Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-18 Thread David via CnC-List
From: CnC-List on behalf of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake Or, you can chicken jibe, something I believe I will be doing more of in the future. Bill

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-18 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
echt Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake Since I posted this, I have been doing some research on Cruisers Forum. THere are a number of people who use the Dutchman, swear by them, have installed them on multiple boats and would not have a boat without one. I suspect it is on

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-18 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
Since I posted this, I have been doing some research on Cruisers Forum. THere are a number of people who use the Dutchman, swear by them, have installed them on multiple boats and would not have a boat without one. I suspect it is one of those devices that once you learn how to use it, you fin

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-17 Thread Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
Josh Muckley via > CnC-List > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 19:37 > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake > > In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth. I > always tend the mainsh

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-17 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth. I always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe. By tend I mean center the traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom. As the gybe occu

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-17 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List
I'm another who is leary of boom-brakes. They clutter the decks too much and I hate a mid boom preventer because it's so easy for them to break the boom in an accidental gybe or if the end of the boom gets dragged in the water--not something to worry about with IOR designed C&Cs like my old 40,

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-17 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth. I always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe. By tend I mean center the traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom. As the gybe occurs I quickly release the sheet. On multiple occasions I've seen main sails po

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-17 Thread Garry Cross via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bcc: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:55:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Mine goes form mid-boom to the toerail. I have never seen an end-boom preventer. I also have a boom brake device I need to rig up one of these days. It does not prevent a gybe, it just

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-17 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
An update - this is what Josh said already. Marek From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:40 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Actually, they (end boom preventers) do exist. Some people rig a

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-17 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
when the boom preventer is incorrectly rigged. Marek 1994 C270 "Legato" Ottawa, ON From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:55 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Mine goes form mid-b

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-17 Thread Stephen Thorne via CnC-List
David, in light winds yes .. it will serve purpose of reducing energy & injury, if you get hit with boom. In heavy winds... not so much, you would be badly injured or worse even w boom break. On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

2019-03-17 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
Thanks for all the info on preventers. I plan to use the advice to rig one when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises. This discussion also led me to look into boom brakes. I have always been concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a part

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Stephen Thorne via CnC-List
We used a boom break on DejaVu for offshore racing and it worked great. Its mid-boom attachment system however not so much a preventer as a break being applied (think driving your car) to slow down the energy of an accidental jibe. We used to do intentional jibes at speed with good winds knowing

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
When used to pull the genny clew out, that is indeed a barber hauler. From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer I keep a similar rig aboard my boat. I keep two lines with SS

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
I keep a similar rig aboard my boat. I keep two lines with SS carabiners in the end and I call them "barberhaulers" from some sailing book I read back in the 80's. They can be used to pull the genoa clew out to the toerail or as preventers attaching to a loop rigged on the boom to the vang fitti

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Mine goes form mid-boom to the toerail. I have never seen an end-boom preventer. I also have a boom brake device I need to rig up one of these days. It does not prevent a gybe, it just makes it sloow

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Touche' has a multipurpose line we use as an outboard sheet for the genoa and as a preventer. It's just a line with a snap shackle on one end. Our racing main is loose footed. We just wrap the line around the boom 2/3, 3/4 or so of the way out, take it to a snatch block on the toe rail then back

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List
: Stus-List Gybe preventer My Gybe preventer is simply a soft Vang taken to the toe rail. Works great and doesn't require any special rigging. Neil Andersen 1982 C&C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 _ From:

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
My rigger advised that a mid boom preventer can break the boom in a bad enough situation. My setup is difficult to explain but bear with me. To start, I have a metal eye projecting out of the boom where the main sheet attaches to the boom. To this eye I have cow hitched a small continuous loop of

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
As a follow-up, to gybe we simply disconnect the toe-rail shackle before gybing as normal. We usually shackle the toe rail end to the boom bail to keep the preventer temporarily out of the way for the gybe. If it’s blowing (which is when you really need a preventer), we sheet the main all the

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
I have a typical 4:1 tackle with snap shackles at both ends and a cam cleat where the line exits for adjustment (probably Schaefer, and I’m sure Garhauer makes something similar for less cost). One end snaps onto a boom bail that holds a block for the main sheet (aft of halfway, but not at the

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
rsen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of David Knecht via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Neil Gallagher via CnC-List
To add to the previous replies, I have a mid-boom preventer (think it came with the boat, it's old) that has two "clamp" devices that each fit around one side of the boom and have a lip that reaches down into the bolt rope slot on top of the boom.  They both are shackled to a 4:1 tackle that at

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
From:* CnC-List on behalf of David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Cc:* David Knecht *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer I have been thinking aobut rigging a preventer on my boat so re-read this old discussion of how people rig

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List
via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer I have been thinking aobut rigging a preventer on my boat so re-read this old discussion of how people rig them. End boom attachment sounds preferable, but

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2019-03-16 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
I have been thinking aobut rigging a preventer on my boat so re-read this old discussion of how people rig them. End boom attachment sounds preferable, but does that have to run outside the shrouds? If so, then you would have to rig it before letting the main out while you can stlill get to the

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-13 Thread Joel Aronson
2013, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:32:55 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer > > One thing I've seen on boats that run a lot or have high, long booms, is a

Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Bob Hickson
Some personal experience with a gybe preventer on my previous boat (Viking 28) During the Lake Ontario 300 (2010) we were sailing downwind in heavy seas (6 foot waves and high winds) I had a gybe preventer rigged from mid boom to the toe rail near the upper shrouds with the main on the port si

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread dreuge
requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:32:55 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer > > One thing I've seen on boats that run a lot or have high, long booms, is a > permanently rigged piece

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Dave Godwin
nc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Burton > Sent: May 10, 2013 12:33 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer > > One thing I've seen on boats that run a lot or have high, long booms, is a > permanently rigged piece of Dynema attached at th

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Steve Thomas
: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Dwight, For local conditions you are mostly good. In fact I just snap shackle my boom line to rail and adjust from boom when bopping around in relatively benign conditions. Its when you are offshore, or in heavy local conditions, when waves are piling up and the

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Joel Aronson
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:32:55 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer One thing I've seen on boats that run a lot or have high, long booms, is a permanently rigged piece of Dynema attached at the end of the boom and run forward to the a snap-shackle at the goos

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread David Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell) From: dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:45:53 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer I never thought of running the preventer all the way to the bow. On my 35 MKII which has a high aspect ratio ma

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Andrew Burton
and starboard to the bow and > back to cockpit winches. All lines, blocks are of stout sizing. Loads > can be enormous. > > That way in sloppy conditions you have a "controlled " jibe. > > David F. Risch > 1981 40-2 > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > ---

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread dwight veinot
: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer One thing I've seen on boats that run a lot or have high, long booms, is a permanently rigged piece of Dynema attached at the end of the boom and run forward to the a snap-shackle at the gooseneck. That way it's easy to ri

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread David Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell) From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:32:55 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer One thing I've seen on boats that run a lot or have high, long booms, is a permanently rigged piece of Dynema attached at the end of the

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Andrew Burton
sloppy conditions you have a "controlled " jibe. > > David F. Risch > 1981 40-2 > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > -- > From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:16:35 -0400 > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject:

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Gary Nylander
want the vang when sailing downwind, so have a separate preventer. Gary St. Michaels - Original Message - From: Joel Aronson To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Stus-List Gybe preventer The doctor who spoke at the Safety at Sea seminar

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR
keep each loop spread out along the boom... Just a thought. -Keith -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:57 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Gybe preventer The doctor who spoke at the Safety at Sea seminar said

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread David Risch
) 419-4650 (cell) From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:16:35 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Personally, I like to have one as close to the end of the boom as possible--all the way from the end to the bow, if I'm running. Think abou

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Andrew Burton
t; > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew > Burton > *Sent:* May 10, 2013 11:17 AM > *To:* **cnc-list@cnc

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread dwight veinot
Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton Sent: May 10, 2013 11:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer Personally, I like to have one as

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Rick Brass
der.com/website/?p=7 http://www.wichard.com/fiche-A%7CWICHARD%7C7150-02030300-ME.html Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Andrew Burton
Personally, I like to have one as close to the end of the boom as possible--all the way from the end to the bow, if I'm running. Think about the forces on the boom when the preventer stops an accidental gybe; they are not straight down, which is how the boom is strongest. The forces are more from t

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Wally Bryant
I put a bail on the end of my boom, so the preventer can be snapped on from the cockpit. It runs to a block forward and back to the cockpit. I'll wrap it around a cleat, but normally don't actually cleat it down because I want it to slip. If the boat rolls far enough for the boom to hit the

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Steve Thomas
defeats the purpose. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Gybe preventer The doctor who spoke at

Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Fred Hazzard
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Gybe preventer The doctor who spoke at the Safety at Sea seminar said the #1 thing you can do to prevent injury is to rig a gybe preventer. My mainsheet sheets mid-boom. I know you need a rope with stretch to ab

Stus-List Gybe preventer

2013-05-10 Thread Joel Aronson
The doctor who spoke at the Safety at Sea seminar said the #1 thing you can do to prevent injury is to rig a gybe preventer. My mainsheet sheets mid-boom. I know you need a rope with stretch to absorb shock. I was thinking of making a preventer as follows: Dyneema loop around the boom just aft o