Re: virtual packages for Ada libraries

2023-07-16 Thread Jeremy Bícha
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I now recall: The Rust library packages wreaking havoc by prematurely > entering testing is (at least partly) due to the Rust team choosing to > flag all(!) autopkgtests as flaky, so not really a concern for other > teams (read: just don't

Re: virtual packages for Ada libraries

2023-07-16 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
uild-Depend: libada-foo-dev > > binary -dev packages Depend: libada-foo-dev-HASH > > The intent is similar to the one of shared object versions, but the > > name changes often (for example, with the architecture) and is > > computed, so virtual packages seem more a

Re: virtual packages for Ada libraries

2023-07-15 Thread Julien Puydt
source packages Build-Depend: libada-foo-dev > > binary -dev packages Depend: libada-foo-dev-HASH > > The intent is similar to the one of shared object versions, but the > > name changes often (for example, with the architecture) and is > > computed, so virtual packages seem mo

Re: virtual packages for Ada libraries

2023-07-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
SH > The intent is similar to the one of shared object versions, but the > name changes often (for example, with the architecture) and is > computed, so virtual packages seem more appropriate. > > Policy 3.6 does not disapprove: > ... should not use virtual package names (

virtual packages for Ada libraries

2023-07-12 Thread Nicolas Boulenguez
the name changes often (for example, with the architecture) and is computed, so virtual packages seem more appropriate. Policy 3.6 does not disapprove: ... should not use virtual package names (except privately, amongst a cooperating group of packages) unless they have been agreed upon

Re: debian-policy: Proposing new virtual packages: wayland-session, x-session

2022-01-30 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:12:21 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > I propose this entry for virtual-package-names-list.yaml: > > - name: wayland-session > description: a Wayland desktop session > (/usr/share/wayland-sessions/*.desktop) Having looked more closely at display managers, I think we sho

Bug#976402: Proposed official virtual packages - todo and todo.txt

2020-12-04 Thread David Steele
Package: debian-policy Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, charlesmel...@outlook.com, on...@debian.org thanks I'd like to propose adding the virtual packages "todo" and "todo.txt" to the authoritative list of virtual package n

Re: Proposal: new virtual packages sf2-soundfont-gm and sf3-soundfont-gm

2019-08-01 Thread Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
Hello, чт, 1 авг. 2019 г. в 13:18, Fabian Greffrath : > > Dear debian-devel, > > we, the maintainers of soundfont packages in Debian, i.e. currently > mostly Thorsten Glaser and myself, would like to propose the > introduction of two additional virtual packages: > >

Re: Proposal: new virtual packages sf2-soundfont-gm and sf3-soundfont-gm

2019-08-01 Thread Sam Hartman
As a user of soundfonts, this proposal would solve a problem I've run into. It seems well thought out so I support it. --Sam

Proposal: new virtual packages sf2-soundfont-gm and sf3-soundfont-gm

2019-08-01 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Dear debian-devel, we, the maintainers of soundfont packages in Debian, i.e. currently mostly Thorsten Glaser and myself, would like to propose the introduction of two additional virtual packages: sf2-soundfont-gm sf3-soundfont-gm Background: There is currently no default

Re: Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus

2016-08-04 Thread Simon McVittie
it avoids ambiguity if apt is configured to see more than one suite (perhaps unstable and testing, or testing and stable-security) and the package providing default-d-s-b differs between those suites. If the scheme involving two virtual packages is preferred over this option, I would very much appreciate

Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, dbus-default-session-bus

2016-08-03 Thread Simon McVittie
Package: debian-policy Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org I propose two new virtual packages: dbus-session-bus: anything providing the D-Bus well-known session bus for user login sessions dbus-default-session-bus: Debian's preferred implementation of dbus-sessio

Re: MySQL server and client virtual packages

2014-08-01 Thread James Page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/08/14 15:06, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> This will enable the alternative MariaDB and Percona packages to >>> satisfy the dependency. MySQL 5.5, MariaDB 5.5 and PXC 5.5 are >>> all binary-compatible and most likely to work with any program >>> that c

Re: MySQL server and client virtual packages

2014-08-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
James Page dijo [Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:57:44AM +0100]: > (...) > The wider intent is that all maintainers of packages that depend on > mysql-server or mysql-client are encouraged to add as alternative > dependencies the virtual packages virtual-mysql-server[1] or > virtual

MySQL server and client virtual packages

2014-08-01 Thread James Page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Fellow Devel's Over the last 6 months, we have introduced a few new MySQL variants into Debian and expanded the use of the existing (but never formalized AFAICT) virtual-mysql-* virtual packages to supporting switching in/out the diff

Re: "security-aware-resolver" virtual package (Was: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server))

2013-10-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ondřej Surý writes (""security-aware-resolver" virtual package (Was: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server))"): > since the authoritative-name-server idea was rejected by the list, I was > going to propose alternative

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-27 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 10/24/2013 12:30 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 20:16, Octavio Alvarez wrote: >> On 22/10/13 09:18, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: >>> I would suggest: caching-name-server >> >> *-dns-server would be better, as it is specific enough to avoid name >> collision in the future. >

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-24 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 20:16, Octavio Alvarez wrote: > On 22/10/13 09:18, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > > I would suggest: caching-name-server > > *-dns-server would be better, as it is specific enough to avoid name > collision in the future. JFTR that should not be any name collisions as t

"security-aware-resolver" virtual package (Was: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server))

2013-10-24 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi James, since the authoritative-name-server idea was rejected by the list, I was going to propose alternative: security-aware-resolver The definition from RFC4033: Security-Aware Resolver: An entity acting in the role of a resolver (defined in section 2.4 of [RFC1034]) that understan

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-23 Thread James Cloos
As a side note to this discussion, more interesting than a list of all resolvers would be a list of /verifying/ resolvers. An easy way to find all packaged verifying resolvers, to choose one for local installation would help many users. And an easy way to depend on a local verifier would help bot

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-23 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:43:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý a écrit : > > The proposed names are: > > authoritative-name-server - authoritative domain name server > recursive-name-server - recursive domain name server Dear Ondřej, I am planning a Policy update by the end of the month. My understandi

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Ryan Hiebert
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Simon McVittie wrote: > > If you depend on one of these, what functionality can you rely on having > "out of the box"? What packages do you expect to benefit from having > these virtual packages to depend on? I'm wondering the same th

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
On 22 October 2013 20:16, Octavio Alvarez wrote: > On 22/10/13 09:18, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: >> >> I would suggest: caching-name-server > > > *-dns-server would be better, as it is specific enough to avoid name > collision in the future. Good point. Thanks. -- Arturo Borrero González

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 22/10/13 09:18, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: I would suggest: caching-name-server *-dns-server would be better, as it is specific enough to avoid name collision in the future. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I would suggest: caching-name-server > > That's basically what a recursive-name-server is. I don't think the > application should care whether it caches locally or not; that's up to the > local administrator. Almost every recursive resolver does cachi

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Arturo Borrero Gonzalez writes: > On 22 October 2013 15:43, Ondřej Surý wrote: >> there are now couple of quality DNS servers and most of their >> maintainers have agreed that it might be useful to have a virtual >> package that we can add to Provides: so it's easy to pick one DNS >> server if o

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:41:30 +0200, Ond?ej Surý wrote: >We might discuss whether recursive-name-server or caching-name-server >would be better match, but I think that not all recursive name server >has to be caching, but all caching name server has to be recursive. And >the IETF (at least the DNSS

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
On 22 October 2013 15:43, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Hi, > > there are now couple of quality DNS servers and most of their > maintainers have agreed that it might be useful to have a virtual > package that we can add to Provides: so it's easy to pick one DNS server > if one needs it. > > The proposed na

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Russ Allbery
e server >>> Any objections? >> If you depend on one of these, what functionality can you rely on >> having "out of the box"? What packages do you expect to benefit from >> having these virtual packages to depend on? > Break free from the technical aspect of

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Ondřej Surý" wrote: >Hi, > >there are now couple of quality DNS servers and most of their >maintainers have agreed that it might be useful to have a virtual >package that we can add to Provides: so it's easy to pick one DNS >server >if one needs it. > >The proposed names are: > >authoritative-n

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 15:52, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > At risk of coming across as a bikeshedder, > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:43:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > authoritative-name-server - authoritative domain name server > > recursive-name-server - recursive domain name server > > Is

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Ondřej Surý
; Any objections? > > If you depend on one of these, what functionality can you rely on having > "out of the box"? What packages do you expect to benefit from having > these virtual packages to depend on? Break free from the technical aspect of resolving dependencies. The vir

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Simon McVittie
ng "out of the box"? What packages do you expect to benefit from having these virtual packages to depend on? For a recursive name server, is the expected functionality "it listens on port 53, and will resolve DNS names without relying on any non-local, non-authoritative DNS servers&quo

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
At risk of coming across as a bikeshedder, On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:43:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > authoritative-name-server - authoritative domain name server > recursive-name-server - recursive domain name server Is there a need to distinguish between "name server" and "domain name serv

Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server & recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, there are now couple of quality DNS servers and most of their maintainers have agreed that it might be useful to have a virtual package that we can add to Provides: so it's easy to pick one DNS server if one needs it. The proposed names are: authoritative-name-server - authoritative domain n

Re: [RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:04:09PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote: > > I tried several variation, adding :same and/or :i386/:amd64 to > > the Conflicts and/or Provides in ICD Loader. I do not succeed into > :same doesn't exist (in this

Re: [RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
ncl1 > Replaces: libopencl1 > Suggests (or Recommends): opencl-icd That Replaces makes no sense. Why isn't that a Depends on opencl-icd? I assume a loader is useless without any implementations being installed, and the application would just depend on libopencl1 instead of both vir

Re: [RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-04 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 03/10/2013 13:04, David Kalnischkies a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote: >> I tried several variation, adding :same and/or :i386/:amd64 to >> the Conflicts and/or Provides in ICD Loader. I do not succeed into > > :same doesn't exist (in this context), where di

Re: [RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-04 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 03/10/2013 13:28, Simon McVittie a écrit : > On 03/10/13 10:54, Vincent Danjean wrote: >> The only "problem" is that it is not currently possible to install >> an ICD Loader:i386 from one vendor and an ICD Loader:amd64 from another >> vendor. > > Is there a valid reason to do that, other than

Re: [RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-03 Thread Simon McVittie
On 03/10/13 10:54, Vincent Danjean wrote: > The only "problem" is that it is not currently possible to install > an ICD Loader:i386 from one vendor and an ICD Loader:amd64 from another > vendor. Is there a valid reason to do that, other than "because I can"? If nobody would actually want to do t

Re: [RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-03 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote: > I tried several variation, adding :same and/or :i386/:amd64 to > the Conflicts and/or Provides in ICD Loader. I do not succeed into :same doesn't exist (in this context), where did you find that? Anyway, negative dependencies (Conflicts/

[RFC] multiarch and virtual packages

2013-10-03 Thread Vincent Danjean
Hi, While trying to setup a correct description of dependencies for OpenCL eco-system, we got a problem related to multi-arch. I will try to describe here a simplified version of the situation to illustrate our main problem (ie I do not take into account the various versions of OpenCL that can

Re: Removing some kernel-related virtual packages

2013-09-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 09/26/2013 01:19 AM, Paul Wise wrote: Do you also plan to get rid of these? They appear to be designed to block auto-removal of installed linux-image-* and linux-header-* packages. /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels I would hope not. Whereas (f

Re: Removing some kernel-related virtual packages

2013-09-25 Thread Paul Wise
Do you also plan to get rid of these? They appear to be designed to block auto-removal of installed linux-image-* and linux-header-* packages. /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Removing some kernel-related virtual packages

2013-09-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
I'd like to stop the binary packages built from linux providing the following virtual packages: * linux-image As explained in #724569, any relations on a virtual package prevent auto-removal of all providing packages, so in this case linux-image-* packages must be manually removed to

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 21/11/2012 17:48, Ian Jackson a écrit : >> Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed, >> making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-host >> package would seriously help as it allows maintainers to avoid to fill >> up Depends: fields with long and incom

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Jon Dowland
On 21 Nov 2012, at 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote: > don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of > existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they don't > offer any sort of guaranteed interface, and therefore cannot be > meaningfully us

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Simon McVittie
On 21/11/12 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote: > Without that, it's questionable whether the > virtual package serves any purpose, and indeed you'll find that the CD > ripping packages in Debian don't reference mp3-encoder ... and perhaps more tellingly, only one package Provides it, and that package isn'

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Alessio Treglia writes: > Why tightening up rules? Policy §3.6 does not pretend packages to meet > any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says "Sometimes > there are several packages which offer more-or-less the same > functionality. In this case, it's useful to define a virtual pac

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been > applied to other names on the list in the past. I don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson > wrote: > > So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would > > help improve the dependency resolution. >

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would > help improve the dependency resolution. Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed, making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-h

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Daniel Hartwig
On 21 November 2012 22:51, Alessio Treglia wrote: > Actually I receive lots of mails from users asking me questions like "How > could > I find an exhaustive list of LV2 toys currently provided by Debian?", "Does > the > X sequencer support LV2 plugins?". So, I think we'd do a good service to our

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
vided by Debian?", "Does= the X sequencer support LV2 > plugins?". So, I think we'd do a good service to ou= r users by > grouping audio hosts and plugins by features they do provide. [1] Isn't this something which would better be dealt with by debtags ? The purpose o

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Alessio Treglia
lugins by features they do provide. [1] [1] That does not mean I think it'd be appropriate to populate audio plugins' Provides: field with long lists of virtual packages. The original proposal was just about LV2 because of its constantly increasing popularity. Cheers! -- A

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been > applied to other names on the list in the past. This is not some kind of hazing ritual where people have to persuade a re

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ian Jackson (2012-11-21 13:40:35) > Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson > > wrote: > > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only p

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson > wrote: > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins > > with certain features. > > Altough dillo doesn

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-20 Thread Alessio Treglia
Hi Ian, thanks for the quick reply! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > An lv2-plugin could be almost anything AFAICT, so depending on "some > LV2 plugin" is not very useful. > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins > with certain features. Altoug

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Alessio Treglia writes ("New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > virtual-package-list.txt.gz [1] says: > >1. Post to debian-devel saying what names you intend to use or what > other changes you wish to make, and file a wish list bug against the >

New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-20 Thread Alessio Treglia
Hi everybody, virtual-package-list.txt.gz [1] says: 1. Post to debian-devel saying what names you intend to use or what other changes you wish to make, and file a wish list bug against the package debian-policy. So, here is my proposal: --- debian-policy-3.9.4.0/virtual-package-n

Bug#578421: virtual-packages: Retire java-compiler, java2-compiler and java-virtual-machine

2010-04-19 Thread Niels Thykier
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.4.0 Severity: wishlist Justification: Policy §3.6 X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi As of today[1], the Java Policy retired the use of the virtual packages mentioned in the subject line, which

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-28 Thread Bruce Sass
Someone wrote: > If you actually need to make this sort of response, could you do the > rest of us a favor and not do so publicly? Ya, you're right. Sorry. My frustration got the better of me. - Bruce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Con

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-27 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu September 27 2007 05:38:53 pm Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:08:49 -0600, Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > The bit you're still missing is the first part of the question you > > didn't answer: "Is there any situation where ownership has > > collided" > > > > IOW: if

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:08:49 -0600, Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The bit you're still missing is the first part of the question you > didn't answer: "Is there any situation where ownership has collided" > IOW: if the file shared by many packages isn't having ownership > problems there

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-27 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu September 27 2007 01:33:21 am Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:04:33 -0600, Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hmm? You assumed, and I quote "there are no such situations > which would not already have a virtual package". Since there are > situations where the

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:04:33 -0600, Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue September 25 2007 09:22:02 am Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:36:24 -0600, Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > On Sun September 23 2007 03:08:59 pm Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> On Sun, 23 Se

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-26 Thread Bruce Sass
mined. > > - However, since the only files I could imagine being left out of > > the above transition are ones which arrive with the initial > > installation of Debian, there should not be many of them. > > > > i.e.: afaict, it probably isn't much of a problem >

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
I provided that use case. I see no reason to create a virtual >> package to implement the use case I provided. >> >> I ask again, do you have a use case which led you down the path of >> proposing a virtual package? > I say again, I have not proposed creating any v

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-25 Thread Bruce Sass
I ask again, do you have a use case which led you down the > path of proposing a virtual package? I say again, I have not proposed creating any virtual packages... > > I have written nothing about "adding a virtual package", and the > > functionality of the existi

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
written nothing about "adding a virtual package", and the > functionality of the existing virtual packages which I would manifest > is obvious---provide a home for the files "shared by many packages but > really owned by none." >> > Perhaps virtual packages need to have a r

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-23 Thread Bruce Sass
so > no other package is going to depend on it? Why are you asking that. You provided the use case---"a file shared by many packages but really owned by none." I have written nothing about "adding a virtual package", and the functionality of the existing virtual packages w

Re: semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
gt; by anyone. The same solution would apply, if we could create a > package for it on the fly. We can create any number of dummy packages on the fly, but what is the use case we are trying to solve here? Why are we adding a virtual package, having package provide the virtual package,

semi-virtual packages?

2007-09-23 Thread Bruce Sass
it can not be owned by anyone. The same solution would apply, if we could create a package for it on the fly. Is there any situation where ownership has collided, and a virtual package is/(could) not (be) Provide:-ed? [Realizing that discussion about wild ideas is far from sublime, I decided to p

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-09-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Following some discussion with Marco d'Itri about inetd, I'd like to > put forward some more general thoughts on virtual package handling for > some comments. > > Currently, virtual packages (such as mail-transport-

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-30 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 00:29, Steve Langasek took the opportunity to say: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:51:39PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > On Monday 28 August 2006 21:06, Steve Langasek took the opportunity to say: > > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 04:01:57PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: >

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:51:39PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > On Monday 28 August 2006 21:06, Steve Langasek took the opportunity to say: > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 04:01:57PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > > Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only > > > on

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-29 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Monday 28 August 2006 21:06, Steve Langasek took the opportunity to say: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 04:01:57PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only > > on exim4 (the default), should work. Of course, exim4 can't conflict with >

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually they can, but it's recommended that a real package be given as > well. From /usr/share/lintian/checks/fields.desc: > Tag: virtual-package-depends-without-real-package-depends > Type: warning > Ref: policy 7.4 > Info: The package declares a de

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 04:01:57PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only on > exim4 (the default), should work. Of course, exim4 can't conflict with it > (but it's enough that all the others do), No, that's not enough. The exim

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Magnus Holmgren
ackage handling for > > some comments. > > > > Currently, virtual packages (such as mail-transport-agent) cannot be > > specified by themselves. They can only be used in combination with a > > non-virtual package which provides the default implementation. For > > example: > &

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Roger Leigh wrote: Hi folks, Following some discussion with Marco d'Itri about inetd, I'd like to put forward some more general thoughts on virtual package handling for some comments. Currently, virtual packages (such as mail-transport-agent) cannot be specified by themselves. The

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Magnus Holmgren
though. It's just a thought. > > this way, no virtual package would exist at all. That would appear to be incorrect. The Debian Policy Manual, § 7.4, defines a virtual package as "one which appears in the Provides control file field of another package". It goes on to say th

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 28/08/2006 Magnus Holmgren wrote: > Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only on > exim4 (the default), should work. Of course, exim4 can't conflict with it > (but it's enough that all the others do), so if the default is changed then > the old default, the new

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Monday 28 August 2006 14:59, Roger Leigh took the opportunity to say: > For the case of mail-transport-agent, this could be simply solved by > the creation of a mail-transport-agent-default package. This would > be an empty package, doing nothing but providing this dependency: > > Depends: ex

Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-28 Thread Roger Leigh
Hi folks, Following some discussion with Marco d'Itri about inetd, I'd like to put forward some more general thoughts on virtual package handling for some comments. Currently, virtual packages (such as mail-transport-agent) cannot be specified by themselves. They can only be used in c

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-08-02 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
On August 1, 2006 at 1:04PM +0100, ian (at davenant.greenend.org.uk) wrote: > Tatsuya Kinoshita writes ("Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and > `pinentry-x11'"): > > Hmm, I have not yet understand the policy 3.6: > > > > | All packages should use

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-08-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Tatsuya Kinoshita writes ("Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'"): > Hmm, I have not yet understand the policy 3.6: > > | All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and > | arrange to create new ones if necessa

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10730 March 1977, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > | All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and > | arrange to create new ones if necessary. They should not use virtual > | package names (except privately, amongst a cooperating group of > | packages) unl

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
On July 29, 2006 at 4:02PM +0200, joerg (at debian.org) wrote: > > At the moment, should `pinentry' be added to the list of virtual > > package names? If so, I'll file a wishlist bug against debian-policy. > > Nope. If it can work as the pinentry thing then provide it. Thats it for you. Hmm, I h

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10730 March 1977, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > At the moment, should `pinentry' be added to the list of virtual > package names? If so, I'll file a wishlist bug against debian-policy. Nope. If it can work as the pinentry thing then provide it. Thats it for you. -- bye Joerg I read the DUMP an

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
On July 29, 2006 at 1:18PM +0200, myon (at debian.org) wrote: > > Should `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11' be added to the list of > > virtual package names? > Policy: 3.6. Virtual packages > > All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, a

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Christoph Berg
y-gtk2 and pinentry-qt, and > the virtual package `pinentry-x11' is provided by pinentry-gtk, > pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-qt, but `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11' > are not found in the list of virtual package names. Policy: 3.6. Virtual packages All packages should use vi

virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
Should `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11' be added to the list of virtual package names? I've discovered that the virtual package `pinentry' is provided by pinentry-curses, pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-qt, and the virtual package `pinentry-x11' is provided by pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk2 and

Re: [repost] Policy for Scheme implementations supporting SRFI 22, also virtual packages

2005-05-21 Thread Eric Dorland
creation > of the virtual packages mentioned in the policy. I will wait a > few days before doing any more steps in this regard. Been a while since I've done anything Schemey, but this looks like a good proposal. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber:

[repost] Policy for Scheme implementations supporting SRFI 22, also virtual packages

2005-05-21 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Note: This is a repost of the mail at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg01000.html - no replies were received at that time. I have now created a bug report against debian-policy (#310113) requesting the creation of the virtual packages mentioned in the policy. I will wait

Re: Depending on Virtual Packages (Public Service Announcement)

2004-12-07 Thread Paul Hampson
ovides > > P, > As a totally offtopic suggestion, how come APT doesn't handle virtual packages > the way Fink does, where the user gets to choose which virtual package to > install to satisfy the dependency? Probably because apt is a back-end (nominally) and so doesn't

Re: Depending on Virtual Packages (Public Service Announcement)

2004-12-07 Thread Ari Pollak
Daniel Burrows debian.org> writes: > When your package Depends upon or Recommends a pure-virtual package P, you > should always OR the dependency with a dependency on something that provides > P, As a totally offtopic suggestion, how come APT doesn't handle virtual packages

Re: Depending on Virtual Packages (Public Service Announcement)

2004-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Chasecreek Systemhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:18:12 -0500, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't understand what this has to do with Gnome or anything I said. > > Maybe its just me -- but your statement about selecting a preferred > package over any ol

Re: Depending on Virtual Packages (Public Service Announcement)

2004-12-03 Thread Frank Küster
Chasecreek Systemhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:18:12 -0500, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't understand what this has to do with Gnome or anything I said. > > Maybe its just me -- but your statement about selecting a preferred > package over any o

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