Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

DeepMind has published a number of papers on how to stabilize RL strategies in a landscape of nontransitive cycles. See https://papers.nips.cc/paper/2018/file/cdf1035c34ec380218a8cc9a43d438f9-Paper.pdf I haven't fully digested the paper, but what I'm getting from it is that if you want your evalua

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

> ladders, not just liberties. In that case, yes! If you outright tell the > neural net as an input whether each ladder works or not (doing a short > tactical search to determine this), or something equivalent to it, then the > net will definitely make use of that information, ... Each convolution

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

The primary purpose of a rating system is to predict the results of future games accurately (this is the usual axiom, at least). In a one-dimensional rating system, such as Elo, where each player's skill is represented by a single number, it is impossible to have a (non-wacky) system where A is ex

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

also frankly not a problem for a rating system to handle. a rating system shouldn't be tweaked to handle eccentricities of its players other than the general assumptions of how a game's result is determined (like, does it allow for "win" and "draw" and "undetermined" or just "win"). s. On Fri,

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

@Claude - Oh, sorry, I misread your message, you were also asking about ladders, not just liberties. In that case, yes! If you outright tell the neural net as an input whether each ladder works or not (doing a short tactical search to determine this), or something equivalent to it, then the net wil

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi Claude - no, generally feeding liberty counts to neural networks doesn't help as much as one would hope with ladders and sekis and large capturing races. The thing that is hard about ladders has nothing to do with liberties - a trained net is perfectly capable of recognizing the atari, this is

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 3:45 AM Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > This kind of joseki is not good for Zero type. Ladder and capturing > race are intricately combined. In AlphaGo(both version of AlphaGoZero > and Master) published self-matches, this joseki is rare. > -

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 8:08 AM Rémi Coulom wrote: > You are right that non-determinism and bot blind spots are a source of > problems with Elo ratings. I add randomness to the openings, but it is > still difficult to avoid repeating some patterns. I have just noticed that > the two wins of Crazy

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi. Maybe it's a newbie question, but since the ladders are part of the well defined topology of the goban (as well as the number of current liberties of each chain of stone), can't feeding those values to the networks (from the very start of the self teaching course) help with large shichos an

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi David, You are right that non-determinism and bot blind spots are a source of problems with Elo ratings. I add randomness to the openings, but it is still difficult to avoid repeating some patterns. I have just noticed that the two wins of CrazyStone-81-15po against LZ_286_e6e2_p400 were caused

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, The most noticeable case of this is with Mi Yuting's flying dagger joseki. I'm not familiar with this. I found Hirofumi Ohashi 6d pro's explanation half year ago in HCCL ML. The following is a quote. - https://gokifu.net/t2.php?s=

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

One tricky thing is that there are some major nonlinearities between different bots early in the opening that break Elo model assumptions quite blatantly at these higher levels. The most noticeable case of this is with Mi Yuting's flying dagger joseki. I've noticed for example that in particular m

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Thanks for computing the new rating list. I feel it did not fix anything. The old Zen, cronus, etc.have almost no change at all. So it is not a good fix, in my opinion. No need to change anything to the official ratings. The fundamental problem seems that the Elo rating model is too wrong for th

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, This is original BayesElo. I updated manually. This is latest. http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html CrazyStone-18.044065 CrazyStone-81b-TiV 4032 Zen-15.7-3c1g 3999 CrazyStone-57-TiV 3618 This renames CrazyStone-57-TiV to CrazyStone-18.04. http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x1

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

I checked, and CrazyStone-57-TiV is using the same neural network and hardware as CrazyStone-18.04. Batch size, cuDNN version, and time management heuristics may have changed, but I expect that strength should be almost identical. CrazyStone-57-TiV may be a little stronger. So it seems that the ra

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, The Elo statistical model is wrong when different kind of programs play against I have a similar experience. I calculated Japanese Shogi women pro rating before. The strongest woman, Ichiyo Shimizu, her rating is 1578 Elo. Her winrate against men pros is 18%(163 games), and against women p

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

It's a relative ranking versus who you actually get to play against. Sparsity of actual skill will lead to that kind of clumping. The only way that a rating could meaningfully climb by playing gnugo or your direct peers is going to happen exponentially slowly -- you'd need to lose to gnugo twice

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, Thanks to you for taking care of CGOS. I have just connected CrazyStone-57-TiV. It is not identical, but should be similar to the old CrazyStone-18.04. CrazyStone-18.04 was the last version of my program that used tensorflow. CrazyStone-57 is the first neural network that did not use tensorfl

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Remi, This has latest 19x19.pgn and some tools to make bayes.html. http://www.yss-aya.com/20210112cgos_bin.tar.bz2 I got these tools from Joshua Shriver. Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita Hi Hiroshi, I tried to compile my old code, but it turns out to be a bit too complicated because it was us

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Hiroshi, I tried to compile my old code, but it turns out to be a bit too complicated because it was using tensorflow. I am not using tensorflow any more, and don't want to try to reinstall and recompile it. But I would like to try to take a look at the data. Can I download it anywhere? Can you

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Hiroshi, Thanks for your work. In both lists CrazyStone-18.04 is ahead of CrazyStone-81-TitV, which is really completely wrong. I will reconnect CrazyStone-18.04 soon. It may help to adjust things a little bit. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Comp

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi, Deleting losing on time games, and deleting losing on time games and same program matches are follows. 19x19 BayesElo (deleting losing on time games) http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes_20210109_del_timeout.html 19x19 BayesElo (deleting losing on time games and same program matches) htt

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Remi, I agree with you losing on time against weak program is bad effect for ratings. And I think same program matches with different playouts, like 400 playouts vs 800 playouts are worse. There are too many Leela Zero vs Leela Zero, and recently KataGo vs KataGo. Maybe for human, current top

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

by the way, i'm watching LZ get killed in the early game by something called hd? who is that? at the end it's all fairly sloppy (this only based upon 3-4 games i've watched), but hd seems to have a strong opening comparatively. s. On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:04 AM, David Wu wrote: > Awesome! >

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

Awesome! I was going to complain that the color scheme had not enough contrast between the white stones and the background (at least on my desktop, it was hard to see the white stones clearly), and then I discovered the settings menu already lets you change the background color. Cool! :) On Wed,

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

This is really well done. Thanks, Steve On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > Hi, > > CGOS 19x19 Real-time game viewer is available. > https://deepleela.com/cgos > > Thank you for author of DeepLeela site. > DeepLeela logins as a Viewer, and dispatches to thier clients.

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

Hi, I have some data. CGOS is 19x19. CGOSKGS Botname Time Aya788d_p1v0_6c12t 32356d AyaMC1min + 15sec x10 Aya786m_4c 29654d AyaMC4 1min + 15sec x10 AyaF128_507_ro_1k 27363d AyaBotD1 10min + 30sec x5 Aya786l_10k 26752d A

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

GNU Go is now rated at 5k on KGS, having spent about a month at 4k. This version is running a single thread on my rather old desktop. Nick On 27 June 2016 at 21:04, Hideki Kato wrote: > GNU Go has 1800 Elo on cgos and is ranked from 8 to 6 kyu on KGS. > Zen v11.8 has 3420 on cgos using 2 cores

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

GNU Go has 1800 Elo on cgos and is ranked from 8 to 6 kyu on KGS. Zen v11.8 has 3420 on cgos using 2 cores and 8-core version is ranked 8d (blitz) on KGS. The difference must be about 200 Elo. Probably Aya (and HiraBot?) also have two numbers. #Note that the time settings are different for cgo

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

Hi Detlef, 2 cent from an outsider: "Detlef Schmicker" > ... I am still fighting with resigning in the case of > value-network and playouts disagree, ... Might such positions be interesting starting points when looking for solutions for the discrepancies? In general, positions where programs

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Joshua Shriver wrote: > Thank you so much for running CGOS! Looks like it's running very > smoothly and you are doing a great job. > Yes! Thanks again. It’s great to have 9x9 and 19x19 versions again with some strong bots playing. Great to see that everyone is

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

015 11:17 AM > To: computer-go@computer-go.org > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again > > BTW, CrazyStone-0002 (on 19x19, not 9x9) is running on my desktop PC (i7- > 5930K). At first, it was running with 4 cores. But then it lost its first > game to Aya. I was so impressed by the st

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

confidence, but still CS is big wall. But I have another idea for UEC cup :-) Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again BTW, CrazyStone-0002 (on 19x19, not 9x9) is running on my

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

BTW, CrazyStone-0002 (on 19x19, not 9x9) is running on my desktop PC (i7-5930K). At first, it was running with 4 cores. But then it lost its first game to Aya. I was so impressed by the strength of Aya! So I made it use 6 threads instead. It has been using 6 threads since then. I can't run it

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

s, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" To: Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel(R)

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

running by Fukumoto-san, and they make a move without search. > > Regards, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > ----- Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again > > >> Hi Hiroshi, >>

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Hi Remi, running "mm 1 1" instead of just "mm". It just estimates the maximum-likelihood value of drawelo by itself. Or just set drawelo to 20 I tried. CrazyStone-0002 Elo changed a bit on each setting. It looks difficult. So I set drawelo 20. Elo

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

ata by Fukumoto-san, author of HiraBot. Both bot are running by Fukumoto-san, and they make a move without search. Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" To: Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again H

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

day, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz I plan to let it play forever. I noticed the game gets blocked for a

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS boardspace

On 11/19/2015 05:46 AM, Joshua Shriver wrote: I did a restart of the 9x9 and 19x19 as a test. Anyone mind testing it to see if you can connect? I connected two bots to cgos.boardspace.net:6867 but no games are starting and the page http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/standings.html does not upda

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

short game > cycle makes big sqlite3 db. It is not good for server. > Anyway I will run CGOS at least for a year. > > Hiroshi Yamashita > > - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Comp

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

émi Coulom" To: Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz I plan to let it play forever.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz I plan to let it play forever. I noticed the game gets blocked for a long time when Aya resigns. I suppose that may be on purpose.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Very cool, thank you! I will see if I can start running my bot on there soon. Urban On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > Hi, > > I have started CGOS on my VPS(Virtual Private Server). > 19x19 and 9x9 are running. > In 9x9, komi is 7.0. Draw is 0.5 win in rating calc. > I

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks a lot, mine did not run stable, hope you have more luck! I think I had to little RAM (128MB) Detlef Am 10.11.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Hiroshi Yamashita: > Hi, > > I have started CGOS on my VPS(Virtual Private Server). 19x19 and > 9x9 are r

Re: [Computer-go] cgos 9x9

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://blog.physik.de/?page_id=788 should be up again, sorry when I took my comuter to the olympiad in Leiden (which was a great event) it changed the dyndns ip to leiden :( Detlef Am 03.07.2015 um 20:33 schrieb Olivier Teytaud: > Hello; we would li

Re: [Computer-go] cgos 9x9

It's on my agenda. Just finished moving 1/2 across country so I'll have time again to work on CGOS. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > After my ISP crashed, I do not get up 9x9 at the moment. > Immediatly myCtest tries to connect from within the middle of a game i > think and DODs the server…. They try to re-connet once a minute … I stopped them now. Christoph "Once

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After my ISP crashed, I do not get up 9x9 at the moment. Immediatly myCtest tries to connect from within the middle of a game i think and DODs the server Am 26.05.2015 um 18:56 schrieb Christoph Birk: > On 05/26/2015 02:41 AM, Detlef Schmicker w

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'd like to add the bayes rating to 9x9 and 19x19 intermediate server (physik.selfhost.eu:8080) and wonder, if the bayeselo scripts for go are around some where? I did not find them in the original cgos source code:( Detlef Am 23.05.2015 um 17

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On 05/26/2015 02:41 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- it should be up nearly 24/7 I hope and use less than 5W electrical power, until the sd card is full :) Thank you, Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@c

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, I moved it to an old Nokia N800 tablet (I was bored, and did not have an idea to improve my bot:) The anchor is not running on the tablet, since I was afraid of it loosing on time, if a opponent plays a lot of moves (gnugo on 9x9 takes about 10s

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

> > 24/7 is only useful, if other than open source bots are run on the > > server, otherwise the author can run it simply on gomill... > > While I agree that it is not ideal having so few programs running, > shutting down the server is even worse, or not? If it runs stable for a while, people wil

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On May 23, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > 24/7 is only useful, if other than open source bots are run on the > server, otherwise the author can run it simply on gomill... While I agree that it is not ideal having so few programs running, shutting down the server is even worse, or n

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 24/7 is only useful, if other than open source bots are run on the server, otherwise the author can run it simply on gomill... Last week only Aya_50 and Amigo was run on 13x13 24/7 cgos.boardspace.net Am 22.05.2015 um 23:14 schrieb Christoph Birk

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On May 22, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > I wonder, if it would help to put it up once a week or so, with announcement, > and take it down again, if the number of bots falls below 5 or so? I am not actively developing a bot, but IMHO without being up 24/7 CGOS is not very useful.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

OK, it was up for about 3 weeks now for 9x9, 19x19 and 25x25 (with a gnugo anchor running all the time on every boardsize), with very few short breaks (I had to reboot my system due to using a MIDI keyboard:) I am not sure, if the bots reconnected automatically, or if the authors reconnected

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

BTW what version of Linux are you using? Know CGOS is heavily dependant on x64 systems. Mostly due to library issues. -Josh On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > Hi, > > I really did not do a lot: > > mainly I run make in the server directory, and got an error message that

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Aye sqlite is nice but quirky at times. Planning to use MySQL in my own version. Thanks for the snapshot! -Josh On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > Hi, > > I really did not do a lot: > > mainly I run make in the server directory, and got an error message that the > sqlit

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Hi, I really did not do a lot: mainly I run make in the server directory, and got an error message that the sqlite version did not match (after trying to start or imediatly, I do not remember) cgos.vfs/lib/sqlite3/pkgIndex.tcl:package ifneeded sqlite3 3.3.5 this line had 3.3.4 now I start

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Also how good are you and un-tcl packing and rebuilding? Would LOVE to have native packages with the cgos.computergo.org hard coded if possible. Anyway would love to work with you. Side note, any OS X people here willing in the future to make OS X client/view compiles from the future github? If w

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Would you be willing to help me revitalize cgos.computergo.org? I can even give you ssh access. This we your server can sit on a dedicated IP/domain and we can kinda refresh things a bit and have a clean work/server space. Just let me know. -Josh I'm still curious how you got around the myriad

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

8084 for 25x25 with GnuGo 3.8 as ELO 1800 anachor is up for a while now :) 9x9 too, (13x13 I will not set up, original cgos is running fine on 13x13) Detlef Am 02.05.2015 um 07:21 schrieb Detlef Schmicker: Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal o

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

So that bad players are not getting 0 elo. On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 11:59:17AM +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Baseline for worst play? Why? > > Paris Hilton?? > Op 2 mei 2015 11:42 schreef "folkert" : > > > I'm running parishilton it now so that you have a baseline for the > > worst play. > >

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Baseline for worst play? Why? Paris Hilton?? Op 2 mei 2015 11:42 schreef "folkert" : > I'm running parishilton it now so that you have a baseline for the > worst play. > > On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 07:21:05AM +0200, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I set up a CGOS server at home. It is conne

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

I'm running parishilton it now so that you have a baseline for the worst play. On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 07:21:05AM +0200, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > Hi, > > I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not > optimal of cause :( > > physik.selfhost.eu > > Ports: > 8080 (web

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, Thanks! I could start Aya. http://physik.selfhost.eu:8080/19x19/standings.html By the way, different winrates against aya_1k and fuego_10k or pachi_10k, This seems it was just unlucky against pachi and fuego. I stop them. Thank yo

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

OK, I will not set bayeselo for now, happy if basics are working:) No, I did not change anything but the version number of sqlite3 (from 3.3.4 to 3.3.5 or so), the version offered by ubuntu 12.04 Only changed the directories in the cgos19.cfg and used SQLite Browser to open the cgos.state da

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Forgot to mention there is another table called anchors. Basically it just has gnugo and set to (1800?) if memory serves. This gets used in bayeselo for comparison calculations. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://comp

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

If you're using the github source for CGOS, (Don's) CGOS uses an external program. Basically dumps all games from the database, runs bayeselo takes results and pushes back to the sqlite for the "official rating". But it doesn't seem to always work or update properly and if the DB gets messed up on

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Great, for the mean time: Do you have an idea, how the bayeselo rating is produced? My cgos source does not seem to include it? The archives are probably a hand made script?! Detlef Am 02.05.2015 um 09:25 schrieb Joshua Shriver: Working on it :) On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Detlef Schmi

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Working on it :) On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > Thanks for connecting! > > Am 02.05.2015 um 08:11 schrieb remi.cou...@free.fr: >> >> Great! Thanks for your efforts. I have just connected Crazy Stone, and it >> seems to be working. >> >> My favorite setting would be 9x9

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Thanks for connecting! Am 02.05.2015 um 08:11 schrieb remi.cou...@free.fr: Great! Thanks for your efforts. I have just connected Crazy Stone, and it seems to be working. My favorite setting would be 9x9 with 7-point komi. But unfortunately, I believe CGOS does not support jigo. Would be great

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Great! Thanks for your efforts. I have just connected Crazy Stone, and it seems to be working. My favorite setting would be 9x9 with 7-point komi. But unfortunately, I believe CGOS does not support jigo. Would be great if it did. Rémi - Mail original - De: "Detlef Schmicker" À: compu

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On May 1, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not > optimal of cause :( Great, I will try to run ‘myctest’ on Monday, Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@com

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Hi, e.g. Aya783a_50 (is it 50 playouts?! seems to slow for that or running Yes it is 50 playouts, and It waits 4sec per move. Also gnugo anchor uses 4 sec wait. Without wait, gnugo spends a lot of cpu time when there are only short thinking programs. I also run pachi, mogo and fuego 10k. I wi

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > Hi, I just started playing on 13x13 again, very busy :) > It is you that's running all the strong bots? If so, thank you! My second copy of GnuGo had reached an ELO rating of almost 1900 these last days, but now it's back down to almost 1

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Hi, I just started playing on 13x13 again, very busy :) One feature request: give the programmer the chance, to add some information to the bot (in the configuration file?!): e.g. Aya783a_50 (is it 50 playouts?! seems to slow for that or running on an old mobile :) Detlef Am 06.04.2015 um

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Hi! I think Detlef is thinking right about it - if I had the time to work on CGOS, I would look at reusing whatever is done already in the area of having programs play against each other, and extending that with literally just networking + userdb + rating + autopairing + webreports. Gogui (

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

C# is a nice language, but for anything open-source, the fact that it was created by Microsoft kind of 'taints' it. Which is not to say that java is very untainted these days, being owned by Oracle... From a practical point of view, java does most things that C# does, with a few obvious exception

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

This sounds like a good idea and I haven't ruled out Java, but not the biggest fan. But would rather do it in Java than say C. I was leaning toward C# since it's a very popular and portable language. The code would be portable among Win/Lin/OS X heck even Android/iOS (for viewer) due to Xamarin.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

What about just start the project on github or https://bitbucket.org/ (is not bad at forking and merging) Open an issue for the discussion and off we go:) When I was thinking of a quick solution I was thinking about gogui, which supports most of the game handling already. http://gogui.source

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Joshua, I think you should just pick the language(s) that keep YOU motivated. The only hard requirement seems to be that you need the clients to work on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X. A web framework seems to exist in every language these days so that doesn't really narrow down the selection. I

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

And using a clearly defined http web server protocol, probably built around json, and then the clients will take care of themselves: all modern languages, except C/C++, come with a good web client library, and a good json library. Just hand out a helper C library, perhaps with a C++ wrapper API.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Is anyone else bothered the line endings of cgos messages are being transformed, which makes everything mash onto one long line on my mail reader ? ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Agree as well. But would like to offer both options. Planning to use github and make it 100% open source. -Josh On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Christoph Birk wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:40 AM, folkert wrote: My goal is to move away from interpreted languages and release SOLID

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:40 AM, folkert wrote: >>> My goal is to move away from interpreted languages and release SOLID >>> .exe or bin for unices. >> >> Are you talking about servers or clients there? > > For clients, PLEASE do not release binaries, release sources. No sane > linux user installs r

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

> I disagree with that. Why does it suck? (Getting a bit OT for computer-go, so I replied off-list; if anyone was following the conversation, and wants to be CC-ed let me know.) Darren ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://com

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> > BTW I am a Linux guy true and true since 1994. But I am DAMN tempted > > to write it in C#. > > I use mono on linux [1], and c# is an OK language for this kind of > thing. RestSharp is an interesting library for web service *clients*, > but of course you are writing a server. > > Lots of C++

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

> BTW I am a Linux guy true and true since 1994. But I am DAMN tempted > to write it in C#. I use mono on linux [1], and c# is an OK language for this kind of thing. RestSharp is an interesting library for web service *clients*, but of course you are writing a server. Lots of C++ programmers on

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

>It's easy to get 20+ ppl saying OMG I want to help. But I need at >least 1-2 more core devs outside me, especially if I'm working in a >language outside my zone. All I can say is, if you need 1-2 outside collaborators, you better have a plan B. Everyone dances to their own tune, and no one wa

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

The desire for a compiled language with a web and Linux affinity and a spec short enough to actually understand basically describes the motivation of Go(lang) (http://golang.org/), doesn't it? (As if this subject didn't have enough puns...) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Igor Polyakov wrote: >

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

C++ is not simple at all. It's probably the biggest language out there with the most caveats. On 2015-04-03 0:13, folkert wrote: Please write it in something common. If you target linux I think it is unusual to target .net. Why not just c++? Proven technology, simple to write in. On Thu, Apr 0

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Please write it in something common. If you target linux I think it is unusual to target .net. Why not just c++? Proven technology, simple to write in. On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 09:02:09PM -0400, Joshua Shriver wrote: > BTW I greatly appreciate all the input! and put in TODO.txt > > Since I do plan

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

I would totally participate if it was written in Haskell. The benefit is that it releases an .exe and it has web frameworks and DB stuff already written in it. Languages like Rust are not mature enough, while C++ is not safe enough. C# and Java of course compile to bytecode and not native. On

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

This is correct. The ELO ratings are based upon assuming Gnugo 3.7.3 has a rating of 1800 as an anchor. To generate new ratings it simply dumps all the games and runs bayeselo on all the games adjusting the rating on the gnugo games. -Josh On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Detlef Schmicker wr

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

Hi, As far as remember, old CGOS anchor were 9x9 FatMan ... Hideki Kato 13x13 Gnugo-3.7.10-a4 ... Hideki Kato 19x19 Gnugo-3.7.10-a1 ... Hiroshi Yamashita And I tried to run Gnugo-3.7.10-a1 in 13x13 with same password, it looks running as an anchor luckly. I will keep it running for a

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

I had a look into the sourced of cgos server. If I understand them correctly, one must put the anchors directly into the database. The sources do not seem to have a configuration option for this?! As the old database is used, as far as I understood it, person running the anchors years ago cou

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

You are right, I too often read 3.7 in the past, but actually the papers using 3.8 now:) Am 17.01.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Urban Hafner: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Detlef Schmicker > wrote: Seems a good idea to me. It is a quasi standard in publishing, so wh

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