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Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles
Got it. Makes sense as I visualize the scene. Thanks
Wade
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 20:34 Jim Watts via CnC
Aug 2019 at 09:02, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, leave the jib sheet attached. Also, if you don’t like the
>>>> position you get attaching the barber h
clew, you can also
>>> attach it to the jib sheet itself to deflect it.
>>>
>>>
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>> All makes sense
>> Based on rep
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Cc: Jim Watts
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles
I use a simple twing setup...easy to attach, easy to trim, cheap. Up to the
point where you need to rig a second sheet outboard of the lifelines, anyhow.
https://i.imgur.com/EwjDofL.jpg
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&a
:* John Conklin via CnC-List
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> All makes sense
> Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles
All makes sense
Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area have the
sheet run to and tied off at my extra winch on one end thru block and clipped
off to upper lifeline tensioned to not
All makes sense
Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area have the
sheet run to and tied off at my extra winch on one end thru block and clipped
off to upper lifeline tensioned to not flip around
When reaching will attach this second line to clew (leaving jib sheet
a
On our 1990 C&C 34R: When we sail close hauled the foot of the genoa is
completely inside the lifelines and sheeted to the very aft end of our genoa
track positioned on deck next to the cabin sides. When reaching, the genoa
needs to be trimmed outside the lifelines and sheeted to the toerail f
This sounds like a simple solution to rig up. If anyone has photos of their
barber hauler or similar setup under use, please share!
Thanks
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:28 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via Cn
Hi Dennis,
Thanks for the clarification. We do have the aft genoa track similar to
yours, but not the forward track. But since our boat has two foresails in a
solent rig, the inner stay with the 95% jib is sheeted to the genoa track,
and the genoa on the outer stay is sheeted to the toerail with a
I rig barberhaulers also. I attach a pulley on the toerail at the sweet spot,
with a soft shackle and string up the top of the pulley to the lower lifeline
so it doesn't flop around. I keep a short 5/16" diameter line for this purpose
with a carabiner in one end and clip that to the upper lifeli
Thanks Dennis, that answered some questions. We were trying to figure out
who or why there were pieces of toe rail there. Partially confusing because
a previous owner also added job track and a different previous owner had a
deck job done but didn't remove them. $75, what a deal..
Jeff
Caposhi
Shawn,
It sounds like you don't have a genoa track. Look at this:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsb1FWampMNVpnSGM
The short track by the shrouds is our jib track. That's for our 95% jib.
Further aft is a longer track which is our genoa track for our 125% and
larger sails. If yo
Can I ask Barry, is the barber hauler sheet on the Genoa Lew led to the
snap shackle from outside the lifelines or inside?
Wade
Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 15:30 Barry Lenoble via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Generally, the whisker pole is used if you are sai
Dennis, thanks for the detailed info. I'm trying to understand picture it
all, but am unclear on which sheet goes through the snatch block on the
rail? I have genoa tracks on the side deck but they are used for the inner
95% jib. The outer genoa uses blocks on the toerail, which I haven't tried
rel
First, if you are racing, having the whisker pole on the same side as the
boom may be prohibited in certain jurisdictions.
Barber hauling is a complicated configuration. Basically, you are setting
a triangle using two sheets to change location of the clew of the genoa.
Generally, "barber haulers"
Thanks for this description of a barber hauler - I will give this a try, as
reaching with the big genoa in lighter air has proven a challenge at times.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:30 PM Barry Lenobl
We use the spinnaker twing also. Opens up the slot nicely.
Gary
30-1
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles
If you have a twing for your chute
Hey,
Generally, the whisker pole is used if you are sailing downwind and the
barber hauler if you are reaching.
On my boat, if I am doing a windward / leeward race, we will have genoa and
mainsail in tight for upwind work. Once we round the mark and head downwind
we will run wing and wing with th
I also only use the whisker pole for wing and wing. You can be creative with
configuring a barber hauler using various things on board.
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers
If you have a twing for your chute you can also try that instead of a
snatch block. With a snatch block we use the lazy sheet to run through the
block and then switch sheets.
Joel
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Dave, here’s an articl
Dave, here’s an article with pic I wrote for Cruising world. I only get the
pole out to go wing and wing.
Andy
Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI
USA02842
www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
> On Aug 20, 2019, at 15:48, Da
I have been reading about Barber Haulers to help with reaching by getting the
clew further outboard and keeping the leech from twisting off. I was thinking
of a snatch block on the toe rail and a line snap shackled to the clew
attachment point to accomplish this. However, I have also seen peop
ton
> *To:* Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2013 10:52 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
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> Unless you're talking about a blender, it's called a fraculator, Dennis.
> Really , I don't know what they teach kids in schools
rom: Andrew Burton
>To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 10:52 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
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>
>Unless you're talking about a blender, it's called a fraculator, Dennis.
>Really , I don't know what they teach kids
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> *From:* Andrew Burton
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> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2013 10:39 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
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> On racing boats, when the wind is aft of about 50 degrees apparent, the
> crew rigs an outboard lead for the
to discuss
frapilators?
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
>
> From: Andrew Burton
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 10:39 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
>
>
>On racing boats, when the wi
On racing boats, when the wind is aft of about 50 degrees apparent, the
crew rigs an outboard lead for the jib sheet. Sheeting the jib to a block
on the rail opens up the leech of the jib and reduces twist, allowing the
sail to be eased farther without luffing. This in turn allows the main to
be ea
The barber hauler is used to pull the lead outboard to open up the slot at
the bottom of the main, and to reduce twist in the genoa when you are off
the wind. Just moving the lead block forward on the inboard track leaves
the genoa with too much twist, either overtrimming the bottom or luffing
the
C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
>
> From: Gary Nylander
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 8:37 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
>
>
>
>On our 30, we use the spinnaker twing setup for a barber
OK guys, thanks for all the replies.
I guess barber haulers are pretty much a standard setup. I thought someone
might have a system that I hadn't thought of, but seems this is simple stuff
and most everyone does the same thing.
I'll get the splicing wand out!
Sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake
control them.
Gary
30-1
Chesapeake
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From: Sam Salter
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
John and Dennis,
On your 27 & 35, do you need any mechanical advantage to put on the tension
List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:48 PM
To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
Here's the cheap and cheerful way.
http://members.shaw.ca/parmesanshift/images/approaching%20Merry.jpg
the line
e toe rail.
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts
Sent: March 3, 2013 9:48 PM
To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
Here&#
; --
> *From:* Sam Salter
> *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:13 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
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> John and Dennis,
>
> On your 27 & 35, do you need any mechanical advantage to put on
nis C.
>
> From: Sam Salter
>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
>Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:13 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
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>
>John and Dennis,
>
>
>On your 27 & 35, do you need any mechanical advantage to put on the tension or
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Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:59:24 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber Haulers
We are very quick to rig on a Barber hauler on Touché. As soon as the sheet
starts touching the upper lifeline we're on it.
We use a snatch block on the toe rail. We locate it 1-2 holes aft of d
rough a block attached to the middle
> stanchion, then to a spilock snap. Works well on my 27-III
>
> From: Sam Salter
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:07:53 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Barber Haulers
>
> Anybody got barber haulers
We are very quick to rig on a Barber hauler on Touché. As soon as the sheet
starts touching the upper lifeline we're on it.
We use a snatch block on the toe rail. We locate it 1-2 holes aft of diredtly
under the sheet. The line has a snap shackle on the end for quick rig and
de-rig.
Denni
I use dinghy snatch blocks running through a block attached to the middle
stanchion, then to a spilock snap. Works well on my 27-III
From: Sam Salter
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:07:53 PM
Subject: Stus-List Barb
Anybody got barber haulers rigged on their genoa sheets?
I've got Garhauer sliding genoa cars and am thinking about Barbour haulers to
open the slot a bit when going up wind. Was thinking about coming off the toe
rail.
Anyone with successful setups that can share?
Sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost
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