AFAIK (maybe luks can correct me here if i'm wrong) gracenote doesn't
even use the discIDs that MB uses.
they use patteneted fuzzy methods that allow "discids" that differ
slightly to point to the same data set. so in a way, yes.. they do
have all "homebrew" IDs if not most.
as to my understanding
I'm a little out of the loop.. is MB hurting on disk space?
removing DiscIDs is preventing people from using MBs data and forcing
them to use gracenote or other such services.
you say "concept of burning downloaded music is in itself old fashioned"
i say..to quote The Dude 'that's like.. your opi
> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:30:07 +0100
> From: Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [mb-style] albums and single with the same title
> To: MusicBrainz style discussion
>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:59:33AM
range music in their libraries by tags, not by
> directory. So he wants a way to get the (single) mention in the mp3
> tags, not necessarily in our database.
>
> On 5/4/06, Lars Aronsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>> > Steve Wyles wrote:
&g
Steve Wyles wrote:
> On Thu, 4 May 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> Steve Wyles wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 May 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Wyles wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 May 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>>>>>
&g
Steve Wyles wrote:
> On Wed, 3 May 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> Steve Wyles wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 May 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>>>
>>>> i think we need a way to differentiate singles form albums with the
>>>> same
>>>> name.
Steve Wyles wrote:
> On Wed, 3 May 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> i think we need a way to differentiate singles form albums with the same
>> name.
>> For example Morphine has an album titled "Cure for Pain" they also have
>> a single "Cure for Pain&q
i think we need a way to differentiate singles form albums with the same
name.
For example Morphine has an album titled "Cure for Pain" they also have
a single "Cure for Pain" as well.
I have both ripped and tagged but they end up in the same folder. Also
if i physically move one of them to another
Simon Reinhardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have some questions about linking philosophy which I think need to be
> generally clearified because if every moderator follows their own
> concepts then we don't have consistent data.
>
> 1. Link performers to releases:
> a) always, including members of bands
i am all for some kind of selective album attributes restructuring!
to me this has been a long time coming and should be addressed. it's
something that I've had trouble with very early on.
does anyone know the status of any proposals that touch on this subject?
Any way to get that whole thing going
Peter Adams wrote:
> On Monday 03 April 2006 15:57, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> actually adding (live) to every single track on a live album is "more
>> complicated" not to mention redundant.
>
> Why "more complicated"? Who are you quoting there?
ha
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has deciding which language to use for a bootleg release become much of
an issue on MB yet?
i know that i previously said that the information should be the same as
on the ticket of the event.. but now I'm starting to feel that we
shouldn't have a guid
great email
Nikki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I
> noticed that the untitled bootleg style [2] doesn't really consist of much
> and live bootleg style [3] still doesn't expand the location very much. A
> general style appears to have emer
same.
Nikki wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 08:26:44PM +0200, Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
>> I want to do a few trivial changes to AR type phrases, but I'd like to
>> check here if nobody disagrees.
>
> I agree, ASIN in lower case has been bugging me for a while!
>
> --Nikki
> ___
whats wrong with "background vocal" and what is the purpose of a change
to "backing"?
were all instances of "background vocal" in wikis and documentation
changed to reflect that change?
it should stay as "background vocal" unless its discussed and agreed to
change.
If everyone else on MB has to go
; The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
> Cornelius Tacitus
>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Brian Gurtler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:09 PM
>> To: Cristov Russell
>> Cc: 'MusicBrainz
searching for Lance Bass.. "no results match your request"
Cristov Russell wrote:
>> i'm all for this AR type.
>> it's fairly easy to tell which myspace band pages are
>> official and which are not... this is where voting will come
>> in no? if someone think it's not official than they can vote
nnecessary maintenance of dead links.
Also the proposal says "Try to find the most active, or preferred page
supported by someone involved with the artist or group." which to me
reads official or officially sanctioned.
no ones going to laugh at you for pointing a URL to a bands offici
why should it not be official?
if you want to link to a fan site, use the fan site AR, no? :)
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
> 2006/4/15, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> i'm all for this AR type.
>> it's fairly easy to tell which myspace band pages are official
i'm all for this AR type.
it's fairly easy to tell which myspace band pages are official and which
are not... this is where voting will come in no? if someone think it's
not official than they can vote "no".
Cristov Russell wrote:
>> Beth wrote:
>>> With MySpace's growing popularity. There are so
Chris Bransden wrote:
> On 04/04/06, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> what about an option to give live releases 2 titles?
>> one with the live/bootleg style and one with any possible DVD title or
>> even bootleg title? be able to select one of the two when
of DVD release status as a whole. Yes, it'll still have to be
> decided for the case when people want to add information about a rip
> where the actual chapters do not directly line up with the official
> tracklist. For the cases where people just want to add the official
> trac
he determinate of what is Official or
> Bootleg.
>
> Cristov (wolfsong)
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> From: Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: MusicBrainz style discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto
Beth wrote:
> My thoughts...
>
> Q1. Which DVDs to add?
> A1. All DVD musical rips.
> Arguments: it was argued MB was a music database. Music
> DVD's are based on music and bands. That in itself seems to be a good reason
> to add them. If MB is supposed to be an archive of band's music at
actually adding (live) to every single track on a live album is "more
complicated" not to mention redundant.
Björn Krombholz wrote:
> On 4/3/06, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "trackname (live)" should not appear on any track on any live album.
>
i misread i guess. sorry.
Chris Bransden wrote:
> i wasn't talking about live albums :)
>
> On 03/04/06, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "trackname (live)" should not appear on any track on any live album.
>> the album that the track resides
"trackname (live)" should not appear on any track on any live album.
the album that the track resides on tells us that it's live.
Chris Bransden wrote:
> both, IMO. i don't want a non-album track with 'TrackName (live)' as
> the title. but then, we also say that tracknames should be 'TrackName
>
i'd rather "(live) (acoustic)" be "(live acoustic)"
perhaps this could be a special case of a "track version"?
Nikki wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 12:37:39PM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote:
>> I've made some tiny changes to LiveTrackStyle (
>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/LiveTrackStyle ) and belie
I'm not against a style to be used for naming live tracks.
with this proposition, I'd like to see clarification on when to use
these 10 proposed certain styles as well as exactly which parts of the
proposal apply to non-album tracks only
any of those ten examples would be okay to use?
are cities op
you have something to say. This is certainly nothing of
> interest, and documents why you are facing unwillingness if you request
> something.
>
> g0llum
>
>> Behalf Of Brian Gurtler
>> Sent: Dienstag, 28. März 2006
looks whose whining now..
Robert Kaye wrote:
>
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 4:39 PM, Jan van Thiel wrote:
>> I think that if e.g. inhouseuk (sorry to (ab)use your name, just
>> giving an example), a moderator with a spotless record, had requested
>> these, they would've been added almost instantaneously
incessant whining?
and you call Me confrontational..
Robert Kaye wrote:
>
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Don Redman wrote:
>> Well, then I'd say we should add this now and let Brian add the
>> appropriate Relationships.
>>
>> I mean if we finally have a rule, we should use it :-)
>
> Yes, but...
yes it's true.
i am not making this stuff up. :)
i have been in the process of trying to compile a full list of times
that Jon Fishman alone has used the vacuum as an instrument out of all
Phish live bootleg recordings. Phish also offer hundreds of official
recordings (actual CDs as well as downloa
lly make it to the main server, too, OK :-)
>
> BTW what is it instrument/other or instrument/wind/other?
>
> DonRedman
Don Redman wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:37:02 +0100, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> at least one album and a ton of live shows
>> it's al
As far as i know the position of "Instrument Secretary" is not held by
anyone (including DonRedman) and is still open and available.
i didn't call anyone specifically spineless. So I don't see that as
confrontational. I'm saying in jest, give the position to someone who
will flip-flop and not beca
I've been waiting over 3 months for an instrument to be added to MB and
jumped through way too many bullshit hoops to get to where we are now.
i'm just looking for it to be added without any further hoops like i was
told by Redman that it would be once Mos thingy went live. It's been
live for over
> conflict and your confrontational style would not make you a good link
> editor -- in my opinion.
>
> I'm sorry.
>
> On Mar 6, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> i have interest in this "Instrument Secretary" thing.
>>
>> Robert Kaye w
at least one album and a ton of live shows
it's already been established that it will be added as per Redman
i'm tired of requesting it.
just add the vacuum like our "minister" said he would.
Robert Kaye wrote:
>
> On Mar 22, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Brian Gurtler wrote
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agreed!
i have had similar problems before and it's quite annoying and ballsy.
In fact I wouldn't mind if this type of action resulted in temporary
loss of privileges. automoderators != all knowing
Marco Sola wrote:
>
> 2) Also IMHO, approving modera
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> -
>
> 2) Also IMHO, approving moderation with pending Nos should be a)
> disabled b) anyway avoided by any automod.
>
agreed!
i have had similar problems before and it's quite annoying and ballsy.
In fact I wouldn't mind if
e
> can get this for Breezy.
>
> Probably it won't go into Dapper due to UVF either, so this may be a
> Dapper+1 backports to Breezy/Dapper.
>
> On 3/23/06, *Brian Gurtler* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> http://www.bittorn
se contact one of these two
> (Debian maintainer, Ubuntu MOTU) about pulling in a new package, then we
> can get this for Breezy.
>
> Probably it won't go into Dapper due to UVF either, so this may be a
> Dapper+1 backports to Breezy/Dapper.
>
> On 3/23/06, *Brian Gurtl
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trackers i use regularly started banning any earlier versions
i do not believe that it is using any new libraries that the version in
breezy isn't already using
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now can we have our vacuum cleaner?
Don Redman wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:07:46 +0100, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> i still don't believe that UI related issues are a good enough reason to
>> exclude instruments.
>
> No indeed they are not.
why does it even have to be a sentence? they're too long :P
personally I'd like to see something more like this in the relationship
box of the artist.
[instrument] for [artist] - [start date]-[end date]
electric bass guitar for The Toy Dolls - 1985-1989
or something to that effect.
you won't even
i have interest in this "Instrument Secretary" thing.
Robert Kaye wrote:
>
> On Mar 3, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Don Redman wrote:
>> No not a single Instrument, but I think that Mo's wholly new instrment
>> tree does need testing. For example it might need some "other" leaves,
>> but this is difficult t
Don Redman wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:38:11 +0100, derGraph wrote:
>
>> I've found a nice definition of musical instruments on
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument:
>>
>>> Musical instruments are devices designed to produce music [...]
>>
>> Maybe we could use this definition to not end
how are they credited on the album?
were they played live or sampled and dubbed?
i've heard of Stomp
Unless theres a credit to each garbage can lid, PVC pipe, etc.. those
instruments would be Percussion.
derGraph wrote:
>
>> do you actually have albums with book, coffee mug, matchbox being
>> "
no.
do you actually have albums with book, coffee mug, matchbox being
"played"? or are you trying to prevent "random objects" from being added?
derGraph wrote:
> I've found a nice definition of musical instruments on
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument:
>
>> Musical instruments are devic
Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
> We can. Added.
>
thanks!
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on the original album/track page, it should probably read "albumtitle
covered by coverartist" which shows both that the album/track was
covered, and by whom in one line.
-b.
azertus wrote:
> Don Redman schreef:
>> The link phrase sounds weirt to my (nonnative) ears: "Natty Dread is
>> covered by N
I'm still confused as to why are we putting DVDs into MB? MB has no way
of providing information to DVD players does it?
like i said my opinion is if it's a DVD of a concert or performance, it
doesn't belong in MB unless it's added as a bootleg. the word DVD won't
even be an issue as the title woul
"cover of" should be an option and should go under the existing sub
group "covers or other versions"
Charlie Hunter Quartet - Natty Dread [1] _is a cover of_
Bob Marley - Natty Dread [2]
I've opened a ticket for this at
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1097
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Cov
Björn Krombholz wrote:
> On 3/2/06, Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>On 3/2/06, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>More "votes" on this, please!
>>
>>I haven't replied to this thread so far, because I thought it was a
>>trivial question. Guess not.
>
>
> Me neither, beca
getting this type of data added
to MB in order to create those relationships.
Simon Reinhardt wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> I've entered this into trac a while ago (12/13/05) and now it's in MB
>> limbo
>> http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/63
>>
Don Redman wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:07:46 +0100, Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
> BTW what is it instrument/other or instrument/wind/other?
>
>
either one i suppose.
this question shouldn't exist
there are way too many categories
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well why not remove all instruments that are currently not used-
orphaned instruments? than set up a way to add instruments to be used in
relationships. the database will build itself as they are needed.
and in a perfect world should be quick and not stop the progress of
entering the relationship i
Matthew Exon wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Agreed. If the list gets unmanageable,
>
>
> It's unmanageable *now*, is my point. Turn off JavaScript. I mean that
> entirely seriously. Please, right now, turn off JavaScript in your
> browser, and keep it like that for the next month.
Matthew Exon wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a good reason to not add an instrument that an artist
>> plays?
>
>
> Yes. The more instruments get added, the longer the list of instruments
> gets, and the harder the drop-down list is to use
I've entered this into trac a while ago (12/13/05) and now it's in MB limbo
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/63
anyhow.. not to get too far ahead of myself, i don't see any reason to
be bashful with what instruments can be added into MB. Slowing down the
addition of instruments slows down t
Alexander Dupuy wrote:
> The logic of the "classical manner" as you call it, but more accurately
> would be "composer preference" for soundtracks was and is to avoid VA
> albums where possible.
>
this isn't a various artist album it's a Greg Edmonson album with a
track by Sonny Rhodes
with recent
Alexander Dupuy wrote:
> I wrote:
>
>> In your particular case, since Joss Whedon is the composer of the
>> track in question, it makes more sense to consider it part of the
>> score, and to leave Joss Whedon as the primary artist. It is entirely
>> appropriate to add AR relationships to the trac
what is the EXACT processes someone should follow for getting
instruments added to MB live in a timely manner?
and by timely manner i mean less than months or weeks.
Don?
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[2] http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4293615
Brian Gurtler wrote:
> regarding http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SoundtrackStyle
> why should non-classical tracks on a soundtrack be forced into following
> the classi
so uh..
how do we go about proposing changes and getting things done again?
it changes so often that i can't keep up.
I'd like to see the ClassicalStyleGuide changed as well as part of
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SoundtrackStyle that relate to Classical styles
see discussion at
http://lists.music
regarding http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SoundtrackStyle
why should non-classical tracks on a soundtrack be forced into following
the classical music tracks artist? why does it matter if it's
_pre-existing_ non-classical or _brand new_ non-classical?
non-classical is non-classical is non-classical..
Orion wrote:
Basically what I'm
> wondering is at what point does a bootleg establish a high enough level
> of existance to warrant inclusion?
maybe once a source is established within db.etree.org?
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Orion wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>>> Which isn't a very helpful definition of bootleg. What is it about it
>>> that makes it a bootleg even though it's an officially released DVD?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've already explained th
Orion wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> which is basicly making a bootleg audio CD out of a DVD. Same as if you
>> were to record the audio from a television performance on the late show
>> with David Letterman.
>> If it were an official release, you would have
mud crow wrote:
> I think you are all looking at this from the wrong angle.
> If I own a DVD I can simply type the track details into MB, no need to
> rip anything or copy anything, exactly as I do with vinyl or tape. Or I
> could enter more precise data and rip the dvd and add times to the
> trac
Orion wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> no, it would not leave the entire database as bootleg. it would make the
>> live concert DVD rips bootlegs where the source is the DVD (aka DSBD as
>> far as live recording sources are labled outside of MB).
>> Please expan
Cristov Russell wrote:
Jan van Thiel wrote:
>>
> > Another question is: what DVDs do we allow to be added?
>>
Audio DVD for
>>
>>certain, but what about video DVD rips and the like?
>>
>>--
>>Jan van Thiel
>>
>>
live DVD rips (IMO) should be added as
live DVD rips (IMO) should be added as live/bootleg and follow the
live/bootleg naming scheme.
-b.
Jan van Thiel wrote:
> Another question is: what DVDs do we allow to be added? Audio DVD for
> certain, but what about video DVD rips and the like?
>
> --
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ink if we try to recognise every single relationship one entity
> can have with another, without having some kind of free text entry
> system for bespoke non-musical/rare relationships, then the system
> becomes less useful for the common stuff.
>
> On 30/01/06, Brian Gurtler <[
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i'd rather just see the particular AR disapear and put the information
in an anotation on the artists page.
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ok, so now what?
what exactly is the issue and how can it be fixed?
how should I go about getting the latest version of rythmbox now?
John Dong wrote:
> not gonna build, the way it looks.
>
> On 1/19/06, *Brian Gurtler* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
what is the status of this?
John Dong wrote:
> looks like a new dbus dep is blocking Rhythmbox...
>
> On 1/3/06, *Brian Puccio* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 09:00 -0500, Brian Gurtler wrote:
> > how
a track where the artist is credited with "vocals" on the album.
a track when the artist isn't singing lead vocals or background vocal.
a track where it is not know if the vocals they contribute are lead or
background.
sorry i don't have a specific track example on hand, i don't remember
which trac
perfect.
that is a beautiful thing.
Lukas Lalinsky wrote:
> Lukas Lalinsky wrote:
> > I've already changed it on the test server. Here is an example:
> > http://musicbrainz.org/track/379c1695-e938-4cac-aaf0-56b49755fbad.html
>
> Whoops, correct link is:
> http://test.musicbrainz.org/track/379c169
how long until this hits the repository?
James Troup wrote:
>John Dong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>
>>rhythmbox is approved for backporting from Dapper to Breezy. It, however,
>>needs source package libgpod's debs in order to build and install. Since
>>this is a new library in Dapper, it's
Reinhard Tartler wrote:
>On 12/27/05, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>is this available now?
>>I'm not seeing it in synaptic and I've reloaded several times.
>>I just want to make sure i haven't done something incorrectly
>>
is this available now?
I'm not seeing it in synaptic and I've reloaded several times.
I just want to make sure i haven't done something incorrectly
James Troup wrote:
>John Dong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>
>>rhythmbox is approved for backporting from Dapper to Breezy. It, however,
>>needs
there doesn't seem to be password recovery in trac unless an email is
set after creating an account... which seems easy to miss.
is there a way to set it up so that it asks for an email address while
registering?
-b.
Robert Kaye wrote:
> [ Cross posted to mb-style FYI -- please respond to via the
is there and Ubuntu bit torrent tracker you could use to distribute it?
Chris Peterman wrote:
>Bingo :P
>
>Actually I posted my results on the VLC package on the Backports Forum
>and suddenly got swamped for requests that I couldn't handle due to my
>lack of webspace. I sent a few out via email,
can this be added to backports?
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could someone please backport Rythmbox 0.9.0 for hoary?
thanks
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WFM.
burnt an audio CD from FLAC files and it is fine.
thanks. have been waiting for this package for a while.
John Dong wrote:
> Alright, built and in Mirrormax hoary-backports-staging. Please test
and report back (looks functional from my end burning a simple CD-RW)
>
> On 9/29/05, *John Dong*
noted.
thanks.
Martin Meredith wrote:
>Please see my comment attached to the bug
>
>Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>
>>I've reported the bug to xscreensaver and they said that it's a
>>backports issue
>>http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13299
>&g
can't be solved via the
> Backports team. If it really bothers you, file a bug against either
> electricsheep or xscreensaver in Ubuntu's Bugzilla.
>
>
> On 9/9/05, *Brian Gurtler* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> could someo
ectricsheep or xscreensaver in Ubuntu's Bugzilla.
>
>
> On 9/9/05, *Brian Gurtler* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> could someone do a backport of this?
> the version currently in backports [2.6.2] hasn'
could someone do a backport of this?
the version currently in backports [2.6.2] hasn't ever worked do to some
kind of error..
Unpacking electricsheep (from
.../electricsheep_2.6.2-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/electricsheep_2.6.2-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb (--unp
i would love to see this as well.
there have been many requests for this on the Ubuntu forums.
Miguel P.C. wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I'm wondering if it could be possible to add GnomeBaker 0.4.2 to de
> ubuntu-backports.
>
> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/
>
> Right now the avaliable version from un
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