And to increase the presumptuous factor:
The alternators that were supplied as original equipment with most small boat
engines until recently were from 35 - 55 A with internal, single voltage output
regulators. A good percentage of the engines were destined for use in small
motor vessels and th
Wow. You guys have gone deep with the power consumption and recharging
principles. You have open my eyes to a big project moving forward. Keep in
mind my wife and I will not need much power. Bet you have heard that before
from people starting out. HAHAh. Well wet me see what it looks like.
1) AM/F
Nigel Calders book has a list.
Joel
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, Curtis wrote:
> Wow. You guys have gone deep with the power consumption and recharging
> principles. You have open my eyes to a big project moving forward. Keep in
> mind my wife and I will not need much power. Bet you have hea
Is this a good calculator
http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/marinesizing.php
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Curtis wrote:
> Wow. You guys have gone deep with the power consumption and recharging
> principles. You have open my eyes to a big project moving forward. Keep in
> mind my wife and I w
I have one Curtis. I'll send it along later today.
Rich
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:19, Curtis wrote:
>
> In doing my research hoping to find a Energy Budget work sheet in excel
> format. This way I could plug in the cost of each of my power using pieces
> and see what it comes up with.
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Thanks'
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:
> I have one Curtis. I'll send it along later today.
>
> Rich
>
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:19, Curtis wrote:
>
> In doing my research hoping to find a Energy Budget work sheet in excel
> format. This way I could plug in the cost of eac
Hi Rich
I am not sure what my alternator output rating is but my ammeter never shows
more than 60 and even that is not for long as it settles out to between 15
and 30 fairly quickly, like after a a minute of steaming. If I switch from
one battery bank to the other during steaming I can sometim
Rich;
Thanks for the comments on the alternator. You’re right that generation
capacity is an important consideration depending on how you cruise.
My cruising is coastal, along the ICW with engine on at least half the time,
then long periods at anchor. I’ve decided that my engine alternato
When I "re-alternatored" my boat with a smart charger etc. I sized the
alternator so as to not put too much drag on the engine. I sized my at 80 amp
for a 33 hp diesel. I estimate I lose 3hp when full on charging. Any more,
and you start losing, in my opinion, too much HP.
David F. Risch
198
Excellent comments Rich.
I would add that one needs to confirm that the power take off available for
driving a proposed larger alternator can handle the increased load. This is
especially true for engines where the power take off is through a gear train,
and not directly off one end of the cra
allen, Hi,
I have the "Cold Machine" [Adler/Barbour] in my 30. It's air cooled, and I've
had no problems with it in the 10+ years I've owned Siren Song.
It was installed by PO.
It is located under the port settee, directly in front of the galley sink.
It's vented on the right just above sol
Dwight;
Rich and I were addressing the power systems for a boat used for long term
live aboard cruising. IIRC you are on a dock and use your boat for daysails
and the occasional weekend or vacation cruise. For than situation, the OEM
alternator is just fine.
Starting your engine draws somew
So here's a dumb question?
If I'm on shore power is just my battery charger and the DC outlets using
shore power or can I run the cabin lights and radio on the DC system? and
if so how?
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Rick Brass wrote:
> Dwight;
>
>
>
> Rich and I were addressing the power sy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Rick Brass wrote:
> I bet Fred Street still thinks about how much nicer than Minnesota Mexico
> would be in the winter.
Ummm… yeah, particularly this year…
http://brainerddispatch.com/weather/2013-12-15/coldest-december-stretch-41-years
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
The drive belt is as much a limiting factor as anything else. I've been using
an adapted Delco 105A alternator for at least 12 years with no bad outcomes to
my Yanmar 3QM30 other than a new belt every year or so. Also I seldom see the
charge rate exceed 70A.
Rich
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:18,
Also remember that putting a huge alternator on a diesel like ours can present
excessive side-loading to the shaft bearings, reducing their life. So try to
size appropriately for your battery bank AND engine hp. Going too big can be
bad for your engine.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis
One thing I did when I installed my SeaFrost air-cooled unit was vent it
into the hanging locker just forward of the galley. It makes a great place
to hang and dry foul weather gear. Every time I pull a nice dry jacket out
of the locker, I am reminded of just how clever I am! It offsets all the
oth
To add to the mix, any Atomic-4 powered boat is running a 1:1 pulley ratio.
This results in a max of around 60-80 amps even if you add a 500 amp alternator
and no charging at all at idle. One project I have on the back burner is
fabbing a bracket to run off a crank pulley and get a better ratio.
Rick, I seem to remember that Curtis has a 30. He couldn't have near the needs
you do on your 38 or he would be all batteries in that smaller boat.
Gary
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-
Dang. Guess all the little fishes are getting their fins warmed around my boat.
Frigoboat Keel Cooler system….
Cheers,
Dave
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:
> One thing I did when I installed my SeaFrost air-cooled unit was vent it into
> the hanging loc
Yea My boat is small. No A/C no Refg / freezer no microwave. Ni Invert-er.
Just basic stuff.
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:
> Rick, I seem to remember that Curtis has a 30. He couldn't have near the
> needs you do on your 38 or he would be all batteries in that smaller b
If your boat is wired correctly, the battery charger feeds the battery and all
your DC loads will function exactly as normal.
I suggest you, and anyone else who doesn't have one, purchase a copy of Nigel
Calder's Boat Owners Mechanical and Electrical Manual. An excellent all round
resource.
I think it likely that, when attached to shore power, your permanently
installed battery charger is maintaining the batteries as the shore power is
providing power to any AC outlets you have. That's one of the reasons that
you need a battery charger with a "float" charge rate. Charging the
batterie
It's true that the space available for batteries is different, and adding
more capacity will be more difficult for Curtis. (And even on the 38, the
locker under my quarter berth was big enough for all 5 batteries in my 2
banks - though not deep enough for the GC5 batteries I had wanted to install
-
Fred, I feel for you. I lived for 7 years in Bismarck, ND - where a good
warm day in January is about 5 below.
But any tears I shed would be crocodile tears. I love Minneapolis/St. Paul
but I'm not sure that even last night's lottery winners would have enough
money to get me to move back to the
Thanks for all the great feedback, sounds as though I only have a cosmetic
issue with the crack to deal with. As I am only going cruising for four months
I'll probably just leave it.
As for having bought Outrider, I have had her since 07. Contemplated selling
her for a while - if you are reefin
I asked them about that when we had them to dinner several years back. Really.
They were in Minneapolis for a seminar I helped organize. Great people.
They still use oil-based nav and anchor lights. Larry’s pretty adamant about
being a “purist” on his hand-built wooden boats. They also stil
I forgot I do have pressurized fresh water. But its not heated. An what I
was fingering out is that C&C 30MK1 will be o.k for the first summer? and
she the Admiral will want to move up to a bigger more equipped boat for
extended cruising. This would be a great boat to learn on and then move to
a
Yeah, I have to admit I didn't get my power consumption estimates
right. It worked out okay when I had high capacity Trojans on board,
but these Mexican golf cart batteries have about half the capacity,
which means a daily recharging regimen. And, of course, it doesn't help
that I discovered
Yes, that surprised me too, I think that was back in June and I don't
remember the daytime temps but nights can be chilly around here in June,
probably was cold and rainy for a few days, otherwise I would have been down
on the boat and turned things off sooner. I like spending sunny afternoon
time
I have an X-5 wheelpilot on my 35/3. It is the predecessor to the current
model. Install was straightforward despite a 75 page manual. Integration
with my plotter was easy with NMEA 2000. I did it with no help and no
prior experience. Total time was 12 hours, but if I had help (or fewer
wires
Fred,
Were you in MPLS the year in the mid to late sixties when the entire month of
JAN was below zero?
Coldest day was 39 below with a number in the 20 below range.
Ice boaters couldn't even play on some of those days; skates wouldn't slide
well.
Ron
Wild Cheri
On Wednesday, December 18, 20
Same result with the X-5 on my 35/2. But I see the same behavior when I am
steering myself: it's so easy to keep on course going up wind or close
reaching - the boat practically sails itself. But on a broad reach or straight
downwind, especially with waves, it takes constant attention. So I
I don't think that is normal stuff on a 35MKII, at least not on mine
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Sent: December 18, 2013 1:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raised floor boards [was Crack where keel meets
I have a quiet 2000 Honda generator...it's not that small
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Bryant
Sent: December 18, 2013 2:27 PM
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Yeah, I have to ad
When my 76 model 38 was on the hard for an 18 month refit/upgrade I did not
notice any problems with the cabin sole. I did, however, discover it isn't a
good idea to leave the back stay tensioned when the boat is out of the
water.
Perhaps your yard is putting more weight on the keel than appropria
Some flexing is normal. Sometimes the doors stop latching...that type of
stuff. I've never heard of the floors moving. I would pull the floor
boards just to be sure thing are ok.
Josh
On Dec 18, 2013 12:45 PM, "Peter" wrote:
> Thanks for all the great feedback, sounds as though I only have a
When one puts a boat on the hard, there's several things to consider.
* Locating the stands on bulkheads so you don't depress/deform the hull
* Leveling the boat so the cockpit drains (some cockpits drain forward,
some aft)
* Achieving a good balance of weight on keel vs
Have you had a survey. That kinda sounds like the type of flex you might
expect if the hull delaminated or had a rotting core. For your sake, I
hope not. Better to find out now than when you're taking a beating and
things go real bad.
Josh
On Dec 18, 2013 12:45 PM, "Peter" wrote:
> Thanks fo
Sent it before finishing.
I continue.
Balancing the weight between keel and stands is subject for debate.
Conventional wisdom says nearly all the weight should be on the keel with the
stands just for holding the boat upright.
I like a bit more weight on the stands as long as they're on
Also
Check the stands regularly and adjust as required if the ground freezes and
thaws where you store your boat
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Sent: December 18, 2013 3:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raised fl
Peter,
Are the boards warped from drying out or is the hull distorted? Also, are the
boards the large piece plywood type or the solid teak strips with gaps to allow
water to drain into the bilge? (I have seen both in a 39)
Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
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Ron — I’ve lived here all my life, so since late 1959. So yes, I apparently
survived that winter (although I don’t particularly remember it per se…), as
well as many subsequent ones. How about early winter 1982, when we got 36” of
snow in an afternoon/evening? Or the year in the early 70’s wh
Just been reading my original C&C manual from 1977. (It’s in amazing good
condition for 36 years old!)
Says in there to put “at least 60% of the weight of the yacht on the keel”.
…and not to “put weight on the keel further aft than the last keel bolt.
Extreme aft tip of the keel is very thin”.
You'll need a really big fisherman's scale to attach to the lift straps!
Joel
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, wrote:
> Just been reading my original C&C manual from 1977. (It’s in amazing
> good condition for 36 years old!)
> Says in there to put “at least 60% of the weight of the yacht on t
Good question, Sam.
A REALLY good yard would have a scale Maybe they could use the scale on
their Travelift??? I may have to ask my yard.
I use Pensacola Shipyard and I always thought they were first rate. No
discussion of weight distribution. Before haulout, they show me a picture of a
Some Travellifts have integral scales, so they could lower it onto the
blocks until the scales read 40 percent of the original weight, and then
place the jack stands.
Note that the scales may not be calibrated accurately, or the operator
may not really know how to use them. One time I had a tr
My Autohelm 7000 shocked me when it held a great course in short 10'-12'
quartering seas on a run from Block to Buzzards Bay.
My conclusion is that If the auto is set up right (underdeck) it should handle
a variety of conditions.
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
> From: efr
was docked next to them in victoria bc a few years agonever saw them
actually pluged in to shore power..they are truly self sufficient
appeared most happy without all electrical junk on boats today..do
we really need refrigeration pressure hot water radar ...hand held gps is
nice
40% of a boat's weight on stands? That might work for center console but sounds
too high for a keelboat. I read somewhere that the keel should support 80 to
90% of hull weight and the stands 10 to 20%. That makes sense to me as the lead
keel is already half the weight of the whole boat, and you
ProMariner sent me a replacement battery charger a short while back - ProNautic
12250c3. Turns out I don't need it. Still in the delivery box, never opened.
Looking for a good home at a decent price:
http://www.remybattery.com/ProMariner-ProNautic-1250-C3-Battery-Charger-P3397.aspx
Any interest
I dunno, you're probably right. I think he said his owner's manual said
that a minimum of 60% of the weight should be on the keel.
Chuck S wrote:
40% of a boat's weight on stands?
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I have a Hillerange 3 burner propane stove. Occasionally one burner will
leak gas and subsequent fire around the shaft that controls burner heat
where it enters the burner assembly . I only see this happening after it
begins to melt the inside of the control knob. I am looking for
suggestions wh
Fred — you’ll probably need to replace the valve assembly, if that’s still
possible. Try here:
http://www.suremarineservice.com/Seaward-Propane--LPG--Range-Parts.aspx
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:41 PM,
A quote from the C&C 37+ Owner's Manual:
14.2 Cradle Support
When hauling on a marine railway or placing the yacht in its storage
cradle, at least 60% of
the weight of the yacht should be on the keel. The hull supports should not
bear more than
30% to 40% of the weight of the yacht, otherwise, str
Wow Ken,
There it is
". . . at least 60% of the weight of the yacht should be on the keel. The hull
supports should not bear more than 30% to 40% of the weight of the yacht."
The owners manual statement sets limits. Note, there is no maximum stated for
the keel and no minimum stated for the "
Peter;
I'm planning a rewiring of my AC system before long, and that might include
updating my old Xantrex 40 amp charger. Let me know off list how much you
want for the ProMariner charger?
Rick Brass
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Don't you guys have different boats.+37 and 34Rwould that make
any difference...just wondering?
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2013/12/18 9:48 PM, Chuck S wrote:
Wow Ken,
There it is
". . . at least 60% of the weight of the yacht should be on the keel.
The hull support
Ok folks here's one I hope sparks a fury of conversation.
My boat is outfitted almost entirely with the original fresh water
plumbing, "qest" grey tubing and compression fittings. I have heard that
it is an accident waiting to happen. That it used to be used for homes
and is now no longer avail
You should rip it all out and replace it with titanium fittings, otherwise
your boat will sink immediately. Like this century, or so.
On 18 December 2013 21:36, Josh Muckley wrote:
> Ok folks here's one I hope sparks a fury of conversation.
>
> My boat is outfitted almost entirely with the orig
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