Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Jon Cooper
--- > > Da: Eleanor Dodson > Inviato: lunedì 4 gennaio 2021 15:43:03 > A: Napolitano Silvia > Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Oggetto: Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high > > Well - you dont give the resolution of your data or the "

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Paul Emsley
On 04/01/2021 14:38, Silvia Napolitano wrote: Dear CCP4 Community, I am currently working on the structure of a monomeric protein of 23KDa. The protein is generally quite "loopy" and I think I am mid-way refinement. At the moment I am struggling, among other things, with an extremely high B-fac

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
Dear Silvia, While high Bs can be a sign that parts of your model are incorrect (and therefore some careful manual rebuilding may be required), for things like poorly-ordered surface loops, they can simply be truth. A point worth remembering for newbies: your goal is to produce the model that

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Barone, Matthias
.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high Hmm - this is extracted from your log file: it looks more sensible.. 2899: b_iso_mean = 66.62 2907: b_iso_min= 63.50 (limit = 1.00) 2908: b_iso_max= 68.13 (limit = 80.00) 2909: b_iso_mean = 66.62 The average B

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
--- > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Eleanor > Dodson <176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 3:44:33 PM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high > > That polygon is no

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
Dear Eleanor, You are absolutely right. However, in Polygon, you could compare the models selected by resolution, by size, etc. I use this occasion to wish you and others a happy New Year ! Sacha Urzhumtsev - Le 4 Jan 21, à 15:44, Eleanor Dodson <176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscma

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Pedro Matias
*Da:* Eleanor Dodson *Inviato:* lunedì 4 gennaio 2021 15:43:03 *A:* Napolitano Silvia *Cc:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Oggetto:* Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high Well - you dont give the resolution of your data or the "wilson B" which will be recorded in the data processing log. If the res

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Barone, Matthias
iscmail.ac.uk> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 3:44:33 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high That polygon is not very useful I dont think. The statistics need to be given separately for structures solved at given resolutions. Eleanor On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 14:43

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
That polygon is not very useful I dont think. The statistics need to be given separately for structures solved at given resolutions. Eleanor On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 14:43, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Well - you dont give the resolution of your data or the "wilson B" which > will be recorded in the dat

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors very high

2021-01-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - you dont give the resolution of your data or the "wilson B" which will be recorded in the data processing log. If the resolution is 3A or less a) it is hard to refine a B value, and b) it certainly should be high.. So more information is needed. Eleanor On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 14:39, Silvia

Re: [ccp4bb] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution"

2017-03-07 Thread Keller, Jacob
metric. Perhaps I will do a little reading and talk to some experts around here. JPK From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Ian Tickle Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:27 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies

Re: [ccp4bb] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution"

2017-03-07 Thread Ian Tickle
> > Yong > > > > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *Ian > Tickle > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 9:02 AM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local > Resolut

Re: [ccp4bb] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution"

2017-03-07 Thread Yong Wang
Of Ian Tickle Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 9:02 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution" Hi Jacob I'm a bit puzzled that you say that what you call 'local resolution' is used 'to model disordered

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution"

2017-03-07 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Jacob I'm a bit puzzled that you say that what you call 'local resolution' is used 'to model disordered regions' in cryo-EM. AFAIK it does no such thing: resolution is certainly used as a _metric_ of the EM map quality but it's not used for modelling. High resolution EM maps (which I assume i

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution"

2017-03-06 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Monday, 06 March, 2017 19:54:23 Keller, Jacob wrote: > Dear Crystallographers (and cryo-EM practitioners,) > > I do not understand why there is a discrepancy between what crystallographers > use to models disordered regions (b-factors/occupancies) and what the cryo-EM > world uses ("local res

[ccp4bb] B-factors/Occupancies Versus "Local Resolution"

2017-03-06 Thread Keller, Jacob
Dear Crystallographers (and cryo-EM practitioners,) I do not understand why there is a discrepancy between what crystallographers use to models disordered regions (b-factors/occupancies) and what the cryo-EM world uses ("local resolution.") I am tempted to say that "local resolution" is a misno

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors

2013-01-24 Thread Robbie Joosten
ce of B-factor model. It will improve your data/parameter ratio. HTH, Robbie Netherlands Cancer Institute www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ethan Merritt Sent: 2013-01-25 01:36 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors

2013-01-24 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 03:52:12 pm Urmi Dhagat wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been refining twinned data (at 3.1 A resolution) using refmac. My R > and Rfree values are 19.6 and 26.2 respectively with NCS restraints and > isotropic B-factor refinement.. I am not sure weather it is a good id

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors

2013-01-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Urmi Dhagat wrote: > If Rfree reflections are refined my refmac upon switching from phenix to > refmac then does this contaminate the Rfree set ? Should swiching between > refinement programs Phenix and Refmac be avoided? Repeating what was said earlier today: i

[ccp4bb] B-factors

2013-01-24 Thread Urmi Dhagat
Hi all, I have been refining twinned data (at 3.1 A resolution) using refmac. My R and Rfree values are 19.6 and 26.2 respectively with NCS restraints and isotropic B-factor refinement.. I am not sure weather it is a good idea to refine individual B-factors at this resolution. I have also tr

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors, H/D exchange and protein flexibility

2007-11-13 Thread Jayashankar
Dear Brad, the flexibility, that is how far a protein is stabilized with cold and heat denaturation of a protein, this inturn depends on 1.solvation enthalpy of nonpolar moieties(need more energy,so there needs to be some randomness) 2.shift in temparature due to the enthalpy associated with tra

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors, H/D exchange and protein flexibility

2007-11-13 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 06:41, Brad Bennett wrote: > > I would be interested then to know how the community feels about the > correlation of B-factors to protein flexibility. It is generally accepted > that these are linked but are there any new papers that address this? This is the basis of

[ccp4bb] B-factors, H/D exchange and protein flexibility

2007-11-13 Thread Brad Bennett
Hello all: There are studies, some much older and some relatively new, by Kossiakoff, Karplus and others showing that B-factors of amide nitrogen atoms are not correlated to their hydrogen/deuterium exchange behavior. Along similar lines, I would be interested then to know how the community feels

Re: [ccp4bb] b-factors from refmac tls refinement vs cns mlf refinement

2007-06-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
These are B factors RELATIVE to your TLS parameters. You need to run tlsanl to get back to something comparable to the individual B factors.. Eleanor CRAIG MCELROY wrote: Hi all, I'm working on the structure of a heterodimer phased by molecular replacement using data to 2.9 angstroms. After

[ccp4bb] b-factors from refmac tls refinement vs cns mlf refinement

2007-06-13 Thread CRAIG MCELROY
Hi all, I'm working on the structure of a heterodimer phased by molecular replacement using data to 2.9 angstroms. After MR I performed a rigid body refinement in CNS, if I then refine using mlf in CNS I get B-factors ranging from ~37-119 and r= 0.26 free_r= 0.35 whereas if I perform a TLS rest

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors in Shelxl

2007-03-16 Thread Arti S. Pandey
Hey Elizabeth, To answer your second question first, I think if the atom name for water is "W", it is read as a density peak by shelxl. If you change "W" to "O", it will read it as water and refine it. I have some idea about your question about the B-factor. Arg and Met can often be seen in alterna

[ccp4bb] B-factors in Shelxl

2007-03-14 Thread Sabini, Elisabetta
Dear all, I am refining a perfectly twinned structure at 1.8 A using Shelxl.Currently the Rfactors/Rfree are 20/28%. I have a problem with the B-values that I get after refinement. Within the same residue I may get very low numbers or very high numbers as I show below: ATOM415 N ARG 1091