Lev Bishop, le Wed 04 Jul 2007 23:54:32 -0400, a écrit :
> Is there a way I can investigate this without needing special braille
> hardware
Well, there is a virtual braille device, but it can't replace the fast
physical sense of braille dots.
Samuel
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On 7/3/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Corinna Vinschen, le Tue 03 Jul 2007 09:54:24 +0200, a écrit :
> For using local named pipes you don't need winsock anyway, and for
> remote connections you should use Cygwin sockets.
And mixing both is quite difficult. Anyhow, I'll only enable cygwin
sockets a
Corinna Vinschen, le Tue 03 Jul 2007 09:54:24 +0200, a écrit :
> I'm still not happy with the dependency to ws2_32.
> It should still go away and I don't see any reason to keep it.
Yes, we did agree on that in the thread. I will also split the package,
into brltty, xbrlapi, libbrlapi, libbrlapi-de
On Jul 3 01:32, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Samuel Thibault, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 19:59:25 +0800, a écrit :
> > Phil Betts, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 12:14:33 +0100, a écrit :
> > > Might I suggest a compromise? Create a new "Accessibility" group in
> > > setup. It would (at least for now) be the f
Hi,
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 19:59:25 +0800, a écrit :
> Phil Betts, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 12:14:33 +0100, a écrit :
> > Might I suggest a compromise? Create a new "Accessibility" group in
> > setup. It would (at least for now) be the first group
>
> That would be a fair compromise, yes
On 6/16/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hi,
(I was busy this week)
Christopher Faylor, le Fri 08 Jun 2007 16:10:16 -0400, a écrit :
> Cygwin isn't just a bunch of nifty programs clumped together for the
> delight and enjoyment of windows users. It's whole purpose in life is
> to provide implementa
Hi,
(I was busy this week)
Christopher Faylor, le Fri 08 Jun 2007 16:10:16 -0400, a écrit :
> Cygwin isn't just a bunch of nifty programs clumped together for the
> delight and enjoyment of windows users. It's whole purpose in life is
> to provide implementations of programs which use the linux/
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:05:19PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Christopher Faylor, le Fri 08 Jun 2007 10:42:49 -0400, a ?crit :
>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 03:57:20PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> >Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 15:01:46 -0400, a ?crit :
>> >>What about unix domain soc
Samuel Thibault, le Fri 08 Jun 2007 23:05:19 +0800, a écrit :
> I'm a bit tired to re-explain all of this, I've already had to do it on
> other lists, it's really boring to go along all these arguments just
> once more... But since you really want some details, here are more:
If you want even more
Christopher Faylor, le Fri 08 Jun 2007 10:42:49 -0400, a écrit :
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 03:57:20PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 15:01:46 -0400, a ?crit :
> >>What about unix domain sockets in cygwin? It sounds like you think
> >>they aren't available.
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 03:57:20PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 15:01:46 -0400, a ?crit :
>>What about unix domain sockets in cygwin? It sounds like you think
>>they aren't available.
>
>As I already said several times, it must work with non-cygwin
>applica
Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 15:01:46 -0400, a écrit :
> What about unix domain sockets in cygwin? It sounds like you think they
> aren't available.
As I already said several times, it must work with non-cygwin
applications as well.
Samuel
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On 6/7/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 14:39:17 -0400, a écrit :
> ...about 2ms round-trip. How is this a problem?
This adds up to the screen reader latency, etc.
Really, we tried both, and while tcp/ip was a bit painful, local sockets
were smooth.
Sorry, but I don't
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 02:46:19AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 14:39:17 -0400, a ?crit :
>> On 6/7/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> >Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 13:41:44 -0400, a ?crit :
>> >> ...around 80MByte/sec, which maybe isn't as fast as it could be using
>>
I forgot to also say: TCP/IP also often pose problem with firewalls, bad
network configuration, etc...
Samuel
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Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 14:39:17 -0400, a écrit :
> On 6/7/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 13:41:44 -0400, a écrit :
> >> ...around 80MByte/sec, which maybe isn't as fast as it could be using
> >> native functionality, but surely brltty doesn't need *that* much
>
On 6/7/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 13:41:44 -0400, a écrit :
> ...around 80MByte/sec, which maybe isn't as fast as it could be using
> native functionality, but surely brltty doesn't need *that* much
> bandwidth for transferring text?
It doesn't need bandwidth, it n
On 2007-06-08, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 13:41:44 -0400, a écrit :
> > ...around 80MByte/sec, which maybe isn't as fast as it could be using
> > native functionality, but surely brltty doesn't need *that* much
> > bandwidth for transferring text?
>
> It doesn't need b
Lev Bishop, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 13:41:44 -0400, a écrit :
> ...around 80MByte/sec, which maybe isn't as fast as it could be using
> native functionality, but surely brltty doesn't need *that* much
> bandwidth for transferring text?
It doesn't need bandwidth, it needs latency.
Samuel
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On 6/7/07, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 12:37:44 -0400, a écrit :
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 12:08:59AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >To the best of my knowledge, there is no "unixish" way in cygwin
> >to access these pipes, so we just used CreateNamedPipe().
>
Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 12:37:44 -0400, a écrit :
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 12:08:59AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >To the best of my knowledge, there is no "unixish" way in cygwin
> >to access these pipes, so we just used CreateNamedPipe().
>
> So don't use named pipes.
What i
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 12:08:59AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>To the best of my knowledge, there is no "unixish" way in cygwin
>to access these pipes, so we just used CreateNamedPipe().
So don't use named pipes.
>As a result, we have a windows handle to deal with. If we used the
>cygwin sock
Christopher Faylor, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 08:26:42 -0400, a écrit :
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 07:49:50PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >Christopher Faylor, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 16:11:11 -0400, a ?crit :
> >> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 03:24:45AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >> >Brian Dessent, le Wed 0
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:04:26AM -0400, Lev Bishop wrote:
> On 6/7/07, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 07:49:50PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
>
>> >But when talking about communicating with other applications, we need to
>> >use windows interfaces when the linux API does
On 6/7/07, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 07:49:50PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>But when talking about communicating with other applications, we need to
>use windows interfaces when the linux API doesn't permit it, shouldn't
>we?
Only if you can clearly communicate why
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 07:49:50PM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Christopher Faylor, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 16:11:11 -0400, a ?crit :
>> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 03:24:45AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> >Brian Dessent, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 02:42:50 -0700, a ?crit :
>> >> Yes, setup automaticall
Hi,
Phil Betts, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 12:14:33 +0100, a écrit :
> Might I suggest a compromise? Create a new "Accessibility" group in
> setup. It would (at least for now) be the first group
That would be a fair compromise, yes.
Samuel
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Hi,
Christopher Faylor, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 16:11:11 -0400, a écrit :
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 03:24:45AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >Brian Dessent, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 02:42:50 -0700, a ?crit :
> >> Yes, setup automatically selects everything in Base for installation,
> >
> >Ah, I didn't know
Christopher Faylor wrote on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:26 PM::
> On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 02:22:30PM -0500, DePriest, Jason R. wrote:
>> On 6/6/07, Dave wrote:
>>> Brian Dessent wrote:
Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
Perhap
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 03:24:45AM +0800, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Brian Dessent, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 02:42:50 -0700, a ?crit :
>> > Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>>
>> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
>
>Indeed, but as pointed out by D
Brian Dessent, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 02:42:50 -0700, a écrit :
> > Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>
> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
Indeed, but as pointed out by DaveK2:
> Last I heard, setup.exe was not particularly friendly wrt scr
Hi,
DePriest, Jason R., le Wed 06 Jun 2007 14:22:30 -0500, a écrit :
> It seems that when you trace the requirements of brltty down, you end
> up with xorg, perl, and python packages getting installed.
Python dependency is only hard for compile-time. Brltty doesn't itself
use python. Only pytho
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 07 Jun 2007 03:24:45 +0800, a écrit :
> About the linux-utils dependency, it was needed in previous brltty
> revisions, but not any more, so I'll drop it.
You may want to update setup.hint from
http://brl.thefreecat.org/brltty/setup.hint
to fix them as soon as now without t
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 02:22:30PM -0500, DePriest, Jason R. wrote:
> On 6/6/07, Dave wrote:
>> Brian Dessent wrote:
>> > Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> >> Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>> >
>> > Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
>>
>> Last
On 6/6/07, Dave wrote:
Brian Dessent wrote:
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>
> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
Last I heard, setup.exe was not particularly friendly wrt screen readers
(cf. package select
Brian Dessent wrote:
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>
> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
Last I heard, setup.exe was not particularly friendly wrt screen readers
(cf. package selection). Hence the visually
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:26:54PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Jun 6 02:42, Brian Dessent wrote:
>> Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>
>> > Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>>
>> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
>
>Perhaps, but that does
On Jun 6 02:42, Brian Dessent wrote:
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> > Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
>
> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that an accessibility package doesn't
make sense in the Base cate
Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Mmm, because for a blind person this is a very basic package?
Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that most Cygwin users are blind.
> Are packages from the Base category automatically installed?
Yes, setup automatically selects everything in Base for installation,
which by d
Thorsten Kampe, le Wed 06 Jun 2007 09:33:04 +0100, a écrit :
> * Samuel Thibault (Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:08:31 +0800)
> > Version 3.8 of "brltty" has been uploaded.
> >
> > Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal.
> > Brltty is a background process (daemon) providing access to
* Samuel Thibault (Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:08:31 +0800)
> Version 3.8 of "brltty" has been uploaded.
>
> Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal.
> Brltty is a background process (daemon) providing access to the Windows
> Console for a blind person using a refreshable braille d
Version 3.8 of "brltty" has been uploaded.
Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal.
Brltty is a background process (daemon) providing access to the Windows
Console for a blind person using a refreshable braille display.
If you have questions or comments, please send them
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