Re: Bug#352303: ITP: gsynaptics -- configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X

2006-02-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2006-02-11 kello 13:30 +0900, Osamu Aoki kirjoitti: > GSynaptics is a configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver > of X server. Before you use this package, please read > /usr/share/doc/gsynaptics/README and configure X server properly. "Properly" is a bad word to use in this context,

Bug#352303: ITP: gsynaptics -- configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X

2006-02-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Package name: gsynaptics Version : 0.9.5 Upstream Author : Hiroyuki Ikezoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Takuro Ashie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ikuya Awashiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 08:08:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > That view, namely "other people may propose ballots that aren't good > > enough, and it's my job to stop that", is precisely a supervisory one. > Often the role of a Secretary is a ministerial one, and

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 10 Feb 2006, Anthony Towns outgrape: > That view, namely "other people may propose ballots that aren't good > enough, and it's my job to stop that", is precisely a supervisory > one. The secretary is responsible for running the vote, and also has the final decision for the form of the

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > That view, namely "other people may propose ballots that aren't good > enough, and it's my job to stop that", is precisely a supervisory one. Often the role of a Secretary is a ministerial one, and which wouldn't include supervisory elements. However, Debian is different

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 08:34:53PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 8 Feb 2006, Anthony Towns stated: > > Personally, I hope and trust that the developer body are honourable > > enough to note vote for a proposal they think contradicts the social > > contract or DFSG; and I don't see much point

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Neil Roeth
On Feb 10, Hendrik Sattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2006 13:36 schrieb Neil Roeth: > > On Feb 10, Hendrik Sattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML > > > and provides manual

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 8 Feb 2006, Anthony Towns stated: > Personally, I hope and trust that the developer body are honourable > enough to note vote for a proposal they think contradicts the social > contract or DFSG; and I don't see much point to all the implications > that we're not that honourable and need to have

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:31:43AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Incidentally, if I ever become a DD, I *will* immediately propose a GR to > amend the Social Contract to explicitly allow unmodifiable license texts in > Debian, since it technically doesn't, but everyone agrees that it should.

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 11:25:10AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > It says how the documents can be superceded or withdrawn; it doesn't > > say anything about ignoring them outright, or changing the way they're > > interpreted. > That's a strawman argument. > The ballot options are not being ignored.

Bug#352280: ITP: ksmoothdock -- A cool desktop panel (like KDE's kicker) for KDE with smooth zooming

2006-02-10 Thread Philippe COVAL
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Philippe COVAL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ksmoothdock Version : 3.6.1 Upstream Author : Name * URL : http://ksmoothdock.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : A cool desktop panel (like KDE's kicke

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Incidentally, if I ever become a DD, I *will* immediately propose a GR to amend the Social Contract to explicitly allow unmodifiable license texts in Debian, since it technically doesn't, but everyone agrees that it should. I'd welcome someone else beating me to it.

Re: timezone data packaged separately and in volatile?

2006-02-10 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 07:42:25PM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: > At Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:30:01 +1100, > Anand Kumria wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:42:31PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: >>> I just realised that the timezone data in glibc is taken from an >>> upstream database (namely ftp://

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 12:22:34PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Several folks seem to wish to re-ignite the debate of whether or not > the changes were "editorial" or not. Whether it was or was not, it's > now over and done with. This GR is a separate, albeit related, issue. The changes could onl

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-02-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 02:55:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Sorry, but there's a whole new generation of Debian developers here >> > that simply won't develop anything in perl, just because

Bug#352252: ITP: sdljump -- an improved clone of xjump featuring multi-player mode

2006-02-10 Thread Bas Wijnen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: sdljump Version : 0.91-1 Upstream Author : Juan Pedro Bol\('ivar Puente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sdljump.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : an impro

rules: unpatch as dependency (was Bug#351301)

2006-02-10 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hello Rene, hello debian-devel, Rene Engelhard schrieb am Sat 04. Feb, 10:23 (+0100): > Jörg Sommer wrote: > > # prep-deb-files from module-assistant creates the neccessary debian/ > > files > > -kdist_config: prep-deb-files > > +kdist_config: prep-deb-files patch-stamp > > Not needed. The pat

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: >> Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Yes. Because I would trust the developers to see the amendment as the >> > silly >> > fraud that it would be, and vote it down. We don't need t

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/9/06, Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To impose the 3:1 requirement requires, beforehand, a judgment concerning > the DFSG. Since no one has found a Secretarial basis for that power, it > follows that to arbitrarily impose 3:1 supermajorities (when doing so on > the basis of a

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/9/06, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 05:18:18PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > On 2/9/06, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > As it happens, it says nothing about implicit changes to foundation > > > documents, or even about having to act in accord with them. > > Section 4.1.5.3 seems

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 12:09:40PM +0100, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Hi, > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML and > provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > Is there any preference on which type should be included in the -dev package? > I would

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 12:36:54PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [Christopher Martin] > >> If an issue is highly controversial, then I can think of no better > >> way of settling it in a way that most developers will accept than a > >> vote.

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Gabor Gombas
Hi, On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 12:09:40PM +0100, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Is there any preference on which type should be included in the -dev package? > I would prefer PDF: > * one file only > * easy to print > * many viewers available > > I would rather not build all three as this is a definit

Re: Could you help me?

2006-02-10 Thread paddy
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 10:33:12AM +0700, namth wrote: > Hi, > > I want to build a glibc 2.3.2-95.27 but I don't know what to do Could you > tell me to build it? (resisting the temptation to say "Namth, Build it!") I'll try ... http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, 6.13 and 6.14

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2006 13:54 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > This has been discussed a long time ago and there is a policy decided. > > >From the Policy Manual: > >         12.4 Preferred documentation formats >         >         The unification of Debian documentation is being carried out via >  

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Remi Vanicat
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2006 12:36 schrieb Daniel Leidert: >> Am Freitag, den 10.02.2006, 12:09 +0100 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: >> > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML >> > and provides manual build targets for PDF,

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-02-10 kello 07:36 -0500, Neil Roeth kirjoitti: > On Feb 10, Hendrik Sattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML > and > > provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > > > Is there any preference on which t

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Roger Leigh
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2006 12:36 schrieb Daniel Leidert: >> Am Freitag, den 10.02.2006, 12:09 +0100 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: >> > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML >> > and provides manual build targets for PDF,

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 07:36 -0500, Neil Roeth wrote: > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML > and > > provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > > > Is there any preference on which type should be included in the -dev > package? > > I would

Re: bug pages and source packages

2006-02-10 Thread Frank Küster
Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Norbert Preining [Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:57:20 +0100]: > >> HI all! > > Hi, > >> When I go to >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=info >> it tells me >> ... to the source package texinfo's bug page ... > >> But when I go to >>

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2006 13:36 schrieb Neil Roeth: > On Feb 10, Hendrik Sattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML > > and provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > > > Is there any preference on

GR2004-03 outcome was superceeded by GR2004-04, live with it

2006-02-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Quoting Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > That was a 3:1 majority out of 200 voters, considering that Debian > > > > http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_004 > > > > There were exactly 909 developers including active, MIA and inactive

documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Neil Roeth
On Feb 10, Hendrik Sattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi, > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML and > provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > Is there any preference on which type should be included in the -dev package? > I would pre

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Roger Leigh
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > >> On Feb 09, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Has anyone come forward and said "I was deceived by GR 2004-03"? I > >> Yes, multiple people did. HTH. > > Who? I can't recall any. Ca

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2006 12:36 schrieb Daniel Leidert: > Am Freitag, den 10.02.2006, 12:09 +0100 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML > > and provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > > > Is there any preference on wh

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-02-10 Thread Stephen Gran
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 02:55:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sorry, but there's a whole new generation of Debian developers here > > that simply won't develop anything in perl, just because perl looks > > too complex and cryptic to us. N

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Freitag, den 10.02.2006, 12:09 +0100 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML and > provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > Is there any preference on which type should be included in the -dev package? Why don't you mo

documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Hi, I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML and provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. Is there any preference on which type should be included in the -dev package? I would prefer PDF: * one file only * easy to print * many viewers available I wou

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: > Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Yes. Because I would trust the developers to see the amendment as the silly > > fraud that it would be, and vote it down. We don't need the Secretary's > > protection, believe it or not. >

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:31:43AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Well, maybe the people who mislabeled the "everything is software" vote > > as an "editorial change" and deceived many other developers should have > > tought about this. > > This is an old canard. >

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-02-10 Thread Janusz A. Urbanowicz
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 02:55:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sorry, but there's a whole new generation of Debian developers here that > > simply won't develop anything in perl, just because perl looks too > > complex and cryptic to us. N

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 09:02:01AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Quoting Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 12:16:43PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > Quoting Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Well, maybe the people who mislabeled the "everything is software

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 09:31:55AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Quoting Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > That was a 3:1 majority out of 200 voters, considering that Debian > > > counts almost 1000 developers and considering that many pros are > > > convinced they have been deceived. > >

Re: Bug#352073: ITP: gerwin -- CASE tool for edit data model

2006-02-10 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 12:06:25AM -0200, Fernando Ike de Oliveira wrote: > * Package name: gerwin please note that gerwin has been renamed to ferret to avoid legal problems (erwin trademark). cu robert -- Robert Lemmen http://www.semistable.com signature.a

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > That was a 3:1 majority out of 200 voters, considering that Debian > > counts almost 1000 developers and considering that many pros are > > convinced they have been deceived. > > > Extremists are a minority but a very lound minority as usual which ma

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe we could suggest another "editorial change" and revert to the > previous wording (not everything is software) > > Uh ? Wouldn't help, as I noted elsewhere. "Debian is 100% free software" doesn't actually leave any room for non-software in Debian. The previous

Re: How to create Debian Live CD

2006-02-10 Thread Rudi Effe
Am Mittwoch 08 Februar 2006 09:51 schrieb Chandan M. C.: > I have installed on my system.. > But I didnt get excat procedure to build a live cd with my own root > file system ( may the host root file system) ... hi, try livebackup regards rudi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 12:16:43PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > Quoting Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Well, maybe the people who mislabeled the "everything is software" vote > > > as an "editorial change" and deceived many other develo

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
> On Feb 09, Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The binutils package generates part of its documentation from header > > files in order to get the structures and constants right. The headers > > are GPLed, the compiled documentation is under the GFDL. For this > > relicensing to hap