Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 09:23:43PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 30, Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it > >was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. > This is the way of mirror

Re: [RFH] The need for signed packages and signed Releases (long, long)

2002-11-30 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 03:24:15AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > > Yes, and avoiding binary uploads by maintainers can make the system a bit > > more transparently auditable. > > Not to mention making it break a lot more. > > Quit beating that horse, it's already b

Re: reliable streams over UDP

2002-11-30 Thread Steve Dunham
Shyamal Prasad wrote: Russell> Surely someone must have written something similar to TCP Russell> but implemented on top of UDP. Too many people have tried this ;-) Try SCTP, a recent attempt to deal with the "reliable UDP" solution: The 2.5.50 kernel has a SCTP implementation. Dunno how

Cost Effective Product Documentation

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Re: Bug#171116: ITP: tsclient -- GNOME2 frontend for rdesktop

2002-11-30 Thread Ari Pollak
I agree with this logic. Generally if I search for a GTK 2.x theme engine with apt-cache, I search for gtk2-blah, not gtk-blah, since by convention gtk- strictly means gtk 1.x only. Andrew Lau wrote: But some people do deliberately "apt-cache search GNOME 2" to find new GTK+2.0 based software th

Re: Bug#171116: ITP: tsclient -- GNOME2 frontend for rdesktop

2002-11-30 Thread Andrew Lau
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 10:36:02AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > gnome 1 probably is not going to be in sarge, so the difference > between gnome 1 and gnome 2 arent going to matter to someone > installing sarge. But some people do deliberately "apt-cache search GNOME 2" to find new GTK+2.0 based s

Re: free alternative to povray?

2002-11-30 Thread Vonsur Kcin
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 11:30:45AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:33:30PM +, Stephen Stafford wrote: > > /usr/share/povray/ > > > > in the povray-doc package. > > Does this mean that blender uses the same file format as blender? > (that was the original question). Blend

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 30, Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it >was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. This is the way of mirror operators to tell you that you should really use jigdo or even better t

Re: free alternative to povray?

2002-11-30 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:33:30PM +, Stephen Stafford wrote: > /usr/share/povray/ > > in the povray-doc package. Does this mean that blender uses the same file format as blender? (that was the original question). Are there any DFSG examples for blender? -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 04:06:40PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: The problem with the net installs isos is mainly that they are unofficial and there are several varying cd's produced by different folks, and of varying quality (though quality is overall good; I've used Yeah. The i386 all work afaik, but t

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 08:56:37AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is reverse == forward(reverse) that is important. s/is important/was important/ Mike Stone

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Joey Hess | Of course debian-installer should support 1.4 mb net install floppies | too. s/should support/supports/ -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' :

Re: debian jabber packages

2002-11-30 Thread Sami Haahtinen
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:35:23AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > I will send the latest jabber diff with some comments to Jamin and ask him > to quickly make an upload with changed maintainer field. After that he can > start to work on the new Version. Jamin, I have an (yet unused) CVS > reposito

Re: [Agnubis] Packaging Agnubis for Debian GNU/Linux

2002-11-30 Thread Raphaël Bordet
Le sam 30/11/2002 à 11:27, Andrew Lau a écrit : > On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 04:20:09PM +0100, Amaya wrote: > > Condider that his ITP has been there for two months. He's either not > > that motivated or simply busy. And NM is much more time consuming > > than closing an ITP. Offer your help, whatever

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 11:20:10AM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > > > Joy (or any of the rest of the www team) - where do you get the data > > > to put into the mirror pages on www.d.o? > > > > Well, we get it from the Internet :) Please rephrase the question, I don't > > understand. > > Well, do

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:56:59AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:23:23PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > > Joy (or any of the rest of the www team) - where do you get the data > > to put into the mirror pages on www.d.o? > > Well, we get it from the Internet :) Please rephra

Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 12:35:25PM -0500, Jim Penny wrote: > > I think you are missing the points here. > > > > First of all, DFSG applied to the standard does not want to change the > > standard, > > but wants all to be able to change the text of the standard. > > Huh? If I change the text o

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-30 Thread Herbert Xu
Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is reverse == forward(reverse) that is important. -- Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert X

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread David B Harris
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:06:40 -0500 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem with the net installs isos is mainly that they are > unofficial and there are several varying cd's produced by different > folks, and of varying quality (though quality is overall good; I've > used them happily in

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ari" == Ari Pollak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ari> I had been taking the full brunt of the responsibility for Ari> the xscreensaver NMU, but since I was a pre-NM at the time Ari> and sponsors of uploads are supposed to follow Debian policy Ari> as well, he ended up taking m

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Joey Hess
David B Harris wrote: > There being an order of magnitude more package mirrors than ISO mirrors. > Completely ignoring the web site organisation, mind you, it's been > common for a long time for people to encourage network-based installs, > or anything other than downloading full 640M ISOs. > > Pa

Re: Bug#171116: ITP: tsclient -- GNOME2 frontend for rdesktop

2002-11-30 Thread Colin Walters
[ No need to CC me ] On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 11:36, Graham Wilson wrote: > how about: Windows Terminal Services (RDP) client for GNOME? > > gnome 1 probably is not going to be in sarge, so the difference between > gnome 1 and gnome 2 arent going to matter to someone installing sarge. You're right

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Ari Pollak
I had been taking the full brunt of the responsibility for the xscreensaver NMU, but since I was a pre-NM at the time and sponsors of uploads are supposed to follow Debian policy as well, he ended up taking most of the responsibility. This was a similar situation; however, I felt it was necessa

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Brian Nelson
Andrew Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 06:36:06PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: >> On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 17:50, Ari Pollak wrote: >> > Didn't you sponsor the upload? >> >> No, that was me... > > This Colin & Colin confusion has been quite contagious this season, > hasn't i

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ari" == Ari Pollak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> IIRC Ari has caused upset with NMUs before; xscreensaver, I >> believe. (I express no opinion about whether that upload was a >> good idea or not.) Ari> Didn't you sponsor the upload? Um, so? While yes the sponsor is at

Bug#171273: ITP: systrace -- Enforce system call policies for applications

2002-11-30 Thread Thorsten Sauter
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: systrace Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Niels Provos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/ * License : BSD Description : Enforce

Bug#171274: ITP: xsystrace -- Systrace frontend invoked by systrace

2002-11-30 Thread Thorsten Sauter
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: xsystrace Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Niels Provos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/ * License : BSD Description : Systrac

Bug#171276: ITP: kernel-patch-systrace -- Systrace kernel patch

2002-11-30 Thread Thorsten Sauter
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: kernel-patch-systrace Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Niels Provos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/ * License : BSD Description

Bug#171270: ITP: ulog -- xsession equivalent of commands such as who or last

2002-11-30 Thread Cajus Pollmeier
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: ulog Version : 0.3.0 Upstream Author : Hervé Eychenne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.ulog.org * License : GPL Description : xsession equivalent of commands s

Re: /proc/cpuinfo is false

2002-11-30 Thread Mike Dresser
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello, > > I have a nfs-server at home and it was running SLINK r5. > All was working fine. > > Now I have installed WOODY r0 on it, and linux_logo give > me only 117 MHz. The BogoMIPS are right with 233.47. Indeed, that speed IS right. AMD did the

Re: [Agnubis] Packaging Agnubis for Debian GNU/Linux

2002-11-30 Thread Amaya
Andrew Lau dijo: > It's the other way around. God... I feel dumb :-) > I'd have to package DiaCanvas2 as well, and thus rudely hijacking the > poor bloke's ITP. That why I hope he can show me to committed, > otherwise I will have no choice but to hijack it in order to release > Agnubis .deb packa

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread David B Harris
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:27:33 +1300 Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Given the ISO mirroring situation"? Care to elucidate? There being an order of magnitude more package mirrors than ISO mirrors. Completely ignoring the web site organisation, mind you, it's been common for a long time f

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-30 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Georg" == Georg Lehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> ... What would be wrong with multiple A records in this Georg> case? The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record won't necessarily match the name that produced the A record. While not broken, it can ha

Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

2002-11-30 Thread Jim Penny
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 11:37:41AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Jim Penny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021128 03:35]: > > So, according to Branden, international standards are supposed to allow > > debian the right to modify them and to distribute the modified versions. > > Absent said permission,

/proc/cpuinfo is false

2002-11-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello, I have a nfs-server at home and it was running SLINK r5. All was working fine. Now I have installed WOODY r0 on it, and linux_logo give me only 117 MHz. The BogoMIPS are right with 233.47. I have a AMD K5 with 166 MHz and /proc/cpuinfo give me: If I use another Harddisk (I have IDE-

Kernel 2.4.19 and wanpipe.o

2002-11-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello, I have a Sangoma Wanpipe and need to compile a new Kernel which support it. I have tried to compile the module and compiled into the kernel. But I get every time I compile it many error messages about 'symboles' or something like this. Sorry, I can not give you better informations, be

Re: Bug#171116: ITP: tsclient -- GNOME2 frontend for rdesktop

2002-11-30 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:22:01PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 21:09, Andrew Lau wrote: > > Package: wnpp > > Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-29 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > * Package name: tsclient > > Version : 0.56 > > Upstream Author : Erick Woods <[EMA

Fwd: Please confirm your message

2002-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
I believe that it is inappropriate to use such an email system that does this when sending messages to the BTS. Also anyone who wants to use such a system when posting to a popular mailing list (such as debian-devel) should first put in place a white-list of people who regularly post to the lis

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 09:31:46PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 06:36:06PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 17:50, Ari Pollak wrote: > > > Didn't you sponsor the upload? > > > > No, that was me... > > This Colin & Colin confusion has been quite contagiou

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Joey Hess
Nick Phillips wrote: > I'd suggest that a simple method for mirror admins to let us know what they > plan to mirror, and for us to test its availability on a regular basis, > would be a good idea. > > (In fact I might even "just do it"). I'm in the process of doing that, see the debian-cd list.

Bug#171253: ITP: libdjbdns -- DNS client library designed to replace the BIND res_*/dn_* library

2002-11-30 Thread Gerrit Pape
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist DNS client library designed to replace the old BIND res_*/dn_* library[0] High-level lookups: The dns library provides several easy-to-use DNS lookup routines: dns_ip4, dns_ip4_qualify, dns_name4, dns_mx, and dns_txt. dns_ip4_qualify supports the traditional con

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2002-11-30 Thread Shiju p. Nair
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qa.debian.org: attributes revoked GnuPG keys to maintainers

2002-11-30 Thread Andrew Lau
Package: qa.debian.org Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-30 Severity: normal developer.php on http://qa.debian.org seems to be too agressive in attributing keys to maintainers. It's even listing revoked keys on the "Packages overview" pages. Take a look at my "Packages overview" page [1]. It

Re: gpg-agent?

2002-11-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 29, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >from the current packager i had to hear that it's largely unstable. >many bugs and such. we'll have to wait... I have been using it for weeks without any problem, so I'd say it should be packaged. (No, I'm not going to do it.) -- ciao, Mar

Bug#171237: ITP: tinycdb -- a package for creating and reading constant databases

2002-11-30 Thread Christian Kurz
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: tinycdb Version : 0.73 Upstream Author : Michael J. Tokarev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : ftp://ftp.corpit.ru/pub/tinycdb * License : Public Domain [1] Description : a

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:23:23PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > Joy (or any of the rest of the www team) - where do you get the data > to put into the mirror pages on www.d.o? Well, we get it from the Internet :) Please rephrase the question, I don't understand. > I'd suggest that a simple metho

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Andrew Lau
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 06:36:06PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 17:50, Ari Pollak wrote: > > Didn't you sponsor the upload? > > No, that was me... This Colin & Colin confusion has been quite contagious this season, hasn't it? = P Yours sincerely, Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau --

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 04:58:30PM -0500, David B Harris wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:58:51 -0500 > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The comparison is only fair with organizations that *want* you do do > > so(so not redhat, probably not openbsd, or mandrake, or others whose > > principal

Re: [Agnubis] Packaging Agnubis for Debian GNU/Linux

2002-11-30 Thread Andrew Lau
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 04:20:09PM +0100, Amaya wrote: > Condider that his ITP has been there for two months. He's either not > that motivated or simply busy. And NM is much more time consuming > than closing an ITP. Offer your help, whatever help you are willing > or able to give. > > If he is too

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:58:51PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > and behind netbsd in the sory state of our cdrom mirror network. I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. As he also said, many of

Re: KDEE3 question

2002-11-30 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> temporar breakage. So it would be good to change them anyways. And > looking so, the existing KDE3 packages could also go into Sid _now_. You're right. Packages from kde.org are very stable, and I think - correctly created, I'm using them for long time (about three months), and I didn't notice a

Re: KDEE3 question

2002-11-30 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Colin Watson [Fri, Nov 29 2002, 02:14:35PM]: > > to see a good reason for not compiling KDE3 on gcc 2.95 as this > > definitely works or else there wouldn't be a single KDE3 for woody > > package on kde.org. > > The good reason is that all the KDE library sonames have to be changed >

Re: New maintainer behaviour with NMU and LogJam's hijacking

2002-11-30 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> Firstly, I don't think this is a matter for debian-devel as it doesn't > involve the project as a whole and would best be dealt with privately. I usually consult debian-devel or other mailing lists before jumping on to do NMUs... well, sometimes :P Private mail do get lost, and there might b

Re: Adopting base-passwd

2002-11-30 Thread Andrew Lau
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:49:50PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > Since it's an essential package I figured I should mention this > before acting: Wichert and I have agreed that I will be taking over > maintenance of base-passwd. An upload will be in incoming by this > weekend. > > Cheers, > > --