM +1000, Michael Lake wrote:
> >>ummm about reconfiguring yaboot?? How does one do that when you are in a
> >>shell from booting from an insta
manually booting directly
from the hard disk. If that works and direct booting still doesn't, at
least you have a way to get in to your system. Instead of booting the
root.bin ramdisk, you might be able change that yaboot.conf to boot
your kernel on hda11, or still boot the kernel from the hfs
tp://www.debian.org/devel/testing
If you see a must-have in unstable, install it using apt-get -t unstable,
and it will draw in only the dependencies it needs without making your
whole system 'unstable'.
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quik; but
the situation is explained in the install manual:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install
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ix-speak. :)
This is the hard way to go for your first installation. Do have a few
hundred meg available on an ide drive?
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7; down the cable a bit to make sure the pins are solidly
> connected; no good.
Weighting is probably not the way to go. But it's quite likely
there could be some oxidation on the 6500's connector pins. This
might be helped by simply plugging and unplugging the cable, say
100 times, to rub through the oxidation layer.
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lt;= =>Microsoft
I'm planning to set this up in a cron job, because otherwise my
mailbox fills up as you said. I also gave my ISP an earfull for
not affering any server side solutions.
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aving unconfigured
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> base-config
> libtextwrap1
> tasksel
> AmigaONE:~#
>
Sometimes you get these kind of errors if your disk is full.
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orld pmac,
using BootX. I needed to un-check the no-video-driver checkbox,
as I have noted before with other 2.4 kernels.
I will try booting it with quik, but I rather doubt it will
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and the uname of the kernel is also 2.4.22-powerpc, so they didn't
get loaded. In /boot, the file name is vmlinux-2.4.22-powerpc-pmac .
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a "Linux Kernel folder"?
When using BootX, the available kernels are stored in the
MacOS System Folder:Linux Kernels: folder.
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On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 07:01:58PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 09:10:59AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 01:31:55PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > Anyway, please test and give feedback, before i upload, so we can have
>
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 12:58:21PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 10:10:52AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 01:31:55PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyway, please test and give feedback, before i upload, so we can h
ng time. If we don't have any users out there, we can't support
it. I believe the prep build has been broken in boot-floppies for more
than a year, with no one stepping up to fix it.
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re is a link there to the mac-fdisk help file at penguinppc.org.
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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post on this list less than a week ago
(didn't you already search the archives?), the kernel "hasn't survived
contact witha G5 yet". Also, the powerpc kernel developer BenH hasn't
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d i havent yet
> found.
I don't think there are many gentoo users around here ... but
you might want to take the dive and just install debian, on which
gentoo is based.
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
After you get the installer booted, one of the first few steps is
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tion in the installer before you
can see what's on it. There are menus for mounting; or in the shell
use mount -t hfs.
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in /proc/cpu/device-tree
or some similar path to see what your video card path is, and try other
options.
I don't think you need to reformat; I have been able to install Linux
on an external SCSI disk with MacOS on the internal, so you ought to
be able to do vice versa.
> Any suggestions on which strategy to pick are welcome. (Or if you know
> another option, please let me know as well).
>
> Regards,
> Freek Dijkstra
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t in the right way, otherway I am sorry!)
What is the contents of your yaboot.conf? Do you also have the root.bin
next to yaboot and linux.bin on your disk?
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and use hformat to
put a file system on it, maybe MacOS will try to mount it and offer to
initialize it. Then you can just drag the System Folder over to install
MacOS 9.
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+++ tools/base-installer/debian/changelog 14 Oct 2003 14:24:54 -
@@ -7,6 +7,8 @@
* Alastair McKinstry
- Add versioned depends on libdebconfclient-dev, to get working debconf_
macros.
+ * Chris Tillman
+- change ppcdetect to archdetect and corresponding CASEs
rt, but I can floppy-test once it's done.
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call it with `quik` rather than `mkofboot`.
The scripts are still there in boot-floppies; the piece we haven't
mentioned is using ofpath to figure out how to set the nvram
parameters. What's there works for most people.
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loppies code is in
http://cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/bootconfig.c
(and a quik mention in partition_config.c also)
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&prom_stdout, sizeof(prom_stdout));
> getpromprop(prom_chosen, "stdin", &prom_stdin, sizeof(prom_stdin));
> +getpromprop(prom_chosen, "mmu", &prom_mmu, sizeof(prom_mmu));
> prom_options = call_prom("finddevice", 1, 1, "/options");
> }
>
> diff -urN quik-2.0e/second/prom.h quik-2.0e-hacked/second/prom.h
> --- quik-2.0e/second/prom.h 2000-03-10 21:59:28.0 +0100
> +++ quik-2.0e-hacked/second/prom.h2003-10-15 21:54:53.0 +0200
> @@ -22,6 +22,6 @@
> int nbgetchar(void);
> void prom_get_chosen(char *name, char *buf, int buflen);
> void prom_get_options(char *name, char *buf, int buflen);
> -void prom_map(unsigned char *addr, unsigned len);
> +int prom_map(unsigned int phys, unsigned int virt, unsigned int size);
> int get_ms(void);
> void prom_pause(void);
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:45:17PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:35:18PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:57, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > On Oct 14 2003, David Röhr wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to test the ne
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:40:13AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 10:32:35PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > I tested d-i using BootX.
>
> Cool. Tell me again though, there are some oldworld pmacs which can't do
> this and need miboot, right ?
>
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