Re: vanity packages (was: mentors.debian.net reloading)

On Sunday 28 October 2007 07:10:57 pm Paul Wise wrote: > On 10/29/07, The Fungi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would consider its popularity low (187 popcon installs with 46 > > votes). > > I consider such fringe packages to be the main benefit of using > Debian. That is; it is the diversity (or

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On 10/29/07, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It might be interesting to have an additional "seeking comments" tag. > Sometimes the package is not really ready for sponsorship, or the usual > sponsor is too busy right now, and all I really care is for comments on the > package rather tha

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It might be interesting to have an additional "seeking comments" tag. Sometimes the package is not really ready for sponsorship, or the usual sponsor is too busy right now, and all I really care is for comments on the package rather than an actual upload. This is useful when working with a package

Re: vanity packages (was: mentors.debian.net reloading)

On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 07:44:28AM +, Neil Williams wrote: [...] > I think you have misinterpreted my position. Sponsoring is an > introduction to NM and whether or not the maintainer is looking to join > NM has no effect on the quality of packages at the start of sponsoring. [...] > The "probl

Re: vanity packages (was: mentors.debian.net reloading)

Neil Williams wrote: > > I would consider its popularity low (187 popcon installs with 46 > > votes). > > It's not that low. It looks like quite a few people find it useful, so > that's good. Using absolute popcon numbers as indications of a package's popularity isn't the best idea anyway, since

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> Do you know about Django? I heard good things about it. Your thoughts? I remember http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2007/oct/26/security-fix/ ;) Otherwise I've heard only good things about it. -- Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSC

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 04:45:03PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > BTW, I just found: > http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog/posts/2007/07/python_debfile.html > There could be some interesting code to use. On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 08:33:00PM +0100, Christoph Haas wrote: > Cool, thanks for the link. It lo

Re: vanity packages (was: mentors.debian.net reloading)

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:47:42 + The Fungi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 09:19:12PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > [...] > > What kind of popcon score? i.e. does anyone else think it is a useful > > addition? > > I would consider its popularity low (187 popcon installs wit

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On 10/29/07, Thomas Goirand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ondrej Certik wrote: > >> Perhaps even for PPA-like services. > >> I'm thinking a similar way (using a Python web framework - although a > >> different one). > > > > Yeah, unforutunately there are several good python frameworks. But I > > don

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Ondrej Certik wrote: >> Perhaps even for PPA-like services. >> I'm thinking a similar way (using a Python web framework - although a >> different one). > > Yeah, unforutunately there are several good python frameworks. But I > don't mind any framework, as long as its going to work. Do you know ab

Re: vanity packages (was: mentors.debian.net reloading)

On 10/29/07, The Fungi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would consider its popularity low (187 popcon installs with 46 > votes). I consider such fringe packages to be the main benefit of using Debian. That is; it is the diversity (or universality) of Debian that is attractive and useful. -- bye,

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Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Is dtc considered an (almost) perfect (simple) package from your point > of view? No. It's far from perfect, and all but simple. And also, I consider it VERY outdated in the archive, I wish my corrections were uploaded. Anyway, why are you talking about it? It's completely

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On 10/26/07, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have been running mentors.debian.net for years already Some thoughts: Aside from the metrics idea I put on the wiki page, I think it is fairly important to merge REVU, mentors.d.o and sponsors.d.o into one site. The metrics idea would

vanity packages (was: mentors.debian.net reloading)

On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 09:19:12PM +, Neil Williams wrote: [...] > What kind of popcon score? i.e. does anyone else think it is a useful > addition? I would consider its popularity low (187 popcon installs with 46 votes). Admittedly, Russ sponsored it because he said thought he was likely to f

Re: mentors.debian.net reloading

On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 05:19:38PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 04:51:01PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 26/10/07 at 16:06 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: (...) > > What Ondrej proposes is to turn mentors into a package archive, where > > packages would be built automat

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:26:01 + Jeremy Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:04:36PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > [...] > > I certainly think that sponsoring is a step towards joining Debian. > [...] > > Perhaps not entirely true It is true for those maintainers tha

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:04:36PM +, Neil Williams wrote: [...] > I certainly think that sponsoring is a step towards joining Debian. [...] Perhaps not entirely true, though I will accept that I may not be a typical non-DD maintainer. I have one (very simple) app sponsored into main for which

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Raphael, thanks for your thoughts. On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 01:33:20PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: > In my very personal opinion I think m.d.n is fine as it is now. It itches in my fingers to add a few fancy features. :) And I've seen what Python web frameworks can do so I'd be willing to do m

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Hi all, In my very personal opinion I think m.d.n is fine as it is now. About more (building, piuparts, linda/lintian on binaries, etc) QA checks: I think the maintainer should make all of these checks before even uploading the package to m.d.n "but it is complicated to setup foo/bar/etc": if som

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 04:45:03PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > BTW, I just found: > > http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog/posts/2007/07/python_debfile.html > > There could be some interesting code to use. Cool, thanks for the link. It looks very powerful and hardly documented. I love text adventu

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:54:20 -0400 Jim Sansing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a longtime software developer (but fairly recent Debian user), my > experience that is when it works for me, that is just the first step on > a long > road. So I am sure that the job of mentors is much more complicated

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>> times, but when I found some of the people here so nice and helpful, I >> could learn so much. The learning curve is quite long, and I still have >> so many things to learn. >> >> That vote system goes totally on the opposite direction, and >> blacklisting or discouraging people that are trying

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> > So at least I expect to come up with a Python module > > that helps dealing with Debian source packages and repositories. I hoped > > that python-apt would help but last time I looked it was only there to > > deal with the APT cache. I spent a lot of time parsing control files > > correctly and

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> > > I'm scared by the thought that there will be a dozen PPAs that end-users > > > will use to get their software from third-party sources. IMHO good > > > packages should go officially into Debian. And bad packages should go to > > > hell. Sponsorship might be a problem sometimes which may be so

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 11:19:14AM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > times, but when I found some of the people here so nice and helpful, I > > could learn so much. The learning curve is quite long, and I still have > > so many things to learn. > > > > That vote system goes totally on the opposite di

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Thomas Goirand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (28/10/2007): > This list is GREAT because people are giving advice even for the most > stupid questions. I think that everybody has the rights to learn, I > really hate that kind of behaviour I could see with some on IRC putting > disgrace on learners (maybe just

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> times, but when I found some of the people here so nice and helpful, I > could learn so much. The learning curve is quite long, and I still have > so many things to learn. > > That vote system goes totally on the opposite direction, and > blacklisting or discouraging people that are trying to lea

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Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Thomas Goirand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (28/10/2007): >> With that, what you will see is that maintainers that have lots of >> friends, or that are maintaining famous packages, will get a high >> score. > > The opposite is true too. Infamous wannabe-maintainers could get > blac

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Thomas Goirand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (28/10/2007): > With that, what you will see is that maintainers that have lots of > friends, or that are maintaining famous packages, will get a high > score. The opposite is true too. Infamous wannabe-maintainers could get blacklisted or so. Unsure how bad that

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Henrik Andreasson wrote: > And a possibillity to "vote" for the package maybe, then a sponsor can > use that information if the want in the decission what packages to sponsor? I don't like this idea at all. With that, what you will see is that maintainers that have lots of friends, or that are ma

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Christoph Haas wrote: > That would mean getting the package in Debian (with the dependencies), > installing it, testing upgrading to the new deb etc., right? I just > worry what happens if I try that with a package that pulls in 1 GB of > dependencies. How would that work? (Disclaimer: I have just

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 10:34:03PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: [...] > I'd better see the possibility of getting an access to the offending > archs to try and figure out what the problems are and to fix them. > Depending on the archs, it can be easy to get an account (hppa is a very > good exampl

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Asheesh Laroia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (26/10/2007): >> Everybody suddenly seems to think that yet another buildd is a great >> idea. Why is it? > > Every once in a while, people post to debian-mentors about their > package failing to build on the buildd for some architecture they > don't have access t

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26-10-2007 11:26, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I'm more interested in piuparts tests than in builds, actually. The > point is that most DDs don't use piuparts because there's not many > benefits in spending time setting it up. Having a piuparts installat

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Christoph Haas wrote: One idea I have (but is not sure it should go into mentors though) is to try to add a "use-report" to build-report, anybody could download and try to build and accually use the package, then submit a report that the program accually works and does wha

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> Google has much better interface and I can create wiki pages with > documentation in there. But alioth is powered by gforge, right? You can just use your favorite wiki software on alioth. -- Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Christoph Haas wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:47:09PM +0200, Ondrej Certik wrote: The sources: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/svnbuildstat/?rev=0&sc=0 The wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/svnbuildstat I believe Debian needs the same as Ubuntu has: Personal Packa

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 07:55:09PM +0200, Ondrej Certik wrote: > PPA is a means how to get the packages to Debian and to ease the > process of it, for everyone. What do you mean by "get the package to Debian"? Sponsorship? Or creating a competing repository for end-users? > Besides those you also

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:47:09PM +0200, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > The sources: > > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/svnbuildstat/?rev=0&sc=0 > > The wiki page: > > http://wiki.debian.org/svnbuildstat > > I believe Debian needs the same as Ubuntu has: Personal Package > Archives, where new mai

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> Did Ondrej say that we need a public buildd? Actually that is something > I would ratner not do because I have certain (very bad) experience with > it. When we kept the uploaded binary (.deb) packages our support mailbox > was literally flooded with end-users (!) complaints that the packages > we

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On Friday 26 October 2007 15:26, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I'm more interested in piuparts tests than in builds, actually. The > point is that most DDs don't use piuparts because there's not many > benefits in spending time setting it up. Having a piuparts installation > working on mentors.d.n would

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 04:51:01PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 26/10/07 at 16:06 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:57PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > On 26/10/07 at 14:18 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > > > > > I'm more interested in piuparts tests than in

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Christoph Haas wrote: Regarding CPU-intensive QA tests (builds and piuparts runs): I think that it's very important to do them on mentors. Might be helping the sponsor to determine if the package builds. But I'm not sure if it's worth it. Just my personal opinion. I don'

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Hi, > There is of course a question who will provide the resources for > DebPPA. You could at least ping the experimental/backports/volatile people. > > I started: > > http://code.google.com/p/debppa/ Why on code.google.com? Is Alioth not good enough? Cheers, Bernd -- Bernd Zeimetz <[EM

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On 26/10/07 at 16:06 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:57PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 26/10/07 at 14:18 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > > > I'm more interested in piuparts tests than in builds, actually. The > > point is that most DDs don't use piuparts becaus

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Hello, On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Christoph Haas wrote: > That would mean getting the package in Debian (with the dependencies), > installing it, testing upgrading to the new deb etc., right? I just > worry what happens if I try that with a package that pulls in 1 GB of > dependencies. How would that wo

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> It could be better. I just doubt that the "private" issue is the > problem. Everybody who likes to get involved could always join the team. > We are open. So it's really no giant master plan that the sources > weren't made public yet. Perhaps with the relaunch we can start to make I think it is

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:57PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 26/10/07 at 14:18 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > I'm more interested in piuparts tests than in builds, actually. The > point is that most DDs don't use piuparts because there's not many > benefits in spending time setting it up

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Hi, > The sources: > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/svnbuildstat/?rev=0&sc=0 > The wiki page: > http://wiki.debian.org/svnbuildstat I believe Debian needs the same as Ubuntu has: Personal Package Archives, where new maintainers could upload their source packages and the service will automat

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On 26/10/07 at 14:18 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > Please seperate features list and implementation details: if you want > > other people to contribute, you might have to be flexible with things > > such as which framework/language you choose. > > Regarding frameworks: since I'm pretty active i

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 12:11:06PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 26/10/07 at 11:42 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: It's time for me to introduct svnbuildstat.d.n :). I began to work on svnbuildstat 1,5 year ago. We, the Debian Games Team, saw the number of packages in our repository constently gro

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 12:11:06PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 26/10/07 at 11:42 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > It does a lot of QA checks etc. > > Could you please describe what's currently being done wrt QA checks? Done. See Uploading/Importer on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsNet

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On 26/10/07 at 11:42 +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > It does a lot of QA checks etc. Could you please describe what's currently being done wrt QA checks? > I have summarized a current list of ideas on my wiki [4]. Any reason why wiki.d.o is not used for this? It would make it much easier for peop

mentors.debian.net reloading

Valued community... We have been running mentors.debian.net for years already and I really enjoy seeing how many people are using it. It was a lot of effort writing all the scripts and magic that makes the service useful although a lot may be hidden in the background. It is watching debian-devel-c