David: The PHRF sleeper category has been around for a long time.....
Depending on what class you want to sail in: Fast vs Slower???? You could start with an old Frers 36 built by Carroll Marine....Unbeatable in that class.; You could then move down to an Islander 36 tall rig....also tough to get in front of; or as Dennis Conner did several years ago to a Ranger 26... The boat to beat in my class (B) 100-130 is an old Pearson Flyer, he's been the second Flyer we've seen over the last 20 years and both are always at the front. He's chased once in a while by a Laser 28....and then a Frers 33 and me. Once in a while we get lucky....most of the time, they're just good. All ratings aside....you still have to have competitive crew and sail well...... Best, Ron Casciato Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC...'77 Mass Bay _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Taras, If I were to buy a "PHRF-Beater" (a boat that easily or more easily sails to its rating) it would be a Frers XX (take your choice). Very anecdotal of course, but I have been told, and witnessed myself, that as a baseline, they seem to have a good rating for their speed. My 2 cents... David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _____ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:25:21 -0400 From: mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Taras Back to one of your roriginal questions 2) This boat also has an additional genoa track closer to the rail. Should this affect the handicap? In most areas moving genoa tracks and other gear on the decks has no affect on handicap. In our area (Nova Scotia) it does not. As a matter of fact last Spring I installed an additional jib track on our J27 that was on the deck rather than coach roof to open the slot when sailing with #3 in windier conditions. This has no effect on rating as is the same as barber hauling or if more inboard then inhauling ... which we are supoposed to be doing anyway. The outboard track did have a very positive effect on boat handling this Fall when the wind came up. We now have three tracks on each side .. 2 forward and one aft for the #2 & #1 Mike _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of TARAS IWANYCKI Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating I have a general question about boat dynamics and related phrf rating I have been racing against a Frers33 this season, a first-time boat owner with green crew, that cleaned up and won almost everything in all conditions Many of us are asking whether is handicap was correct. The OD rating for the boat is 114 and the owner claimed this for the season This boat had it's keel depth shortened by 6-8 inches and added a bulb to equal the lost keel weight. From what I understand, if you add a bulb to your keel, it will stiffen the boat's feel....correct? But... 1) What impact would cutting the keel down and adding a bulb to offset the lost ballast do? Would she be faster? slower? Point higher? Lower? 2) This boat also has an additional genoa track closer to the rail. Should this affect the handicap? 3) What is the official way of determining the correct handicap? Is there an official body to address? Thanks Taras _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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