Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Dear Keitaro As far as I know different program behave differently. REFMAC by default replaces structure factors of the excluded reflections with their expected values (as a first approximation) that is equal to DFc, where D reflects errors in coordinates. It seems to be a balance between avoid

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Keitaro Yamashita
Dear all, I'm very interested in this topic. I have a question about the default behaviors in output reflection files of each refinement softwares. Are test set reflections excluded from the columns for calculating electron density maps? I found in phenix.refine documentation the option electron_

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hailiang, r-free reflections should not participate in refinement, regardless whether it is real or reciprocal space one, done with machine driven minimizers or your hands moving atoms in Coot. Period. The issue of correcting the map appearance for missing data (resolution or completeness) is rele

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Garib N Murshudov
It does not matter. By fitting manually you are doing manual minimisation. The same treatment is applied. You are trying to optimise fit of the model into the electron density. I did these tests few years back and results were as expected. Independent on minimisation tools (manual, automatic, pa

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Thanks Garib, but my task was not real space refinement (just manual model building/adjustment). Following is my previous post. Thanks! """I am not doing real space refinement. Actually I am only using the maps for manual model building/adjustments. In this case, if some Rfree reflections have st

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:17 PM, wrote: > Thanks Nat! I am not doing real space refinement. Actually I am only using > the maps for manual model building/adjustments. In this case, if some > Rfree reflections have strong scattering intensities, removing them may > lead to featureless density maps

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, May 23, 2011 01:17:45 pm Hailiang Zhang wrote: > Thanks Nat! I am not doing real space refinement. Actually I am only using > the maps for manual model building/adjustments. In this case, if some > Rfree reflections have strong scattering intensities, removing them may > lead to featurel

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Garib N Murshudov
It should be remembered that refining in real space is equivalent to refinement in the reciprocal space (through Parseval's theorem). If you want to do consistent refinement then you need to use exactly same reflections for free and working set. If you do not use the same set of reflections for

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Thanks Nat! I am not doing real space refinement. Actually I am only using the maps for manual model building/adjustments. In this case, if some Rfree reflections have strong scattering intensities, removing them may lead to featureless density maps. However, if we just leave them in, do you think

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Hailiang Zhang wrote: > I have a preliminary question. I understand Rfree reflection sets are > never used during automatic refinement, but, when generating the real > space density maps, do we have to exclude Rfree columns? Any references > will also be greatly a

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Hailiang Zhang
I meant :when generating the real space density maps, do we have to exclude Rfree reflections? > Hi, > > I have a preliminary question. I understand Rfree reflection sets are > never used during automatic refinement, but, when generating the real > space density maps, do we have to exclude Rfree c

[ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi, I have a preliminary question. I understand Rfree reflection sets are never used during automatic refinement, but, when generating the real space density maps, do we have to exclude Rfree columns? Any references will also be greatly appreciated! Best Regards, Hailiang

Re: [ccp4bb] MS sequencing of Fab

2011-05-23 Thread Sean Seaver
>do not diffract to sufficiently high resolution so as to allow us to read off >the sequence from the map). >Since we have access to a lot of pure protein, I wonder if some clever mass >spec jock would be able to assemble >enough overlapping sequenced fragments so >as to give complete coverage

Re: [ccp4bb] [COOT] Hardware Recommendation

2011-05-23 Thread David Schuller
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[ccp4bb] MS sequencing of Fab

2011-05-23 Thread Patrick Loll
We've crystallized a complex of an Fab bound to a protein. We have the hybridomas from which the Fab was prepared, but no protein sequence for the antibody. We're trying to plot the easiest course to get the sequence (since the crystals, alas, do not diffract to sufficiently high resolution so a

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal structure and NMR structure

2011-05-23 Thread Peter Rose
Here are a couple of resources that might be useful to characterize conformational changes between crystal and solution structures. 1. List of PDB structures solved by multiple methods (NMR, X-Ray, EM): http://www.pdb.org/pdb/statistics/clusterExpMethods.do 2. Structures can be com

Re: [ccp4bb] How to generate mask file represented by envelope function

2011-05-23 Thread Pete Meyer
You might want to look into the upsalla compressed mask format (it's an exact representation of a binary mask - compression is handled by just tracking the start and end points of the stretches). Pete Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi, As I understand, the general molecular mask generated by CCP4 (eg

[ccp4bb] Call for articles and short communications for Computational Crystallography Newsletter

2011-05-23 Thread Nigel Moriarty
Dear Colleagues I'm accepting short communications and articles of general interest to crystallographers working on macromolecular systems for the next issue of the Computational Crystallography Newsletter. You can see recent issues at http://www.phenix-online.org/newsletter/ as well as the word

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral Fellow Position is available in Structural Biology

2011-05-23 Thread Xiongying
*Postdoctoral Fellow Position in Macromolecular Structure Determination * A postdoctoral fellow position is available in the Taylor Structural Biology Lab in the Department of Pharmacology at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, OH. Our work focuses on the structure and function of ma

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-23 Thread Ian Tickle
Seema, I agree completely with Eleanor. You need to take a step back here. When you say that 'Rfree got stuck at 29-30' what makes you so sure that this isn't the correct Rfree? Who told you that there's a problem to be solved in the first place? If you look at our paper (Acta Cryst., 1998. D54

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I dont think there is an Rfree problem.. At 2.7A you expect quite a big difference between R and Rfree Reducing the resolution will a) probably makethe Rfree/R difference greater, and b) degrade the quality of your maps and model. Eleanor On 05/21/2011 02:28 AM, Seema Mittal wrote: Hi Ethan,

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal structure and NMR structure

2011-05-23 Thread Petr Leiman
No offense intended, but NMR is not a structure determination method. One _estimates_ what a structure _might_ look like if such and such "restrainoconstraints" applied. We always speak of how undetermined our crystallographic data are, how poor of an estimate is our R/R-free. Shall we even dis