> Of course, gmail could have broken their interface since then. If they make
it impossible to edit quotes for relevance, then they have no place in
civilized email, like any other MUA with that property.
Not broken, on web or android (I can't speak for iPhone). On web, click the
a little 3 dot
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> On 12/10/15 8:47 AM, et...@757.org wrote:
>
> Self hosted mail systems for the win.
>>
>>
> Sadly, I'm seeing more and more organizations abandoning hosting their own
> mail
> servers (and mailing lists) because it has become too much of a PITA
Well played.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Ian S. King wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I informed the list when I left the Living Computer Museum, so it seems
> appropriate to tell you where I've landed. My new employer was in the news
> this week:
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/03/behind-th
Like this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wright-Punch-Model-2600-/331580084313
I'm not sure it really needs a manual. I repaired one with a careful
disassemble and cleaning. On mine, the cord linking the tension spring to
the mechanism had broken. A trip to the hardware store found something
similar
I've heard of that design too. It was back in the late 70'r or early 80's.
A quick search leads to Apollo, but I seem to recall others trying the
same. Onyx and Dual systems come to mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Computer
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Mouse wrote:
> > The problems
While we are talking about typesetters, I have one that I am willing to
part with if someone can pick it up from Long Island, NY.
It is a Tegra Genesis Laser Phototypesetter, circa 1990.
Original cost at the time was north of $40K. It did 1000DPI pagess at 20
ppm. The print engine is a Varityper
Yes. Information by itself has no behavior.
Water and electricity are especially bad analogies, because they are both
tangible. When you use the water or charge, it is gone. You can't take one
water molecule have share it between 100 people. You can, however, share
the same bit of information to a
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM, John Willis
wrote:
> >
> > > That's another thing I remember and miss from those days... your
> average
> > > ISP would provide NNTP and UNIX shell accounts, as well as a few megs
> of
> > > space to put up a personal web site in ~/public_html.
> >
> > I still rea
Handy link. I have need of exactly that interface myself and didn't want to
design my own.
Taking this forward 30+ years, Silicon Valley is a period drama that gets
significant details spot-on right - both in the gross generalizations that
are network TV and in the nuances targeted to the cognoscenti.
I work with several people who could be the template for Gilfoil. There was
recently a
This one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-Display-Writer-/201657298867?hash=item2ef3b62fb3:g:McUAAOSwv2JXwaQw
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:34 PM, Ali wrote:
> > ah.. I see
> > local pickup only now
> > fsck him
>
> Yup. I checked with him with the original listing on how he planned on
> packag
The DisplayWriter is not my thing, but that Babylon is an easy pickup for
me. If someone *really* wanted it I could do the pickup and hold it for a
while and/or divide into a few shipments.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ali wrote:
> > This one?
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-Display
I used to tell people he wrote the *getty* program. Of course, that was a
long time ago, when people actually used serial terminals.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:03 AM, tim lindner wrote:
> I think it is dated 1988.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdmNHM9BKY0
>
> Interesting fact: His name is
I used most of the SEL/Gould/Encore machines. The 32/77 was an original
SEL design, from before Gould bought them. It ran MPX-32, their real-time
OS. TTL based. The 32/87 was ECL, in a much bigger cabinet. They made
slight hardware changes to the 32/77 and 32/75 and released them as the
PowerNode
Yes. The 8 & 9 machines were ECL, the rest were TTL. IIRC, those were the
32/87, 9780, PN9600.
David mentioned disks on the PN (Unix) series. Those were formatted with
multiple of 512 byte sectors. The RTM/MPX machines used 768 byte sectors,
which was super optimal for the disks they happened to
on bitsavers.org/pdf/sel and
> some software
> under bits/SEL
>
> I'll be working on MPX documentation next
>
>
> On 10/14/16 7:29 PM, Tony Aiuto wrote:
>
> > Bob: I may have a lot of software for it, if I can find the tapes and
> they
> > are still readable. I even got hold of their secret C compiler port.
> >
>
>
I have a Minivac 601, but it is in storage and I am not sure if it is
working. I'm thinking of restoring it and bringing to VCF East. The video
is not mine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6OA8HfnxxU
On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Bob Rosenbloom
wrote:
> On 1/14/2017 3:49 PM, Rick Bensene w
Just as my first product was about to go to market, the company president
decided we needed copy protection. He wanted Prolok. I objected, and
proposed that if I could break it in 24 hours, we wouldn't use it. I took
25 hours, and we did use it (fair is fair).
I finally found my notes and the unlo
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM, TeoZ via cctalk
wrote:
> How do you feel about reading dead presidents personal letters? At some
> point personal information ends up being historic information.
>
> If there is money (or more money) to be made associating a Computer to a
> company or specific som
You want the Hampton Inn.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hampton+Inn+%26+Suites+Mountain+View/@37.3950988,-122.0791475,15.53z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1shotels+near+Mountain+View,+CA!3m4!1s0x0:0xc7d978e934c5a2ca!8m2!3d37.3988499!4d-122.0754889
It is walking distance to the light rail station and Castr
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?n=daniel-bobrow&pid=184794881
I think Ken Thompson paid him the greatest tribute in his Turing Award
paper.
*"I suspect that Daniel Bobrow would be here instead of me if he could not
afford a PDP-10 and had had to "settle" for a PDP-11. *
htt
All on Ebay, but you get pictures that way.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/modemdepot/m.html?item=272691518656&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The following is available from Dan in Sacramento, CA. He usually will
A well priced PDP8 just went on sale in Iowa. I can't get it back from
Champaign to NYC, but someone else might be able to snatch it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Equipment-Corporation-DEC-PDP-lab8-e-Vintage-1970s-computer/15297190?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152665094101?ul_noapp=true
In good visual condition. Very expensive. Purposefully not powered up. I
used one of these in high school, so it has always had a special place in
my heart. But not a $34K place.
Hmmm, old computer collector. Are you the Mike Niswonger who used to work
for SEL (or was a SEL VAR) in the 1980s?
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mike Niswonger via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Sellam,
> Did this 11/73 ever find a home?
>
> -- Mike Niswonger
>
> On 05
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:06 PM, william degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Ebay item 272914490265
>
> This is a ModComp IIC I think. It's all broken up in parts and half
> assembled.
>
That's an incredibly bad set of pictures.
I can't tell if it is really disassembled or if th
https://www.ebay.com/itm/263005049078
EBay listing for a "Soviet Magnetic Ferrite Core Memory Board". It looks
like 20 something gigantic cores and a lot of diodes. I am guessing it is
some kind of ROM, but it doesn't look like a rope memory. And maybe the
cores are not cores at all, but some sort
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 2017-Dec-01, at 7:12 AM, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote:
>
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/263005049078
> >
> > EBay listing for a "Soviet Magnetic Ferrite Core Memory Boa
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> https://xkcd.com/1909/
>
> Our community isn't just about that, but it's part of what makes us tick.
>
Preserving knowledge is an ongoing problem and getting harder to solve.
Vint Cerf talks about it a lot.
It is close enough to me to rescue, but I really don't have the space to
store it.
Will anyone take it if I hold it a while?
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Would this system fit in a standard 19" wide equipment rack?
>
> =]
> --
> Anders
t; > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:34 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm about an hour drive away and somewhat
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 10:17 PM Charles Dickman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 8:50 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we
> > had exclusively for third year
On a related note, a fun talk about ARM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2045&v=_6sh097Dk5k
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:25:41 -0600
> jwest--- via cctalk wrote:
> ...
>
> > In addition, mostly as an exercise to see how to do it, I set up a
> > ClassicCMP discord server. That Discord server is NOT meant to
> > replace this list, nor should it be taken to signal any less
> > commitment on
Wow. That is gorgeous.
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:24 PM William Donzelli via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> How did you end up with that?
>
> Anyway, I forwarded your message to see if the Techworks! Binghamton
> Bunch wants it.
>
> --
> Will
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:35 PM Josh Ders
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 6:02 PM Jules Richardson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 4/15/20 6:22 PM, keith--- via cctalk wrote:
> > I have three others with the cover still on :) I want to make a clear
> > plexiglass cover for them.
>
> Just for fun, this is what I have from a Lockhe
Can you give us a clue as to the locale of those renaissance festivals.
That might prompt me to go.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 7:40 PM brianb1224 via cctech
wrote:
> There is a lady who collects them also plus the wooden blooms usually at
> the renaissance festivals. Sorry I forgot her name.Sent fr
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:36 PM William Donzelli via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > This is one of the things that disappointed me most about the Computer
> History Museum in Mountain View, CA. Sure you can’t let the public interact
> with *everything*, but since so much of computing s
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:01 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:50:20PM +0100, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
> [...]
> > Easy, pictures of unidentified components, sending out schematics that
> have
> > been reverse engineered, documentation, p
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:47 AM geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
> > ED SHARPE wrote:
> >> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics
> it
> >> is a brand new world !I love old hardware to look at but if
> >> communi
People are working on restoring comp.lang.forth and comp.lang.lisp
>From what I can gather, this was because of numerous defamation complaints.
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=%22comp.lang.lisp%22
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:55 PM Dave Wade via cctalk
wrote:
> Al
t, walk, setup a
> radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you
> happy.
>
> ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally
> sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:33 AM Tony Aiuto via cc
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Michael Brutman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I'm actively working on show planning for VCF PNW and I'm noticing that we
> have a few international travelers planning to attend and exhibit their
> machines/projects. I'd like to put together a FAQ fo
So sad. It is local pick up for me, but I have no place to store it.
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > Ah; the dual-wide plug-in connector sold
Interesting. Count me in for 20'. I would want to pick up at VCF east.
These people have taps, but no transceivers.
https://www.connectorpeople.com/Connector/TYCO-AMP-TE_CONNECTIVITY/2/228752-1
Has anyone found the right terminators?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:55 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk <
Hi. I almost forget about this.i amat vcf.today. did you ever get the cable
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018, 6:17 PM systems_glitch via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> It looks like there's probably enough interest for me to pick up a spool of
> the stuff. I haven't heard back from the eBay guy, but
I have two rare desktop telephones taking up space in my basement. I know I
never will play with or display them.
- Pingtel Xpressa PX-1. An early IP telephone
- ATT 8130 "Computer Phone". It has an RS-232 port in the back for
bi-directional comms. I reverse engineered the protocol when I used thi
Mine here. It includes some bits from my other museums at the facility
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO6j53IKGboKAmsUmAdDoj4ugeEGd1igUOgfRMtBpIqaibPJX2USBG0crSDeICWsQ?key=aFpMdFNxYlBUZTBjTldJajN6RDlHVmJtblRhUTBn
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 6:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 04:14, Tony Aiuto via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > Mine here. It includes some bits from my other museums at the facility
> >
>
Thanks! Seeing your wiring makes me realize what I was doing wrong with my
attempt.
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:16 PM Jay Jaeger via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The information on my Documation card reader interface have now been
> uploaded, and is available at:
>
>
> https://drive.go
Eric:
Thanks for starting this. I've been doing little updates to the SEL
wikipedia pages recently, but a dedicated site would be great. I used the
machines heavily from 1977-1995, most of the 32/X series, as well as the
NP1. AFAIK, I was the first person to get C++ (cfront) working under
UTX-3
h apparently. I also would really like to find more info on the
> ampex videofile.
>
> -Eric
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 21:02 Tony Aiuto wrote:
>
>> Eric:
>>
>> Thanks for starting this. I've been doing little updates to the SEL
>> wikipedia pages rec
t;
> -Eric
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 10:46 Tony Aiuto wrote:
>
>> I found some MPX -32 items this week. Rough scans here:
>>
>>
>> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOBnMkRJvzAsOCloK4NBQM9iDoROPk-QPXBANxNg2yjsJhWlEj9Z0TN50wYKgwJkA?key=YjNyYndsLXhKZ2VYTHM3
Every time I see discussions about terminal control sequences and Unix, I
can not help but be reminded
of Johnny Zweig's eloquent analysis, as quoted in The Unix Haters
Handboodk. https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf
Forcing programmers to be aware of how their programs talk to terminals
is m
Oh.. That brings back memories. We had a Votrax with a serial interface in
the computer room.
I configured it as a printer so I could yell into the room..
echo Hey Alan. Look at the console and change the tape to the one requested
| lpr -Pvotrax
On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 8:24 PM Robert Stek via cct
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:05 AM Jules Richardson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 12/1/20 7:28 PM, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote:
> > Oh.. That brings back memories. We had a Votrax with a serial interface
> in
> > the computer room.
> > I configured i
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 2:47 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Raymond Robinson via cctech <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > I go to my local shopping center.
> > The fish shop there, has the fish delivered in wh
FWIW, I have an MCS-8 User Manual I was about to give away.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPxTeFNI5YY-Ig_xZihpEyeaVjivCjDrU1_vmOa
If either of you want it, it's yours.
On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 11:48 AM Bill Degnan via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Although this may not be what you
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 4:55 AM Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Someone sent me these magtape images from Tymshare and said "they fell
> off the back of a truck on route 62 in Hudson, MASS." I don't know
> their provenance.
>
> Sorry, I don't have any good ho
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 1:37 PM Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> Tony Aiuto wrote:
> > that gets lots of files with names like 'dsk:[1,4]specdf525].mic'
> > That just seems wrong.
>
> Correct, back10 does get some things wrong. It also puts some data at
> the beginnin
On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:54 AM Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> Tony Aiuto wrote:
> >> What problem do you have with my tito tool?
> >
> > $ ./tito -x -f 169249.tape
> > fopen: Is a directory
>
> This appears to be because creating an output file was attempted, but
&
On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:48 PM Jim Carpenter
wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:07 PM Tony Aiuto via cctalk
> wrote:
> > I think that is an artifact of the files being created with the wrong
> names.
> > For example, with tape 169249, after you skip the UFDs, tito -t p
oghlan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Tony Aiuto wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:48 PM Jim Carpenter
> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:07 PM Tony Aiuto via cctalk
> >> wrote:
> >> > I think that is an artifact of the files being c
I sent a PR. https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/pdp10-its-disassembler/pull/71
>
Joshua: I have one of those too. They do make a great display piece. If you
collect any information off list, I would love to hear it.
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:20 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk <
> cctalk@cl
Nice. I have a lot of stuff I want to clean out of my basement.
Will you be requiring masks for all attendees? Not doing so is a
deal breaker for me.
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 6:50 PM Jeffrey Brace via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Announcing our second Annual Vintage Computer Federatio
t; cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 7:58 PM Tony Aiuto wrote:
> >
> > > Nice. I have a lot of stuff I want to clean out of my basement.
> > >
> > > Will you be requiring masks for all attendees? Not doing so is a
> > >
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 2:16 PM Ben Huntsman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Hello!
>Does anyone have any old documentation for ODE 2.1.1, or relatively
> close versions? I know "newer" versions have been released and have
> documentation available, but there are some changes in
It looks like I have the ODE source (with doc sources) for 2.3.4 and 2.3.6
2.3.4 is from 1997, 2.3.6 from 1998. Is that old enough for you?
IANAL, but the copyright doc looks good
Copyright (c), 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998
The Open Group Research Institute ("TOG RI"),
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 10:03 PM Richard Pope
wrote:
> Tony,
> What ever went wrong with my body 20 years ago when I came down
> with the flu damaged my metabolism. The extra heat load on my lungs and
> my core causes me to become sick in about 5 minutes. In 15 minutes I am
> unresponsive, i
I'm in the middle of imaging a set of 5 1/4" diskettes from 1988
containing the Interpress conformance test suite.
My plan is to
- convert the MS-DOS backup format images to files (trivial)
- find interpress to postscript converter to print the files.
- compare them to the reference pictures to ve
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 3:34 AM Curious Marc via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I’ll blame it on Kyle and Fritz, I could not resist…
>
> https://curiousmarcs-store.creator-spring.com/listing/VAXinated
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 17:50 Fritz Mueller via cctalk <
> cctalk@classic
Ed. When you type in all caps it looks like you've been owned. Can you tone
it down so we know it is real mail.
On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 6:54 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
>
> Looking to buy any of the IR. INTERNATIONAL RECTIFIER KITS WITH SOLAR
> RADIOS OR SOLAR RADIO EXIMERMENTS FOR SMECC
ctually use.
>
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 8:17 PM Tony Aiuto via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Ed. When you type in all caps it looks like you've been owned. Can you
>> tone
>> it down so we know it is real mail.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 4,
*I found more related goodies you can have for the shipping. You can reply
direct to me or on this thread.*
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:21 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 7/27/21 4:27 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> > This was a talk at a recent Chaos Computer Club congress:
> > https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-525180-what_have_we_lost#t=1707
> >
> > « We have ended up in a w
You are conflating the OS kernel with the developer A
On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 10:11 AM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 04:21, Tony Aiuto via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > I would argue that this is totally wrong. iOS,
>
> Whi
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:15 PM J. David Bryan via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 17:23, Alexandre Souza wrote:
>
> > Is any kind of standard, recomendation, group, mail list, to discuss
> > the subject?
>
> I am not aware of any. I started with Al Kossow's b
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:01 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with
> me.
>
Are you taking pictures of the inventory and posting them somewhere?
I used pmate in my early DOS years (1982-83) eventually switching back to
vi when it was available. That might have been the MKS (Mortice Kern
Systems) version.
I have a copy of pmate but its two or three files are tangled up on a disk
image with some unrelated .com files. When I can sort them out
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