Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Christian Vest Hansen
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Rich Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MIT and BSD are not reciprocal licenses. I want a reciprocal license. What does it mean that a license is reciprocal? -- Venlig hilsen / Kind regards, Christian Vest Hansen. --~--~-~--~~~---~-

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Mark H.
On Nov 2, 10:31 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (There are  examples of projects 'weakening' the GPL in  various ways > to suit their needs.) Just out of curiosity (I don't have an interest in this particular issue at the moment so I'm not taking a side in this debate), what

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Phlex
James Reeves wrote: > On Nov 2, 6:50 pm, Phlex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> is a program I am doing using >> clojure considered as a derivative work ? >> > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 > > > Thank you, Sacha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You

A question about test-is

2008-11-02 Thread Chanwoo Yoo
Hi. Nowadays I'm happy with playing Clojure. I really appreciate Rich Hickey and contributors. When I evaluate (run-tests) in a repl of my terminal, I can see test messages. But when I do it in slime, I can't see any messages. How I can see test results in slime? in repl: user=> (run-tests) Test

Re: Files in Clojure Google Groups

2008-11-02 Thread Parth Malwankar
Rich Hickey wrote: > On Oct 30, 3:57 pm, bc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is there any way to enter an annotation or comments when a file is > > uploaded to the Clojure Google Groups file area? I've recently had a > > look at a few things there and it would be nice to have some

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 2, 5:11 pm, Rich Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want a reciprocal license. > But I don't want the license to apply to, or dictate anything about, > non-derivative work that is combined with mine, as GPL does. I think > doing so is fundamentally wrong. It is your code and you are fre

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Rich Hickey
On Nov 2, 7:12 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 2, 1:56 pm, ".Bill Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For an earlier discussion of this same topic, > > seehttp://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/735aa7f1c... > > > Bill > > I agree that GPL inc

Re: Not Your Daddy's Namespaces

2008-11-02 Thread Bill Clementson
Hi Michael, On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Michael Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, bc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've posted a new article on my blog about Clojure Namespaces: >> http://bc.tech.coop/blog/081029.html >> >> I would ap

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 2, 1:56 pm, ".Bill Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For an earlier discussion of this same topic, > seehttp://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/735aa7f1c... > > Bill I agree that GPL incompatibility isn't a concern for Clojure *users*. It would be a practical proble

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 02 November 2008 16:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Nov 2, 11:06 am, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > many projects and businesses, both > > commercial and open-source, will categorically not use GPL-licensed > > software in their projects. > > straw man again... Please

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 2, 3:28 pm, "a r" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still, for me a dual CPL/LGPL license would be nicer. This is purely > for practical reasons - Java itself going GPL, reusing (those few) GPL > Java libraries or embeddingClojurecompiler in GPL applications (this > might be OK with CPL, I'm

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 2, 1:16 pm, Matthias Benkard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would hate to seeclojureadopting the GPL. > > Certainly, something compatible with the GPL wouldn't have to be the > GPL itself. Thank you. True! cs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this mes

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 2, 11:06 am, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > many projects and businesses, both > commercial and open-source, will categorically not use GPL-licensed > software in their projects. straw man again.They will use a GPL compatible license like MIT and BSD and many others. I

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 2, 10:52 am, jdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >  2. I personally dislike GPL Opinions about the GPL are straw men. No one is advocating conversion to GPLjust a GPL compatible license. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subs

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not advocating Clojure move to the GPL!!! I don't want to fight that battle. However, a slight change to a GPL *compatible* license would be *very* welcome and I think benefit Clojure. Chris On Nov 2, 10:50 am, Phlex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The biggest pr

(source name)

2008-11-02 Thread Mark McGranaghan
I really like being able to find and check documentation in the REPL with find-doc and doc, but I often would like to see the source code of a function or macro to be able to understand it better or learn from the implementation. To do this I switch into an editor with boot.clj, find and read the

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread a r
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello. I am an open source programmer and fan of Clojure! > I wanted to express my concern about your wonderful language project > in the > hopes it may help it succeed even more. CPL is very liberal and I am pretty

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread .Bill Smith
For an earlier discussion of this same topic, see http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/735aa7f1cecf583/05885644fb78fea1?lnk=gst&q=+Common+Public+License+#05885644fb78fea1 Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are s

Re: Defining own data types on top of Persistent ones

2008-11-02 Thread André Thieme
On 1 Nov., 14:12, Rich Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 31, 1:20 pm, André Thieme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is what I tried: > > > user> (defn make-lyst [& items] > >         (proxy [clojure.lang.IPersistentList] [] > >                (cons [obj] (cons obj this)) > >          

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Matthias Benkard
> I would hate to see clojure adopting the GPL. Certainly, something compatible with the GPL wouldn't have to be the GPL itself. (This doesn't mean I'd like to see Clojure's license changed. Just wanted to clarify things.) Matthias --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You rece

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread James Reeves
On Nov 2, 6:50 pm, Phlex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would hate to see clojure adopting the GPL. > About the CPL (clojure's license) : is a program I am doing using > clojure considered as a derivative work ? According to an article written by an attorney working for the Open Source Initiative

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Saturday 01 November 2008 10:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ... > > Are you really sure you want/need to use the Common Public License > for your language? The biggest problem I see with this license is > that it is not compatible with the GPL. This means a lot to many > people and I would ha

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread jdz
On Nov 1, 7:33 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you really sure you want/need to use the Common Public License for > your > language?  The biggest problem I see with this license is that it is > not > compatible with the GPL.  This means a lot to many people and I would > h

Re: Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread Phlex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The biggest problem I see with this license is that it is > not > compatible with the GPL. I would hate to see clojure adopting the GPL. About the CPL (clojure's license) : is a program I am doing using clojure considered as a derivative work ? Sacha --~--~-

Re: Files in Clojure Google Groups

2008-11-02 Thread Justin Giancola
Rather than changing where the files are stored, it might be easier to create an annotations page on the wiki that just links to the Google Groups files. Justin On Oct 31, 10:34 am, Stuart Sierra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does the wiki accept file uploads? > -S > > On Oct 31, 7:46 am, Rich H

Re: Processing wrapper

2008-11-02 Thread cranebird
Hi, Thank you for your good wrapper for processing. I think it makes simplify to use PApplet class in clojure. I found 'stroke-weight in processing.clj may be wrong - I think it should call strokeWeight instead of strokeJoin. Best regards, On Sep 9, 8:28 am, fyuryu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Concerned about Clojure's license choice.

2008-11-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello. I am an open source programmer and fan of Clojure! I wanted to express my concern about your wonderful language project in the hopes it may help it succeed even more. Are you really sure you want/need to use the Common Public License for your language? The biggest problem I see with this