Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-14 Thread ccp4
I would run DM first to extend the experimental phases to the limit of your resolution.. Then if you run REFMAC to refine your MR model, using the experimental phases as part of the input the output phases from REFMAC will include contributions from both the MR and the DM/experimental phasing. Thi

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-13 Thread Jiamu Du
--- > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of > *David Veesler > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:21 PM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and > molecular replacement phase &g

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-13 Thread Soisson, Stephen M
CP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of David Veesler Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:21 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase Hi Jiamu, to complete the Juergen answer, that's true that the MR-SAD approach is very po

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-13 Thread Navraj S. Pannu
structure, and refined simultaneously, the phase information is combined naturally, without having to export part of the information through Hendrickson-Lattman coefficients.   I am very happy to see that phenix and phaser have adopted and are promoting using the SAD function. Although, I

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-13 Thread Randy Read
Hi, Most of the answers are interpreting your question as follows, that you have a single Se-SAD data set that goes to 3.3A but only has anomalous signal to 3.8A. Is that correct? If so, then there are various ways to combine the MR and SAD phase information. As you might imagine, we like th

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-13 Thread Santosh Panjikar
Dear Jiamu, Try out MRSAD protocol of Auto-Rickshaw (http://www.embl-hamburg.de/Auto-Rickshaw). You can start this just by providing your selenomet data, starting model, sequence information and space group on the Auto-Rickshaw server. It would do substructure determination based on your

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-12 Thread Fan, Hai-fu
Hi Jiamu, OASIS may help solving your problem. We have example on solving an originally unknown protein (1086 residue in the AU) at 3.3A resolution with Se-SAD data (redundancy=3.3). The process involved SAD-iteration and MR-iteration with OASIS. If you need help, we can discuss off list. Cheers

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-12 Thread Navraj S. Pannu
You can use Refmac to take your SAD information (F+ and F-), heavy atom and MR model directly and refine both your Se sites and your MR model simultaneously. This function in Refmac has been around for 'more years' and is what has been re-implemented in a mathematically equivalent form in Phas

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-12 Thread David Veesler
Hi Jiamu, to complete the Juergen answer, that's true that the MR-SAD approach is very powerful and can definitely help in your case. You can use Sharp and add the information from your partial molecular replacement solution encoded as HL coefficients and do a MR-SAD phasing. Here is the procedu

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Jiamu, this program can do it: http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/reciprocal_space_arrays.htm Let me know if you have questions and we can discuss it (off-list). Pavel. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Jiamu Du wrote: > Dear All, > I am now working on a low resolution phase determ

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-12 Thread Bosch, Juergen
http://www.globalphasing.com/sharp/ or you could extend your phases using DM if you have more than one molecule in the asu. I'm sure there is also a way to convince solve/resolve to do what you want. If you see enough in your map, just build a backbone model and use that to generate a crude mask

Re: [ccp4bb] how to combine the experimental phase and molecular replacement phase

2011-07-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Jiamu Du wrote: > I am now working on a low resolution phase determination (around 3.3 A with > Se anomalous signal around 3.8 A). > I can find the Se site and get the phase, but the density map is not so > good. > Some part of the protein (about 1/3) has a homolo