Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070409 09:49]: > I think we should push the multi-arch media. Particularly, the > x86/amd64/powerpc one can boot something like 99% of all the hardware > debian will ever run on, without the user having to care about what arch > his PC or Mac is, since the media d

Re: many rejects (Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007)

2007-04-09 Thread Vincent Danjean
Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > Again, not a devotee problem. Just for information, I get an error message when voting with icedove and the enigmail extension (see the text at the end of the message). The error was not clear at all for me. All I did was to clic on the "encryption" and "sign"

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 08 avril 2007 à 17:42 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > So you don't believe that software will continue to push forward our minimum > hardware requirements, the way it has for the past decade or so? What do > you think is the minimum memory required to run a "comfortable" desktop > sy

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 09 April 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: you don't believe that software will continue to push forward our > minimum hardware requirements, the way it has for the past decade or so? > What do you think is the minimum memory required to run a "comfortable" > desktop system (or workstation) to

Re: Bug#416841: Need help with MySQL upgrade tests on 2.4 kernel

2007-04-09 Thread Christian Hammers
On 2007-04-07 Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 03:39:11PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 12:28:13PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Isn't this only reported against the version in sid, which is not > > > included in etch? > > > > Etch is the last Deb

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070409 10:00]: > > I think we should push the multi-arch media. Particularly, the > > x86/amd64/powerpc one can boot something like 99% of all the hardware > > debian will ever run on, without the user having to care about what arch > > his PC or Mac is, s

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > * Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070409 10:00]: > > > > I think we should push the multi-arch media. Particularly, the > > > x86/amd64/powerpc one can boot something like 99% of all the hardware

Re: buildd-tools sbuild post-etch

2007-04-09 Thread Roger Leigh
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This mail is just to outline a few thoughts I have about where to take > sbuild after the release of Etch. > 1. Source Dependencies > -- > I'd like to completely strip global source dependencies out of > sbuild for Lenny since it is o

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > The multiarch media still has a small problem: for i386/amd64 they are > no "fire and forget" thing; you still need to find out if you have an > amd64 compatible system and start the amd64 boot process by hand. > > It would be

Re: Bug#416841: Need help with MySQL upgrade tests on 2.4 kernel

2007-04-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 01:28:18PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > What I feared was the upgrade process itself. I guess that mysql and the > new 2.6 kernel will get installed in the same "apt-get dist-upgrade" run > and thus if mysql-server-5.0 hangs and the user presses ctrl-c he is left > with

Re: Bug#416841: Need help with MySQL upgrade tests on 2.4 kernel

2007-04-09 Thread Christian Hammers
On 2007-04-09 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 01:28:18PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > > What I feared was the upgrade process itself. I guess that mysql and the > > new 2.6 kernel will get installed in the same "apt-get dist-upgrade" run > > and thus if mysql-server-5.0 han

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:42:31 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [M-F-T set appropriately] > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 11:15:56PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:10:58PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrot

Bug#418410: ITP: python-sympy -- Computer Algebra System (CAS) in Python

2007-04-09 Thread Ondrej Certik
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: python-sympy Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://code.google.com/p/sympy * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Descripti

Re: many rejects (Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007)

2007-04-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:07:09 +0200, Vincent Danjean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> Again, not a devotee problem. > Just for information, I get an error message when voting with icedove > and the enigmail extension (see the text at the end of the message). > The error w

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: >> The multiarch media still has a small problem: for i386/amd64 they are >> no "fire and forget" thing; you still need to find out if you have an >> amd64 compatible system an

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Does d-i need to run in 64bit mode to be able to install a amd64 > system? It needs a 64bit kernel to run 64bit binaries, and since many post installs run binaries, I would say yes it does. You could probably isntall 32bit using a

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 10:12:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > What are the concrete reasons, you think, for thinking that 2008 > (and not earlier or later) is going to be the deadline? From the > article, it seems to be mostly hand waving and pretending that the past > is a perf

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > > The multiarch media still has a small problem: for i386/amd64 they are > no "fire and forget" thing; you still need to find out if you have an > amd64 compatible system and start the amd64 boot process by hand. > > It would

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 07:17:53PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > syslinux (3.31-2) unstable; urgency=medium > > * Including all *.c32 modules (Closes: #391152). > * Added patch from Byron Stanoszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to autodetect 64bit > CPUs (Closes: #408138). > > -- Daniel Baumann <[

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: >> Does d-i need to run in 64bit mode to be able to install a amd64 >> system? > > It needs a 64bit kernel to run 64bit binaries, and since many post > installs run binaries, I would say

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 07:16:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > I think we agree that Moore's law predicts the available amount of memory. > High-end application developers will always write software that accomodates > to that amount, so when this amount is 8 GiB, app developers will either: > >

Bug#418424: ITP: pybackpack -- A simple incremental backup tool for Gnome

2007-04-09 Thread Andy Price
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andy Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pybackpack Version : 0.5.0 Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://andrewprice.me.uk/projects/pybackpack * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Descri

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 01:34:37PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > - Use win32 + PAE. This allows your program to run in the vast majority > > of computers, and provides the biggest profit in the short term. I hope > > this approach will be the most common, and expect it'll sustaine

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 01:29:59PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> Does d-i need to run in 64bit mode to be able to install a amd64 > >> system? > > > > It needs a 64bit kernel

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > Actually I wouldn't say win64 is broken, it just has a serious lack of > drivers, which of course will continue as long as nobody is using it. > If microsoft wanted to solve this they should mandate 64bit drivers > along with 32bit drivers in order to

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 07:16:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > - flash (I expect swfdec will be ready to replace non-free 32bit-only > implementation) Btw, I wonder how would Adobe feel about a feature in swfdec akin to iceweasel's "block banners from this site" advertisement killer.

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:27:18PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > > > Actually I wouldn't say win64 is broken, it just has a serious lack of > > drivers, which of course will continue as long as nobody is using it. > > If microsoft wanted to solve th

/etc/udev/rules.d non-symlinks

2007-04-09 Thread Joey Hess
I'm proposing that we change our de-facto policy for handling of files in /etc/udev/rules.d. Currently it is this (from udev's README.Debian): Packages should NEVER create files in /etc/udev/rules.d/, but create a symlink the first time the package is installed (and never try again, to allow

Re: /etc/udev/rules.d non-symlinks

2007-04-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:50:58PM -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm proposing that we change our de-facto policy for handling of files > in /etc/udev/rules.d. Currently it is this (from udev's README.Debian): > > Packages should NEVER create files in /etc/udev/rules.d/, but crea

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:16:12 +0200, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 10:12:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> What are the concrete reasons, you think, for thinking that 2008 (and >> not earlier or later) is going to be the deadline? From the article, >> it

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You mean win64-only games? Nobody dares to invest in developing that now; > it would be suicidal. I don't know about the practices of game developers, but, from what I see on Linux it should be minimal effort to port a software to 64 bit if it is writt

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suppose you haven't seen my previous mail. Note that this problem > (autodetecting 64-bit) is already solved in etch. True. I've read it after I wrot mine. Does d-i use syslinux? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a sub

Re: /etc/udev/rules.d non-symlinks

2007-04-09 Thread Joey Hess
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:50:58PM -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm proposing that we change our de-facto policy for handling of files > > in /etc/udev/rules.d. Currently it is this (from udev's README.Debian): > > > > Packages should NEVER create files in

Re: Bug#416841: Need help with MySQL upgrade tests on 2.4 kernel

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 01:28:18PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > > Mmm, guess I wasn't clear -- I mean that there's no point in trying to work > > on this bug, because lenny *as a whole* will not support 2.4 kernels. (the > > glibc maintainers are eager to drop LinuxThreads support, which mean

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 04:00:45PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I suppose you haven't seen my previous mail. Note that this problem > > (autodetecting 64-bit) is already solved in etch. > > True. I've read it after I wrot mine. > > Does d-i us

Bug#418448: general: PDF files not shown correctly due to missing 'Courier'

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Roeder
Package: general Severity: important This problem occurs with the gnome pdf reader and xpdf, so i report to "general". Sorry, if i got that wrong. Xpdf for example gives me this error messages: Error: Couldn't create a font for 'Courier' and like the other pdf readers does not show monospaced fon

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:06:14PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > I think we agree that Moore's law predicts the available amount of > > memory. > > Broadly. Precision, however, is not something Moore ever said > of his statistical law, The "perfect" prediction you want does not exis

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Joey Hess
Matthias Julius wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I suppose you haven't seen my previous mail. Note that this problem > > (autodetecting 64-bit) is already solved in etch. > > True. I've read it after I wrot mine. > > Does d-i use syslinux? Just a thought, but how about

Bug#418448: marked as done (general: PDF files not shown correctly due to missing 'Courier')

2007-04-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:32 +0200 with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line (no subject) has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reo

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 03:48:06PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You mean win64-only games? Nobody dares to invest in developing that now; > > it would be suicidal. > > I don't know about the practices of game developers, but, from what I > see o

Bug#418448: general: PDF files not shown correctly due to missing 'Courier'

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:42:06PM +0200, Matthias Roeder wrote: > Package: general > Severity: important > > This problem occurs with the gnome pdf reader and xpdf, so i report to > "general". Sorry, if i got that wrong. When you are unsure, it's usualy a good idea to file it on the package that

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just a thought, but how about booting d-i and familiarising yourself > with it? (This goes for all DDs who have never run d-i.) I hate to reboot just to try out d-i. :-) Now that etch is released I will actually do that. I have one machine left that is no

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Matthias Julius wrote: > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Just a thought, but how about booting d-i and familiarising yourself > > with it? (This goes for all DDs who have never run d-i.) > > I hate to reboot just to try out d-i. :-) Actually, you don't have to. T

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 03:48:06PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> I don't know about the practices of game developers, but, from what I >> see on Linux it should be minimal effort to port a software to 64 bit >> if it is written right. So, I would

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:14:50PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > You forgot the "+PAE" part. PAE helps the OS, not the applications. Applications still only get 32bit. Well unless the OS starts doing something weird, and it would then require applications written explictly for some memory access

Alpha for developers?

2007-04-09 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Heya, Sam Hocevar mentioned on his platform that there is no Alpha machine available for developers. As we have a few standing around in a cellar at work I'd be willing to setup one or two of them to be used as machines for developers, if there's anybody interested in that (and the machines still

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:27:18PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Workstations as well. CAD is one example. You can never have enough > memory there. I could imagine the same is true for video processing > or rendering and similar applications. I guess it won't become > mainstream until there

Three-package clearance sale

2007-04-09 Thread Clint Adams
Newly orphaned: conquest - a real-time, multi-player space warfare game xmaddressbook - X-based (Motif) address book zsh30 - zsh 3.0 xmaddressbook also needs someone to take over as upstream. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Jim Crilly
On 04/09/07 05:20:34PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:14:50PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > You forgot the "+PAE" part. > > PAE helps the OS, not the applications. Applications still only get > 32bit. Well unless the OS starts doing something weird, and it would >

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:06:14PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:16:12 +0200, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 10:12:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> What are the concrete reasons, you think, for thinking that 2008 (and > >> not

Re: Three-package clearance sale

2007-04-09 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Clint Adams escribió: > zsh30 - zsh 3.0 Hi, this includes all zsh packages? or just zsh30?... Jose Luis, - -- ghostbar on Linux/Debian 'sid' i686 - #382503 Weblog: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/ - http://talug.org.ve http://debian.org.ve - irc.debian.org #

Re: Alpha for developers?

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Bernd, On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:27:05PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Sam Hocevar mentioned on his platform that there is no Alpha machine > available for developers. As we have a few standing around in a cellar > at work I'd be willing to setup one or two of them to be used as > machines fo

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > Well my farther is going to get a new system for cad soon, which the > current plan is to have 64bit vista with solidworks 64bit running. But > it might be another month or two before he is ready for it, so hopefully > by then any remaining driver is

Re: Pushing multi-arch media (Re: blockers for 64-bit adoption)

2007-04-09 Thread Matthias Julius
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> I hate to reboot just to try out d-i. :-) > > Actually, you don't have to. Try qemu. Ahh, true. That's another chapter I havn't looked into, yet. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 64-bit transition deadline (Re: Etch in the hands of the Stable Release Managers)

2007-04-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:20:33 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:06:14PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Secondly, these large application developers you seem to speak of >> appear to be proprietary application developers -- which mean that in >> my eyes