Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Wednesday, 19 de March de 2008 16:30:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: >The Hurd project has been accepted as a mentoring organisation for href="http://code.google.com/soc/2008/";>Google Summer of Code >2008! We have a lot of good > href="http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/community/gsoc

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Wednesday, 19 de March de 2008 16:05:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > Hi, > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:23:26AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Well, when I said "influential people", I didn't necessarily mean those > who are doing most of the coding nowadays... Things are a bit more > co

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hello! On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:48:50AM +0100, I wrote: > Is there someone to write a short note to be installed as a news item on > ? On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 04:30:58PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:05:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhaus

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > Things pertaining to the GNU system (unionsfs bootup, a GNU package > manager/installer, etc.) could still be done via the GNU project's > GSOC. Sounds like an evil little plan to bargain for one slot more... ;-) Someone else

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:05:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > El Tuesday, 18 de March de 2008 15:14:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > escribió: > >The Hurd project has been accepted as a mentoring organisation > >for http://code.google.com/soc/2008/";>Google Summer of > >Code 2008

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:23:26AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > El Tuesday, 18 de March de 2008 15:46:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > escribió: > > Nice to hear that someone gets interested in the Hurd this way :-) > > How else do people come here? Well, there are many routes :-) I believ

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 03:14:53PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Something along the lines of this? > >The Hurd project has been accepted as a mentoring organisation for href="http://code.google.com/soc/2008/";>Google Summer of Code >2008! If you are a student and looking for a job

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:38:51AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If the Hurd gets at least one slot, you'll have contributed as much as > > anyone who regularly dives into code, because you'll have invited a > > new coder. > > Most likely we could have got one slot again through the GNU pro

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Tuesday, 18 de March de 2008 15:46:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > Hi, > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:26:30PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > El Sunday, 16 de March de 2008 20:55:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > escribió: > > > > When we had the HURD in my informatics class, one task was to

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hello, On 18/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also note that having both Debian releases *and* official Hurd releases, > we get more exposure... :-) > > > > It preserves the current status: "The Hurd doesn't do releases until > > it is mostly feature complete" while puttin

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Tuesday, 18 de March de 2008 15:14:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: >The Hurd project has been accepted as a mentoring organisation for href="http://code.google.com/soc/2008/";>Google Summer of Code >2008! If you are a student and looking for a job during the >summer, take a look a

Building the CDs (was Re: GSoC application deadline passed)

Scribit Philip Charles dies 19/03/2008 hora 12:51: > There is only one thing worse than my documentation, and that is my > code. Could you make both available? Curiously, Pierre -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP 0xD9D50D8A signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Wednesday 19 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But do we *want* to preserve that terrible state?... > > Sooner or later we will *have* to release -- and the longer we wait, > the stronger the pressure to come up with something ground breaking. It > get's worse and worse. We need to break

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Wednesday 19 March 2008, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Philip Charles > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | It takes me 30-50 hours to produce a set. The > | development over this time has been considerable, from one partialy > | filled CD (with dependency

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:48:50AM +0100, Thomas Schwinge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:03:30AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Oh, and yes: Amazingly, I actually managed to hand in my^H^Hour > > application before the deadline. What is to be done now is waiting to > > see whether I

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:26:30PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > El Sunday, 16 de March de 2008 20:55:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > escribió: > > > When we had the HURD in my informatics class, one task was to find > > > out information about the HURD, and as I searched for information > > >

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:13:01AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > It's just darn hard to write a somewhat funny mail while being really > annoyed, but not trying is worse, I think. > > And I think you good a great job at it. Thanks :-) > I think one reason, why the contribution wa

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi again, On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:37:04AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > El Sunday, 16 de March de 2008 18:44:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > escribió: > > (Oh, by the way, before you accuse me of arrogance: I consider my > > own person mostly useless myself.) > > The GSoC applications doesn't

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:52:17AM +0100, Thomas Schwinge wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:48:25AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It's just really bad luck, you absence at this very time... You are > > indeed the one hoped to get most help from. If I had known about this > > before, I

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Michal Suchanek, le Tue 18 Mar 2008 17:01:21 +0100, a écrit : > > > Plus keep all versions of packages on some "hurd-core" list until > > > somebody manually marks a newer version as verified working. > > > > > > It's not necessarily so simple, you need to check all the rdeps etc. > > But checki

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On 18/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michal Suchanek, le Tue 18 Mar 2008 13:15:27 +0100, a écrit : > > > > Debian doesn't wait for non-official architectures to catch up. > > > > They do delete Hurd packages when there are no new ones to replace > > them? > > > No, but the

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, --- On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | It takes me 30-50 hours to produce a set. The | development over this time has been considerable, from one partialy | filled CD (with dependency checking disabled) to K15 and its 17 images. \-- Is there any do

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Wednesday 19 March 2008, Michal Suchanek wrote: > On 18/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michal Suchanek, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 16:34:42 +0100, a écrit : > > > On 17/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Arne Babenhauserheide, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 12:26:3

Package installability and testing (was: Re: GSoC application deadline passed)

(CCing debian-hurd as this is really Debian-specific now) On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:15:27PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote: > On 18/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michal Suchanek, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 16:34:42 +0100, a écrit : > > > > > On 17/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Michal Suchanek, le Tue 18 Mar 2008 13:15:27 +0100, a écrit : > > Debian doesn't wait for non-official architectures to catch up. > > They do delete Hurd packages when there are no new ones to replace > them? No, but they do delete _all packages when there are new ones to replace them, even if th

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On 18/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michal Suchanek, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 16:34:42 +0100, a écrit : > > > On 17/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Arne Babenhauserheide, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 12:26:30 +0100, a écrit : > > > > > > > > As for automatically

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Michal Suchanek, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 16:34:42 +0100, a écrit : > On 17/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Arne Babenhauserheide, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 12:26:30 +0100, a écrit : > > > > > > As for automatically building live CDs and/or qemu images, this would be > > > > very useful

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On 17/03/2008, Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arne Babenhauserheide, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 12:26:30 +0100, a écrit : > > > > As for automatically building live CDs and/or qemu images, this would be > > > very useful -- maybe that part is indeed an appropriate task for GSoC. > > > But a

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hello! On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:48:25AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 06:20:10PM +0100, Thomas Schwinge wrote: > > First: I'm still alive! And even doing well! > > Good news ;-) Yes. :-) > It's just really bad luck, you absence at this very time... You are > ind

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hello! On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:03:30AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Oh, and yes: Amazingly, I actually managed to hand in my^H^Hour > application before the deadline. What is to be done now is waiting to > see whether I^Hwe get accepted. We've been. Olaf, congratulations!

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Arne Babenhauserheide, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 12:26:30 +0100, a écrit : > > As for automatically building live CDs and/or qemu images, this would be > > very useful -- maybe that part is indeed an appropriate task for GSoC. > > But as others pointed out, there are often issues with building a > > worki

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Sunday, 16 de March de 2008 20:55:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > > But there is something I direly miss in the HURD, and that doesn't > > have anything to do with its actual code, but with how it can be > > accessed and seen. > > > > When we had the HURD in my informatics class, one task was t

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Arne Babenhauserheide, le Mon 17 Mar 2008 10:37:56 +0100, a écrit : > > That said, we are doing much better with tracking bugs, but we could do > > even better I guess. This is maybe something people do not necessarily > > need a deep understanding of the codebase to help. > > Is the list of bugs

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Friday, 14 de March de 2008 16:23:34 Michael Banck escribió: > A developer blog (i.e. something which is shared by all the active > developers, and only has entries regarding current developments) might > be interesting (just commit messages aren't so much, because in a GNU > tradition, they usu

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Sunday, 16 de March de 2008 18:44:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > But maybe you are right. Maybe it was silly of me to assume that just > because certain people consider themselfs part of the community, claim > to care about the Hurd; because there is a chance to bring this project > forward at

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Sunday, 16 de March de 2008 11:51:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 02:49:22PM +, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > I found Olaf's mail was actually quite diplomatic, considering the > > very low help he got on this. > > Indeed :-) I tried to wrap my disappointment in a lot o

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 06:20:10PM +0100, Thomas Schwinge wrote: > First: I'm still alive! And even doing well! Good news ;-) > Sorry for my absence. I was really busy with preparing for my > university exams and real life and there really wasn't any quality > time left for doing GNU stuf

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 02:49:22PM +, Samuel Thibault wrote: > I found Olaf's mail was actually quite diplomatic, considering the > very low help he got on this. Indeed :-) I tried to wrap my disappointment in a lot of irony, hoping that it would stick, but not seem to bitter a reproach.

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:02:37PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 02:16:31PM +, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Actually, while reading the proposal, I thought "well, that mostly > > means advertising the K* CDs" > > Which is where I failed. I wrote up an announcement,

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:02:56AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > I'm sorry I didn't contribute. > > First of all I didn't think I could really help, since my knowledge of > HURD internals is limited to some surface stuff (that's what you learn > in informatics courses). I'm sorry

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:38:14AM -0600, Michael Heath wrote: > People had their reasons or lack of motivation for contributing or > participating. But motivation enough for complaining about my lovely little mail? :-) > A responsible person would (at least in the future) choose the logica

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 03:08:31PM +0100, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > Now to a real issue. While there's nothing wrong with the project as > such (in fact it's quite a good idea), I think most of the project is > more in the domain of distributions, e.g. Debian, rather then the Hurd > itsel

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hello! First: I'm still alive! And even doing well! Sorry for my absence. I was really busy with preparing for my university exams and real life and there really wasn't any quality time left for doing GNU stuff, IRC, etc. Good for me, bad (perhaps?) for you people. But I'm sure that you do und

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Forgot to reply to this part. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 03:58:33PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > El Friday, 14 de March de 2008 15:08:31 Carl Fredrik Hammar escribió: > > Now to a real issue. While there's nothing wrong with the project as > > such (in fact it's quite a good idea), I think

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 03:58:33PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > * Setup a blog and write your commit messages in there. If there is a git (or > mercurial) repository, also add a link to its web frontend on the website. > People must see, that the Hurd is active. A developer blog (i.e.

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 02:16:31PM +, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 14 Mar 2008 15:08:31 +0100, a écrit : > > Now to a real issue. While there's nothing wrong with the project as > > such (in fact it's quite a good idea), I think most of the project is > > more in the do

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

El Friday, 14 de March de 2008 15:08:31 Carl Fredrik Hammar escribió: > Indeed, under exposure is a problem. Hopefully, GSoC will give us > some. I think exposure is also to a part a general structure problem, but one which shouldn't be that hard to solve. I see many posts on this list, but th

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi, > You can access the git back-end directly. Unfortunately there ae no > instructions on how to access it on the wiki (or anywhere else it > seems). I'll try to fix it once I figure it out myself. :-) Oh wait! Instructions are here: http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/contributing/wiki/index.htm

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 14 Mar 2008 15:08:31 +0100, a écrit : > Now to a real issue. While there's nothing wrong with the project as > such (in fact it's quite a good idea), I think most of the project is > more in the domain of distributions, e.g. Debian, rather then the Hurd > itself. Actua

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hello Arne! > But there is something I direly miss in the HURD, and that doesn't have > anything to do with its actual code, but with how it can be accessed and > seen. > > When we had the HURD in my informatics class, one task was to find out > information about the HURD, and as I searched fo

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Hi Olaf, I'm sorry I didn't contribute. First of all I didn't think I could really help, since my knowledge of HURD internals is limited to some surface stuff (that's what you learn in informatics courses). But there is something I direly miss in the HURD, and that doesn't have anything t

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Michael Heath, le Thu 13 Mar 2008 08:38:14 -0600, wrote things Wow, _that_ was rude. I found Olaf's mail was actually quite diplomatic, considering the very low help he got on this. Yes, there are reasons for not having the time to contribute, etc. but I think Olaf already knows that and was jus

Re: GSoC application deadline passed

Please stop. People had their reasons or lack of motivation for contributing or participating. A responsible person would (at least in the future) choose the logical route of trying to change these reasons or properly motivate people to contribute. You, apparently, chose the other option of trying