On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Mike Meyer
wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:51:40 -0500
> Ken Wesson wrote:
>> But that's neglecting a crucial biasing factor: with project-hosting
>> sites it's very easy to just slap together a few text blurbs for the
>> front page and carry on your business usin
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:51:40 -0500
Ken Wesson wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
> >> Not until after they go there once or twice, find confusing project
> >> pages with no clear starting point for prospective end users, and form
> >> an opinion of the site. :)
> >
> >
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Mike Meyer
wrote:
>> Not until after they go there once or twice, find confusing project
>> pages with no clear starting point for prospective end users, and form
>> an opinion of the site. :)
>
> Yup. Those pages are about as well organized as every other page one
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:38:24 -0500
Ken Wesson wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
> > "Ken Wesson" wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer
> >> wrote:
> >>> "Ken Wesson" wrote:
> That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Mike Meyer
wrote:
> "Ken Wesson" wrote:
>
>>On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer
>> wrote:
>>> "Ken Wesson" wrote:
That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large
user-base to have a highly-ranked google result be clearly the plac
"Ken Wesson" wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
>> "Ken Wesson" wrote:
>>>That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large
>>>user-base to have a highly-ranked google result be clearly the place
>>>for prospective end-users to go for further information
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer
wrote:
> "Ken Wesson" wrote:
>>That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large
>>user-base to have a highly-ranked google result be clearly the place
>>for prospective end-users to go for further information,
>>documentation, friendly
"Ken Wesson" wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
>> Sure, Sturgeon's law is closer to 99% than 90% for the web. But if
>you don't even look at the right page to start with
>
>That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large
>user-base to have a highly-ra
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Mike Meyer
wrote:
> Sure, Sturgeon's law is closer to 99% than 90% for the web. But if you don't
> even look at the right page to start with
That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large
user-base to have a highly-ranked google result be clea
"Ken Wesson" wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
>> Ditto. Most often, the "code" site is the sole project site, and
>everything is there. Some larger projects may have a separate "home"
>page, but it's always prominently mentioned on the "code" site. In
>either case, th
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mike Meyer
wrote:
> Ditto. Most often, the "code" site is the sole project site, and everything
> is there. Some larger projects may have a separate "home" page, but it's
> always prominently mentioned on the "code" site. In either case, the "code"
> site is wo
"Laurent PETIT" wrote:
>2011/1/20 Ken Wesson
>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne
>wrote:
>> > Aren't you a developer?
>>
>> I'm not a CCW developer.
>>
>> > If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm
>> > going to click and check out first. code.google is a proj
2011/1/25 NovusTiro :
> Hello,
>
> Seems like this might be a good time to say thanks to Laurent for all
> the work he's done on CCW. FWIW, I've been using it for a while, and
> never had any issues installing it (at least not from a clean
> Eclipse), nor any of the other described issues.
>
> So
Hello,
Seems like this might be a good time to say thanks to Laurent for all
the work he's done on CCW. FWIW, I've been using it for a while, and
never had any issues installing it (at least not from a clean
Eclipse), nor any of the other described issues.
So thanks Laurent, and keep up the good
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>> Which tempts me to ask why you decided to bring it up again? :)
>> Because the topic arose again.
>
> Because _you_ brought the topic up again.
>
> Did you expect a different outcome th
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>> Which tempts me to ask why you decided to bring it up again? :)
> Because the topic arose again.
Because _you_ brought the topic up again.
Did you expect a different outcome this time?
You know what they say about madness (doing the same thi
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>> (and this discussion has occurred before about the discoverability of
>>> IDE documentation with much the same content and result)
>> It has indeed.
>
> Which tempts me to ask why you d
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>> http://code.google.com/p/counterclockwise/
>> And that URL is the #1 Google result for: clojure eclipse
> And looks to CCW newbies like it's likely to just lead to a code
> repository, tracker, and CCW-developer-centric mailing lists.
I'll c
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Chas Emerick wrote:
>> The links to the users' and developers' google groups for ccw are
>> prominently linked on the right side of the ccw site:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/counterclockwise/
>
> And tha
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Chas Emerick wrote:
> The links to the users' and developers' google groups for ccw are prominently
> linked on the right side of the ccw site:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/counterclockwise/
And that URL is the #1 Google result for: clojure eclipse
(and this di
Hi Mr. Bell, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Sarcasm. :p
On Jan 20, 9:32 am, Peter Bell wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
>
> > 2011/1/20 Aaron Bedra
>
> > Clojure/core
> >http://clojure.comcl
>
> > the url of the website below your "title" does not work.
>
> http://cl
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:14 PM, ka wrote:
> I've been using ccw for a while now and it works perfectly as
> advertised. Plus the new 0.2.0 version looks to be really promising. I
> invite all ccw users to give their inputs.
>
> What's bugging is not that you faced a problem or that ccw didn't wor
I've been using ccw for a while now and it works perfectly as
advertised. Plus the new 0.2.0 version looks to be really promising. I
invite all ccw users to give their inputs.
What's bugging is not that you faced a problem or that ccw didn't work
as you expected, what's disturbing is how you react
On 01/20/2011 10:15 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Luc Prefontaine
wrote:
Chasing a fly with a news paper has more value than spending time
with you for any purpose.
...
Oups, need to flush that junk folder again... crap appeared in it
again.
And some people are cla
On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
> 2011/1/20 Aaron Bedra
>
> Clojure/core
> http://clojure.comcl
>
> the url of the website below your "title" does not work.
http://clojure.com
I don't think it's that hard to figure out. Personally, I'd rather he continue
to add cool featur
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Luc Prefontaine
wrote:
> Chasing a fly with a news paper has more value than spending time
> with you for any purpose.
...
> Oups, need to flush that junk folder again... crap appeared in it
> again.
And some people are claiming that *I* am being trollish, churli
Yep, just fixed that :)
Cheers,
Aaron Bedra
--
Clojure/core
http://clojure.com
On 01/20/2011 09:36 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
Seriously, Aaron, there's a typo in your signature.
Take care ;)
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2011/1/20 Aaron Bedra
Dropped a lot of raaather ininteresting stuff
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron Bedra
> --
> Clojure/core
> http://clojure.comcl
>
>
Aaron,
>From your signature, where I see "Clojure/core", I thought that you were
maybe a core member of the clojure community.
But how laaame are y
Issuing threats against you ?
Chasing a fly with a news paper has more value than spending time
with you for any purpose.
You clearly do not understand what a lot of people have been telling
you in different ways.
Ignoring you is a much more rational use of my time.
Others should come to the sam
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
> 2011/1/20 Ken Wesson
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne wrote:
>> > Aren't you a developer?
>>
>> I'm not a CCW developer.
>>
>> > If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm
>> > going to click and check o
You have been asked kindly to change your tone.
Are you implying a threat?
The next part of your post seemed to descend into name-calling, more
threats, and other unconstructive material, so I did not bother to
read further.
Have a good day.
Nobody is implying any threats. They are simply
2011/1/20 Ken Wesson
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne wrote:
> > Aren't you a developer?
>
> I'm not a CCW developer.
>
> > If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm
> > going to click and check out first. code.google is a project hosting
> > site, not just a pl
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Luc Prefontaine
wrote:
> Not reading wiki pages available, not investigating available links
> about ccw are more a sign of mental laziness than anything else or
> some form of disdain.
Or, they can be a sign of not having been pointed to the links by the
install
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne wrote:
> Aren't you a developer?
I'm not a CCW developer.
> If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm
> going to click and check out first. code.google is a project hosting
> site, not just a place to throw up code and developer di
2011/1/19 Luc Prefontaine
> Ken,
>
> It's always easy to complain and you seem excellent at it.
> However, to investigate any problem, hard facts are needed to
> support the fixing process.
>
> There are little facts reported in your emails about the problems you
> experienced according to you re
> I'm big, mean and I hate prima donnas. You would not even try to use that
> tone with a guy like me.
I can vouch for that!
Regards,
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Ken,
It's always easy to complain and you seem excellent at it.
However, to investigate any problem, hard facts are needed to
support the fixing process.
There are little facts reported in your emails about the problems you
experienced according to you regarding ccw.
Not reading wiki pages avail
Aren't you a developer? I am. I think everybody else here is as well.
If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm
going to click and check out first. code.google is a project hosting
site, not just a place to throw up code and developer discussion. It
offers wiki services, d
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
>
>
> 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chas Emerick
>> wrote:
>> > Any tone you might have picked up from Laurent might be a reaction to
>> > your ranting about how ccw is apparently rubbish rather than asking for
>
2011/1/18 Ken Wesson
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chas Emerick
> wrote:
> > Any tone you might have picked up from Laurent might be a reaction to
> your ranting about how ccw is apparently rubbish rather than asking for
> help.
>
> Well, excse me for assuming,
Another day, less tired
2011/1/19 Meikel Brandmeyer
> Hi,
>
> On 19 Jan., 00:28, Luc Prefontaine
> wrote:
>
> > Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About -> Installation
> > details)
>
> A while back I ran into a similar problem: a fresh install of eclipse
> + only ccw didn't work on my machine. Mysteriousl
Hi,
On 19 Jan., 00:28, Luc Prefontaine
wrote:
> Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About -> Installation
> details)
A while back I ran into a similar problem: a fresh install of eclipse
+ only ccw didn't work on my machine. Mysteriously using the same
files for eclipse and ccw on a
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:36 PM, blcooley wrote:
>
> On Jan 18, 9:14 pm, Ken Wesson wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Chas Emerick wrote:
>>
>> > The links to the users' and developers' google groups for ccw are
>> > prominently linked on the right side of the ccw site:
>>
>> >http://
On Jan 18, 9:14 pm, Ken Wesson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Chas Emerick wrote:
>
> > On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>
> >>> Tangentially, IMO it'd be nice if tooling troubleshooting discussions
> >>> didn't hit this list at all, since there are presumably mailing l
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Luc Prefontaine
wrote:
> We have been using ccw for more than a year here. Never had significant
> problems with it nor with updates to it.
>
> We have been using Eclipse since 2002.
>
> Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About -> Installation
> detail
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Chas Emerick wrote:
>
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>
>>> Tangentially, IMO it'd be nice if tooling troubleshooting discussions
>>> didn't hit this list at all, since there are presumably mailing lists and
>>> other forums specific to each tool
We have been using ccw for more than a year here. Never had significant
problems with it nor with updates to it.
We have been using Eclipse since 2002.
Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About -> Installation
details)
Luc P.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:21:50 -0500
Ken Wesson wrote:
>
On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>> Tangentially, IMO it'd be nice if tooling troubleshooting discussions didn't
>> hit this list at all, since there are presumably mailing lists and other
>> forums specific to each toolset.
>
> Your email is the first place that I encountered th
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chas Emerick wrote:
> Any tone you might have picked up from Laurent might be a reaction to your
> ranting about how ccw is apparently rubbish rather than asking for help.
Well, excse me for assuming, quite reasonably, that if, after an
install and restart du
On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:
> I could use the new-generic-file option to create files with the .clj
> extension and maybe I'd even get Clojure syntax highlighting and
> indenting in the editor if I did so; I didn't bother to check. Lack of
> any apparent way to launch a project
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
>> That's a bit snarky. But no-one should have to read the documentation
>> just to get it installed and to locate and use the most obvious
>> features that have direct parallels in Enclojure. In particular,
>> no-one has to with Enclojure. If
For what it's worth, I installed CCW on Eclipse Helios on Win7
yesterday and it works perfectly. Thanks Laurent!
On Jan 18, 9:27 am, Laurent PETIT wrote:
> 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Laurent PETIT
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >> No menu options exis
2011/1/18 Ken Wesson
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Laurent PETIT
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >> No menu options exist to create a
> >> new Clojure namespace .clj file,
> >
> > It does. You should see an option "Clojure File" in the "File > Create
> new"
> > menu.
>
> I don't.
>
> > If not, then prob
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
> Hi,
>> No menu options exist to create a
>> new Clojure namespace .clj file,
>
> It does. You should see an option "Clojure File" in the "File > Create new"
> menu.
I don't.
> If not, then probably there's a problem with the java perspectiv
2011/1/18 Laurent PETIT
> Hi,
>
> 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson
>
> I decided to test-drive CCW to see if it had leapfrogged Enclojure.
>>
>> Apparently not: whereas it was quick and easy to get NB 6.9.1 and
>> Enclojure installed, create a new Clojure project, and get a REPL,
>> trying the same with Ecl
Hi,
2011/1/18 Ken Wesson
> I decided to test-drive CCW to see if it had leapfrogged Enclojure.
>
> Apparently not: whereas it was quick and easy to get NB 6.9.1 and
> Enclojure installed, create a new Clojure project, and get a REPL,
> trying the same with Eclipse and CCW rapidly hit a snag.
>
>
I decided to test-drive CCW to see if it had leapfrogged Enclojure.
Apparently not: whereas it was quick and easy to get NB 6.9.1 and
Enclojure installed, create a new Clojure project, and get a REPL,
trying the same with Eclipse and CCW rapidly hit a snag.
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