Greg,
The 'C&C smile' is quite common. Mine had one when I bought the
boat. First place to start with that is torque the keel bolts to
their specs. I then sanded the smile to approx 3 inches above and
below it and wrapped the smile in West System epoxy soaked cloth.
Let cure and added
Greg,
The 'C&C smile' is quite common. Mine had one when I bought the
boat. First place to start with that is torque the keel bolts to
their specs. I then sanded the smile to approx 3 inches above and
below it and wrapped the smile in West System epoxy soaked cloth. Let
cure and added a
On 2021-08-04 11:03 a.m., Robert Abbott wrote:
Greg,
The 'C&C smile' is quite common. Mine had one when I bought the
boat. First place to start with that is torque the keel bolts to
their specs. I then sanded the smile to approx 3 inches above and
below it and wrapped the smile in West S
Greg,
The 'C&C smile' is quite common. Mine had one when I bought the boat.
First place to start with that is torque the keel bolts to their specs.
I then sanded the smile to approx 3 inches above and below it and
wrapped the smile in West System epoxy soaked cloth. Let cure and added
a
Greg,
The 'C&C smile' is quite common. Mine had one when I bought the
boat. First place to start with that is torque the keel bolts to
their specs. I then sanded the smile to approx 3 inches above and
below it and wrapped the smile in West System epoxy soaked cloth. Let
cure and added a
Greg,
The 'C&C smile' is quite common. Mine had one when I bought the boat.
First place to start with that is torque the keel bolts to their specs.
I then sanded the smile to approx 3 inches above and below it and
wrapped the smile in West System epoxy soaked cloth. Let cure and added
a se
Hi, I'm new here. I tried posting this a couple days ago, but I don't know
if it went through. I apologize if it did--I'm not trying to be
irritating.
I tried searching the archives regarding my question, but didn't find
anything exactly helpful.
I was looking at a Mk I C&C 30, and noticed the "
Do it right and you may not have to fix again. Agree the keel probsbly aint
gonna fall off and The ss bolts and nuts are morr than adequate but some of
us just dont want to see thst ugly smile on the hard and let it could
widen. The fix is good and very much worth the small effort and expense
requi
Here's my write up, from when the repair was done many years ago:
Dropped the keel. Flushed out the keel bolt holes. The forward bolt hole
(which was under the mast) had a void around it, and a terrible smell when
it was flushed out. The yard ground the surface of the keel and the stub,
filled th
Good idea. No one wants that smile. I think what you (dennis) wrote up was
very helpful and it worked great for me. Anyone with “smile” issues on a
C&C yacht that they want to fix can follow that procedure and end up with a
smile on their face instead of at the keel/hull joint. Very beneficial and
Dennis,
I take some issue with the problem normally being toque on the bolts . . .
I believe the biggest reason is there is a plastic boat sump (which distorts
slightly) up against a solid cast lead blob which does Not distort at all.
We chased that problem for years and minimized it, but a fiberg
Very nice of you, thank you Dennise. Definitely a good start.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 1:42 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Since the C&C smile topic seems to occur frequently, perhaps a generic
> document to explain the cause and repair could be developed and posted on
Since the C&C smile topic seems to occur frequently, perhaps a generic
document to explain the cause and repair could be developed and posted on
the Photo Album site. We could then just point any concerned inquirer to
the document.
Here's a start:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DOxXG3oTJfvaYt
Al
See the C&C photo album story of "Liberty" repair same thing as Jason
but more complicated.
http://gkolc3.wix.com/liberty
Gary
Alan Bergen via CnC-List wrote:
> Jason:
>
> In 2004 I noticed the smile on my boat, when I
All puns intended?
*The smile never came back.
*On you or the boat or both?
--
Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
Armdale Y.C.
Halifax
On 3/22/2016 2:54 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List wrote:
Jason:
In 2004 I noticed the smile on my boat, when I hauled out. I could
also
Jason:
In 2004 I noticed the smile on my boat, when I hauled out. I could also move
the keel, so I knew I had a problem that wouldn't go away. I had the yard drop
the keel, and when they flushed out the keel bolt holes, a smelly substance
came out (like someone died in there). The forward keel
urse as stated here numerous times already … the smile is not a
> problem at all if the bolts are torqued
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Dave
Had a Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 that had this problem (built by George
Hinterhoeller who was likely the production head at C&C wh
ot a
problem at all if the bolts are torqued
Mike
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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 7:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Thanks f
This is literally a 10 minute job if you don’t count the time to go buy the
sockets. Don’t stress over it. One thing you do need to check is the backing
plates. Mine were steel and well on their way to dissolving, so I got them
remade in stainless and lived happily ever after.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 3
Ryan,
You've already gotten several good replies. I guess you saw this:
"http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm";.
That's Touche', my 35-1. As others have said, torque the keel bolts. A
rental shop nearby may have a torque multiplier. You can get cheap large
sockets at Har
gt;> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>> C&C 35 MK I
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
>> Doyle via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Wow. This seems like a great forum. Thanks for the responses... And all this
time I've been slumming it over at Sailnet :)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Here's a write up I saved from Epoxy Works magazine published by West Systems.
Here's a write up I saved from Epoxy Works magazine published by West
Systems.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yV1JEN3YxQk1RbHc/view?usp=docslist_api
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Dec 7, 2015 4:11 PM, "Ryan Doyle via CnC-List"
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm brand
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Stus-List C&C &q
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ryan Doyle
> *Subject:* Stus-List C&
repairs.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
> To: cnc
p in soon with more involved repairs.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-lis
Don't think I would get too worried about that unless you have water
ingress around any of the keel bolts, if not just tighten the nuts to spec
then clean around the crack surfaces (maybe with an angle grinder) fill the
smile using epoxy and glass matte and fair
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna
I'm thinking you
could do the same. Danny
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To: "Della Barba, Joe"
Cc: Ryan Doyle , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 1
] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ryan Doyle
> *Subject:* Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm brand new to the list here a
list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Hi all,
I'm brand new to the list here and I'm not quite sure how this list works
yet... But I'm excited to join because I'm the proud new owner of a 1976 C&C 30
mki.
My boat
Hi all,
I'm brand new to the list here and I'm not quite sure how this list works
yet... But I'm excited to join because I'm the proud new owner of a 1976
C&C 30 mki.
My boat is hauled for the winter and is exhibiting the much-talked-about
C&C "smile" at the front of the keel, but there is also a
00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:38:47 -0400
> From: Harald Braun <mailto:har...@davenportcatering.com>>
> To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List C&C smile
> Message-ID: <562f7e67
f Of Dennis C.
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:11 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
Torque the keel bolts, wrap a couple layers of biaxial tape over the joint and
go sailing. Should be under $1000.
Dennis C.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Harald B
Torque the keel bolts, wrap a couple layers of biaxial tape over the joint
and go sailing. Should be under $1000.
Dennis C.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Harald Braun via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hi, i have the C & C smile on my 1985 Mk 3 and want to know if anybody has
> r
The list archives are full of responses and experiences regarding your
question. After you follow the link below, check out the syntax of the
search criteria. You'll probably find it helpful now and in the future.
"Site:cnc-list.com" results in a search of just the cnc-list.com site.
https://ww
When I purchased my boat in 2011 there was a small smile. They cleaned it
out, filled it and wrapped in with glass cloth and resin. Total for the
repair was less than $700. My mechanic did the keel bolts.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote:
> 5 y
5 years ago my yard noticed a small amount of play in the keel on haul out. I
had had a "smile" for a few years prior. The yard dropped the keel and
re-bedded it etc. I have not had a "smile" since.
--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 09:38, Harald Braun via CnC-Lis
Hi, i have the C & C smile on my 1985 Mk 3 and want to know if anybody
has repaired it or had it done. I got a quote for 4 400.00 can. the
crack is not very deep.
cheers
Harald
from Spirit
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p;C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:17 PM
To: Robert Abbott; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C sm
cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Dan Mccorison'; 'Bill Bina'
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile fix - how I did it
And if you are in the northern climate and are pulling the boat out for the
winter, add a garboard drain plug to let water out of the bildge before it
freezes and causes
iday, October 24, 2014 9:26 AM
To: Dan Mccorison; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Bill Bina
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile fix - how I did it
Dan:
Congratulations on your new boat and welcome to the C&C list. Just about
anything you need advice on, you can get it here.
In my opinion, Bill Bina has provi
Hi, Dan — welcome to the best place on the planet for owners of vintage C&C’s!
Stu has done us all a great service in taking over this list-serve since
SailNet and its old chat groups went under several years back.
I’m also on the Big Lake, but a little further east of you. Haul-out Monday…
Rob I sail from Duluth, Mn. Looking forward to asking questions, I'm sure I'll
have a lot of them. Thanks for the nice welcome.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:17 AM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"
> wrote:
>
> Ditto. Key is torquing the keelbolts.
>
> Pictures of Touché's smile are
Ditto. Key is torquing the keelbolts.
Pictures of Touché's smile are on the C&C photo album DIY section. Fix was
1999. No issue since
Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Dan:
>
> Congratulatio
The 25 is a great boat. A whole lot of boat for the money too
Congratulations!
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
DANIEL MCCORISON via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:05 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&a
-list.com; Bill Bina
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile fix - how I did it
Dan:
Congratulations on your new boat and welcome to the C&C list. Just about
anything you need advice on, you can get it here.
In my opinion, Bill Bina has provided you with one of the best methods
to deal with the 'C&
list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 9:26 AM
To: Dan Mccorison; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Bill Bina
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile fix - how I did it
Dan:
Congratulations on your new boat and welcome to the C&C list. Just about
anyth
Dan:
Congratulations on your new boat and welcome to the C&C list. Just about
anything you need advice on, you can get it here.
In my opinion, Bill Bina has provided you with one of the best methods
to deal with the 'C&C smile'. It is pretty much the way we dealt with
ours when we acquired
Thanks bill
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Bill Bina via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> I fixed mine about 10 years ago and it has remained completely fixed, despite
> a few incidents of groundings. I cleaned out the joint mostly by using a wire
> wheel chucked in a drill. That du
I fixed mine about 10 years ago and it has remained completely fixed,
despite a few incidents of groundings. I cleaned out the joint mostly by
using a wire wheel chucked in a drill. That dug a channel all the way
along the length of the joint on both sides and around the leading edge.
Then re-
I just bought a 1975 C&C 25mk. It's my first sailboat I have owned. Just
wondering what is the best product to use to fix the C&C smile. Also what is
the procedure to go about fixing it?
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To: kenhea...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Ken
You are correct.
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/Phase2/garboard_drain.htm
At our club (Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club) a number of owners had installed
these oart
l. Our friends that had teh 25 liked this idea
and did the same on their C&C99
Mike
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Heaton
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:44 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile -
ailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Coleman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:10 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
>
> Find the lowest part of your bilge and drill a hole then epoxy a
&
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Coleman
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Find the lowest part of your bilge and drill a hole then epoxy a
Garboard Drain/
: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Count me among those with water constantly in the bilge. The past two
winters with the boat out of the water there has been no evidence of a smile
but I have been concerned with the bilge and it always having water in it.
Keel stepped, when it rain
ist.com]On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:00 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Count me among those with water constantly in the bilge. The past two winters
with the boat out of the water there has been no
evidence of
ike
>
> Nut Case
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John
> and Maryann Read
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
>
> Hi Bill
>
&
Just as in fixing a crack in a plaster wall at home, using only a filler
in the crack itself will never be anything but a temporay solution. The
crack has to be bridged with a patch that spans an area substantially
larger than the crack. Ten or so years ago, I got tired of revisiting
the same i
Behalf Of Bill
Connon
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile
I've been fixing the smile with Bondo over the past few years. This
season I've noticed that I'm getting some sea water into the bilge (
along with rainwater t
ent: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
>
> Hi Bill
>
> If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the
> point
> of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the
> ke
ast summer have hit a lot of nasty square waves so will be
interesting to see how the joint made out when we haul boat next weekend
Mike
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Connon
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:26 PM
To: cnc-list@c
: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
Hi Bill
If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the
point
of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the
keel /
sump seal itself to prevent l
Mine hasn't leaked yet - but have you torqued the keel bolts? My boat had a big
smile when I got it last year. I hired a yard to redo things. They torqued up
the bolts, re-faired with epoxy and filler (and we did a barrier coat), and so
far so good (looking and feeling as closely as I can while
mp;C 34
Noank, CT
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Connon
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile
I've been fixing the smile with Bondo over the past few years. Thi
I've been fixing the smile with Bondo over the past few years. This
season I've noticed that I'm getting some sea water into the bilge (
along with rainwater that comes down the mast ). On haulout this year
I'm planning on making a more permanent fix. Has anybody used G-Flex
epoxy for this proj
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
I have had ACE as my carrier for 10 years. Have had only one claim in 10 years
– where they paid for keel / stub separation to be repaired!
That, by itself, “paid” for 10 years of pot
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From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
I got the insurance company wrong...Heritage is an Insur
c-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:28:12 GMT
Okay,I had to chime in as I've decided on insurance. I got quote from BoatUS
of $728 and a quote from Heritage Marine Insurance for $387. Heritage
specializes in Old Yacht, namely o
Danny
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From: Oban Lambie
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:47:49 -0600
Another perspective on boat insurance: I have a 29 mk1 which I purchased this
spring. � It's a $10k boat in
to:
> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> > On Behalf Of William Hall
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
> >
> > Hi List,
> > I just bought a C&C 37.
> >
I've had my C&C 37 for over 10 years and it has always developed a thin crack
between haul-outs (every 3 to 4 years here in Southern California). Last
winter I had it hauled for bottom paint and the crack was a bit bigger, so I
had the yard do just what Alan suggested. They also replaced all o
I recommend BoatUS. I've had them for years, and they handle claims the way you
want them to be handled. Some people say their rates are higher than other
carriers, but I found them to be lower. Probably depends on where you're
sailing. I wouldn't recommend an auto or home insurance company. You
rom: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
Thanks!
On Thu, Aug
> -Original Message-
> > From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:
> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> > On Behalf Of William Hall
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insur
hursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
>
> Hi List,
> I just bought a C&C 37.
> Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
> seen the cosmetic repair section here. Ke
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smil
lf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've seen the
cosmetic repair section here. Keel bol
Hi List,
I just bought a C&C 37.
Everything I read tells me the C&C smile is just how it goes, and I've
seen the cosmetic repair section here. Keel bolts look beautiful.
The inspector told me verbally that it's perfectly fine.
But in his written survey, he added this CYA material:
"I believe the k
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