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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Risch
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:57 AM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
>
>
Yes, but the old timers had it gone by the time we got to shore. We race JAM
with a full cooler. and the 30-1 has a big ice box.
Gary
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From: Bill Coleman
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel
Have you tried a free post-race keg of Dogfish IPA?
Bill Coleman
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From: Martin DeYoung
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
The Seattle Yacht
ailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
OK - I was afraid you meant "Flaking, peeling, ignored and cratered because I
dont care".
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Mike
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Martin
What is a cruising bottom?
From: CnC-List [mailt
...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Martin
What is a cruising bottom?
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Martin
What is a cruising bottom?
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Martin DeYoung
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
>> We would kick
>> We would kick his a-- going to weather in medium to heavy air and some
>> sea...<<<
PHRF-NW rates Calypso at 90, a Soveral 33 at 93, and a Baba 40 (tall rig) at
165. The Soveral is full race and well sailed (+- 7,000lbs). The Baba is
cruise/race and participates in many races both serious
...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Taras
Back to one of your roriginal questions
2) This boat also has an additional genoa track closer to the rail. Should
this affect the
list.com] On Behalf Of David
Risch
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Taras,
If I were to buy a "PHRF-Beater" (a boat that easily or more easily sails
to its rating) it would be a Frers XX (take y
that is
a different story Otherwise - skipper is cheating
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pat
Nevitt
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Now PHRF
> to its rating) it would be a Frers XX (take your choice).
>
> Very anecdotal of course, but I have been told, and witnessed myself, that
> as a baseline, they seem to have a good rating for their speed.
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Risch
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Taras,
If I were to buy a "PHRF-Beater" (a boat that easily or more easily sails
to its rating) i
My 2 cents...
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:25:21 -0400
From: mike.h...@impgroup.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Taras
Back to one of your roriginal questions
2) This boat also has an additi
Taras
Back to one of your roriginal questions
2) This boat also has an additional genoa track closer to the rail.
Should this affect the handicap?
In most areas moving genoa tracks and other gear on the decks has no
affect on handicap. In our area (Nova Scotia) it does not. As a matter
of f
nst a Hobie 33 (PHRF 94) on a
> C&C 34R (PHRF 84)
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Goodyear
> Sent: November 12, 2012 9:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@c
ad of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Goodyear
Sent: November 12, 2012 9:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
I agree - I'd swap my Flex-o-fold for a two-blade fixed and a
t.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: November 12, 2012 8:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
I don't seem to have made my original point clearly.
What I was trying to say was that I've taken 10" off the keel of my 38 and
added a wide 11
yc in nova scotia we
> had a j30 racing against frers 33. Frers great light wind boat ...
>
> Mike
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List on behalf of dwight veinot
> Sent: Mon 12/11/2012 18:11
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel m
There is a 37+xl at the Royal with shoal keel .ChaosNice boat,passed me
during last year's Ishkoodah
All the bestTaras
From: r...@sailpower.ca
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:31:26 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Taras. I used to sail o
: RE: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Wow ... So many topics and so many responses
1. When a vessel changes its keel, rudder or rig it is always treated as an
attempt to make the boat sail better (faster). Only if it is looked at hard
and long and decided is no faster and rarely slower is
November 12, 2012 3:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
That's a good point for the guy considering the 37+ for racing.he will need
more regular and good crew to race effectively.not just more water.but Rick,
I think your boat is probably rated f
Mike
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From: CnC-List on behalf of dwight veinot
Sent: Mon 12/11/2012 18:11
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Hey Ron.it's all about having fun and if you guys are having fun racing that
way that's great.but what you guys are try
2012 4:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Dwight:
Ii agree "in principle"; but that thinking applied back when we were all 25
years younger.and could handle BIG spinnakers, etc. In our fleets
today..there are no boats that sail in
-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Casciato
Sent: November 12, 2012 1:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Rick:
My 38MKII here in NE is rated at 120R and 132C which is consistent with the
12 sec difference for a masthead rig.
The
ght Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: November 12, 2012 2:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
12 seconds?! I should hav
M
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Rick:
My 38MKII here in NE is rated at 120R and 132C which is consistent with the
12 sec difference for a masthead rig.
The base rating was 114R but was adjusted 6 seconds for an above deck
working roller furling
s I'll need to crew up before the event and get in some
practice.
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Casciato
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rat
Washington, NC
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Rick,
I got the 129 rating based on a +12 adjustment for the two blade fixed prop
r 12, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Dwight;
The NC PHRF base rating is 117 for the 38 Mk1 or Mk2, and 126 for the 35 Mk2.
9 seconds difference is consistent with the spread in your area. I presume you
have more wind than we do.
When I was racing r
ustments
Best,
Ron Casciato
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC..'77
Mass Bay
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
, November 12, 2012 8:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Rick
You say "I can still point up to under 30 degrees apparent,"
My 35 MKII will sail at 30 degrees to apparent wind but I have found that my
VMG (wind) is highest when I sail
result in your best VMG to weather under all conditions?
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: November 12, 2012 12:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re
Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:38:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
US Sailing shows the PHRF ratings nationally for the Freres 33 run from 108 to
114, with the national average being 108. PHRF of the Chesapeake has one boat
listed at 114. I looked at NC-PHRF for a comparison (our
t of the fleetI guess I will have to pull up our socks or buy that
C&C37+ I keep eyeing
ThanksTarasMontreal,QC
From: rickbr...@earthlink.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:38:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
US Sailing shows the PHRF ratings nation
US Sailing shows the PHRF ratings nationally for the Freres 33 run from 108
to 114, with the national average being 108. PHRF of the Chesapeake has one
boat listed at 114. I looked at NC-PHRF for a comparison (our ratings are
usually 3 seconds lower, since our PHRF group thinks we have higher avera
Hi Taras,
Here's my 2 cents! Rating issues are best addressed by the PHRF organization in
your area. It's not up to you, but the governing body. You didn't mention what
model boat you have, your rating, or where you sail. (One of my pet peeves.)
Shortening a keel and adding weight will make a
Taras. What are you sailing and where do you sail?
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2012-11-11, at 20:57, TARAS IWANYCKI wrote:
I have a general question about boat dynamics and related phrf rating
I have been racing against a Frers33 this season, a first-time boat owner with
green crew, t
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