[ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread M T
Dear BBers, I am trying to refine a structure using COOT and Refmac5 and I have some concerns about overrefinement and x-ray term weight in Refmac5, based on the fact that during refinement to let R factor to drift too far from Rfree is not good... So... First question about that : what is too fa

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You dont give the data resolution - that is very important.. I hate this rule bound approach to Rfree - R differences.. but as a guide No non-crystallographic symmetry. 1A data - you would expect them to be almost equal 3A data - I would expect a difference of at least 10% - once had the pleasure

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
Dear Eleanor, dear Michel (?), A while ago we statistically analysed the distribution of R, Rfree and of their difference as a function of the logarithm of resolution (Urzhumtsev et al., 2009, Acta Cryst, D65, 1283-1291). In this log-scale, the mode values for all three are nearly linear funct

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread 00000c2488af9525-dmarc-request
Well, as no one else has come back to you, I wouldn't say 10 % difference between R and R-free is 'bad' and it's certainly not super-bad! It's a bit high, but if you look at the papers by Ian Tickle from the late 90's and others I think you can be reasonably happy with it. I've been told that A N o

Re: [ccp4bb] [3dem] Which resolution?

2020-03-06 Thread James Holton
Thank you Kay, Very good points, as always.  I was thinking there must be a better apodization filter than cutoffs and B factors.  I'll have to try a CC1/2-based roll-off.  But, I wonder if this could be done better on a per-reflection basis?  Taking advantage of the sigmas?  I have tried usi

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Andrew Leslie
I would like to add a small caveat to Eleanor’s rule about a 3% difference being too low for a structure refined against 3Å data. If the 3Å data is for a structure that has already been solved at much higher resolution (e.g. 2Å) and the only difference for the 3Å dataset is a different ligand (

Re: [ccp4bb] [3dem] Which resolution?

2020-03-06 Thread Pavel Afonine
Randy Read's paper in latest Acta D: Measuring and using information gained by observing diffraction data http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2020/03/00/ba5308/index.html seems very relevant to this discussion! Pavel On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 8:44 AM James Holton wrote: > Thank you Kay, > > Very

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp
In addition to Sacha’s work there are a few older papers by Ian Tickle & Cie. (summarized in BMC) and a figure of the empirical distributions http://www.ruppweb.org/Garland/gallery/Ch12/pages/Biomolecular_Crystallography_Fig_12-24.htm which are broad and – as mentioned - the actual delta values

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
Thank you, Bernhard, for poining out this nice paper by Ian, one more that I missed previously. Best regards, Sacha Urzhumtsev - Le 6 Mar 20, à 19:15, Bernhard Rupp a écrit : > In addition to Sacha’s work there are a few older papers by Ian Tickle & Cie. > (summarized in BMC) and a fi

[ccp4bb] Running CCP4_Blend on Mac

2020-03-06 Thread Reddiravikumar Kumar
Hi all, I am trying to run Blend program from CCP4interface (7.0.078) to merge multiple datasets (9). I am running the CCP4 on Mac mojave 10.14.6 OS and installed R program in /usr/local/bin/R. In the CCP4 interface, the same path is added under system administration/configure interface/extern

Re: [ccp4bb] Running CCP4_Blend on Mac

2020-03-06 Thread David Waterman
Dear Ravi Kumar If I remember correctly, Blend requires the path to the executable Rscript rather than R. I can't check this now but I can look into it on Monday if you are still having trouble. Best wishes David On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, 21:02 Reddiravikumar Kumar, wrote: > Hi all, > > I am try